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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70080 Mar 25, 2014
Moses is not fit to tie the shoelaces of Jesus and Jesus is not fit to tie the shoelaces of the Buddha.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70081 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
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Except gays.

You, like Huggy, are homophobic and don't support equal rights.

The right to adopt and raise children for example.

You hold antiquated positions on many issues.

You're a knuckle dragger. And a latent homo. Or active. I don't care.
Hi ex-nurse/property salesman.

Ooof, what a menial worker this brainless fool is.

LOL.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70082 Mar 25, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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There you go again
Hi Fanatical Papa,

Preserve the little intelligence that you have.

I'm going out to the 4 Seasons to chill.

Don't worry your loved one, Hugh, will soon come online.

I know both of you can't live without each other.

(winks)

Bye.

Adam 36

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#70083 Mar 25, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Adam,
You've got the intelligence of a 5 year old kid.
You've understood nothing about nondualism.
Nondualism is not the absurd echad of dualistic thinking.
I'll reply later.
Nothing in your port indicates you have the intelligence of anything above a 1 year old.

Either respond or continue being childish.

Adam 36

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#70084 Mar 25, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Moses is not fit to tie the shoelaces of Jesus and Jesus is not fit to tie the shoelaces of the Buddha.
I doubt Buddha or Jesus had shoelaces
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70085 Mar 25, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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If you look at Crimean history, there were population transfers (Tartars out, Russians in). Not that dissimilar to the history of the West Bank (Arabs out, Jews in)- except in terms of time scale (Over a longer time scale: Jews out, Arabs in, Jews in, Arabs out).
Was that a no?

I've read 58% of Crimeans consider themselves Russian and are very happy to be annexed.
Frijoles wrote:
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Regarding the West bank, I am not sure a 2 state solution is even viable. Most Jews/Israelis at this point are weary at the intransigence of the Palestinians to even recognize Israel proper as a Jewish state, and understand that no peace can come under those circumstance. So the status quo politically would be to continue settling the West Bank. The pundits on the other hand, tend to be ungrounded.
I always say that about those who don't agree with me!

I don't know much about any of this.

/67 borders with land swaps sounds good -
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70086 Mar 25, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Hi ex-nurse/property salesman.
Ooof, what a menial worker this brainless fool is.
LOL.
Donald Trump is a property salesman.

I wouldn't mind owning a private jet.

Sorry you are a self-loathing gay person.

That means you will never experience the joy of marching in a gay rights parade where you can strut your stuff and show off your designer clothes and natural good looks.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70087 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
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Was that a no?
I've read 58% of Crimeans consider themselves Russian and are very happy to be annexed.
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I always say that about those who don't agree with me!
I don't know much about any of this.
/67 borders with land swaps sounds good -
I think the WB is something like 20% Jewish, and 80% Arab. But like I said, this is a snapshot in time. Would Crimea be 58% Russian in 1942? Sure, its 58% Russian NOW, but that is just because they got rid their Tatars over the years. Why does Carter give a free pass to Russia but not to Israel?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatar_di...
"....The Crimean Tatar diaspora dates back to the annexation of Crimea by Russia in 1783, after which Crimean Tatars emigrated in a series of waves spanning the period from 1783 to 1917. The diaspora was largely the result of the destruction of their social and economic life as a consequence of integration into the Russian Empire.

The Soviet Union brought about the final dispersal of Crimean Tatars in 1944, in the midst of the World War II, when it deported all Tatars remaining in the Crimea to Central Asia. This population is considered an exiled community rather than a diaspora..."

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70088 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
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I don't know much about any of this.
/67 borders with land swaps sounds good -
Arab League summit opens with row over Palestinian support

Summit draft resolution 'categorically' refuses to recognize Israel as Jewish state, rejects all pressure on Palestinian leadership' to accept demand.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-450...

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70089 Mar 25, 2014
http://www.salon.com/2014/03/25/calling_the_c...

Atheists have their number: How the Christian right is hastening religion’s decline

Research suggests Americans raised in Christian households are increasingly shunning the faith of their parents
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70090 Mar 25, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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I think the WB is something like 20% Jewish, and 80% Arab. But like I said, this is a snapshot in time. Would Crimea be 58% Russian in 1942? Sure, its 58% Russian NOW, but that is just because they got rid their Tatars over the years. Why does Carter give a free pass to Russia but not to Israel?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatar_di...
"....The Crimean Tatar diaspora dates back to the annexation of Crimea by Russia in 1783, after which Crimean Tatars emigrated in a series of waves spanning the period from 1783 to 1917. The diaspora was largely the result of the destruction of their social and economic life as a consequence of integration into the Russian Empire.
The Soviet Union brought about the final dispersal of Crimean Tatars in 1944, in the midst of the World War II, when it deported all Tatars remaining in the Crimea to Central Asia. This population is considered an exiled community rather than a diaspora..."
Doesn't look like a comparable situation.

They would vote to be annexed; the WB would not. So it's mutual. We aren't talking about 1942, we're talking now

If you really want to go back to 1942 - guess what that means for Israel itself?

Truman admitted his recognition was mostly political for his future re-election.

Russia is landlocked 2/3 of the year. They want that warm water port. Who's going to say they can't have it?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70091 Mar 25, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Arab League summit opens with row over Palestinian support
Summit draft resolution 'categorically' refuses to recognize Israel as Jewish state, rejects all pressure on Palestinian leadership' to accept demand.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-450...
Marshall predicted war if Truman recognized and I think it happened the next day.

