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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59624 Oct 6, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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You are koo koo for cocopuffs , if 1st hand testimony isn't proof then the prosecutors wouldn't be able to convict anyone in traffic cases.
Being that you do not understand the difference between ancedotal and statistically proven, it is a waste of time to continue this conversation with you.

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#59625 Oct 6, 2013
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If ascorbate readily bonds with free calcium ions in solution then the logical implication is that the availability of free calcium ions would be lesser thereby giving free oxalate ions little chance of bonding with free calcium ions to form calcium oxalate (stones).
So, a diet rich in vitamin C would prevent or reduce the risk in of oxalate as well as phosphate stone formation.
Mainly, I think a diet that's highly deficient in ascorbate and low on sodium would help in preventing or in reducing the risk of kidney stone formation.
Well, whatever.
Dont shoot the messenger. I am only providing you the modern medicine links. Obviously there is an intervening factor that we are not considering.

There is firm evidence that citrate reduces formation. Hence the directive to drink lots of lemonade. This has been clinically demonstrated.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59626 Oct 6, 2013
JOEL THUMBS UP wrote:
CONCLUSION
"More common is secondary hyperoxaluria, which can be seen in the setting of bowel surgery, inflammatory bowel disease, excessive intake of vitamin C, and renal insufficiency...."
COMMENTS
So. there are no clear cut dos and donts where prevention or reducing the risk of kidney stone formation is concerned.
Each case is different and so each patient whose body is inclined towards kidney stone formation should work out a diet that's best suited to his body type.
The common thread to risk reduction is to
- increase fluid intake, analyze your stone and urine chemistry, decrease high oxalate foods such as rhubarb and spinach (if oxalate), and drink more citrate (if oxalate). There is NO recommendation regarding Calcium, unless something is known about one's metabolic imbalance (if any).

Everything else is specific to ones plight. In many cases, like mine, I dont suffer from any of those metabolic conditions, so I need not get any more specific at this time.
Voluntarist

United States

#59627 Oct 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Being that you do not understand the difference between ancedotal and statistically proven, it is a waste of time to continue this conversation with you.
Its ok you can stay in your sick world with your kidney stones and other medical issues, ill stay in my "anecdotal" world healthy and vibrant.
Good luck! Take your meds!

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59628 Oct 6, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Its ok you can stay in your sick world with your kidney stones and other medical issues, ill stay in my "anecdotal" world healthy and vibrant.
Good