Don't know the answer or the solution. Not sure if anyone does.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#70092 Mar 25, 2014
The first major action was the joint intervention, allegedly on behalf of the majority Arab population that was being uprooted as the State of Israel emerged in 1948 (and in response to popular outcry in the Arab world), although in fact a main participant in this intervention, Transjordan, had agreed with the Israelis to divide up the Arab Palestinian state proposed by the UN General Assembly...

At the Beirut Summit on 28 March 2002, the league adopted the Arab Peace Initiative,[24] a Saudi-inspired peace plan for the Arab–Israeli conflict. The initiative offered full normalization of the relations with Israel. In exchange, Israel was required to withdraw from all occupied territories, including the Golan Heights, to recognize Palestinian independence in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with East Jerusalem as its capital, as well as a "just solution" for the Palestinian refugees. The Peace Initiative was again endorsed at 2007 in the Riyadh Summit. In July 2007, the Arab League sent a mission, consisting of the Jordanian and Egyptian foreign ministers, to Israel to promote the initiative

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_League#Fore...

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70093 Mar 25, 2014
Adam 36 wrote:
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I doubt Buddha or Jesus had shoelaces
The meaning is clear.

Well, put in another way, Moses is unfit to sit at the feet of Jesus and Jesus is unfit to sit at the feet of the Buddha.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70094 Mar 25, 2014
It's too noisy in here. I am enjoying myself.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70095 Mar 25, 2014
ATHEISM WILL FAIL IN THE LONGER RUN

Atheism is on the rise, in particular in the West, since it's very easy to show that it's illogical to believe in an extra-cosmic Judeo-Christian deity (HaShem) who creates from nothing and who in spite of not having a causal link with his cosmos yet somehow manages to rule over it.

Besides, the G-d of the Bible is a cruel tyrant and this fact that's printed in bold in the Bible is what puts off many more people and so for all these reasons atheism is growing at a high rate.

However, at the same time, atheism is bound to fail in the longer run since atheism hasn't a clue regarding the nature/basis of consciousness, the origin of the universe, the question of the fine tuning of the universe, the emergence of sentience in matter, the appearance of sentient creatures, the total incomprehension of the phenomenon of death, the inability to explain verifiable past life memories, the inability to create sentience from scratch, the inability to revive a clinically dead brain, the incapacity to isolate (or transfer or transplant or store or quantify) consciousness and the failure to resurrect a corpse among other unanswered queries of fundamental importance.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70096 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
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Doesn't look like a comparable situation.
They would vote to be annexed; the WB would not. So it's mutual. We aren't talking about 1942, we're talking now
If you really want to go back to 1942 - guess what that means for Israel itself?
Truman admitted his recognition was mostly political for his future re-election.
Russia is landlocked 2/3 of the year. They want that warm water port. Who's going to say they can't have it?
You cant compare both nations in terms of the same year, but rather in the terms of the same stage of development.

Israel needs the West Bank to buffer against attack on its thin coastal strip. So there is geocontext as well.

Anyway, the point I am making isnt about Israel, or about Crimea (I surely understand its importance to Russia), its about Carter's hypocrisy. i.e. that he is willing to reward one nation for successfully cleansing and then aggrandizing, but then condemn another for basically doing the same thing (but in an earlier stage of development). The more prudent thing to do, given his public record, on his level, would be to withhold comment.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#70097 Mar 25, 2014
TEST OF A TRUE PROPHET

1) A true prophet should be a knower of the entire past, present and future (through the yogic vision).

2) A true prophet should have the yogic power to instantly neutralize adverse circumstances in and around him without saying a word and without indulging in violence.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70098 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
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Marshall predicted war if Truman recognized and I think it happened the next day.
Don't know the answer or the solution. Not sure if anyone does.
The conflict was well ensconced even before the state was recognized, so I dont think it took much of a genius to make such a statement - just someone with eyes wide open.

Before the Arab spring, I did have some hopes. But now I am convinced that the Arabs will never in our lifetimes get their sht together. And am somewhat disgusted that portions of the outside population waste valuable energy condemning Israel through boycotts etc for activities that pale in comparison to the death and destruction occurring daily in the rest of the Muslim world.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#70099 Mar 25, 2014
former res wrote:
At the Beirut Summit on 28 March 2002, the league adopted the Arab Peace Initiative,[24] a Saudi-inspired peace plan for the Arab–Israeli conflict. The initiative offered full normalization of the relations with Israel. In exchange, Israel was required to withdraw from all occupied territories, including the Golan Heights, to recognize Palestinian independence in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with East Jerusalem as its capital, as well as a "just solution" for the Palestinian refugees. The Peace Initiative was again endorsed at 2007 in the Riyadh Summit. In July 2007, the Arab League sent a mission, consisting of the Jordanian and Egyptian foreign ministers, to Israel to promote the initiative
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_League#Fore...
Except that Israel does not agree that all the "territories" are occupied (there are ancestral claims), probably would never seriously consider giving up the Golan (couldnt even imagine it now considering the major war being fought in Syria), and East Jerusalem is usually interpreted as the Old City itself (would never happen).

So, in essence, the Saudis were promoting something that any student of the middle east, including them, and certainly Marshall would know to be a nonstarter.

Dunno what the answer either. Was more hopeful before the Arab spring.

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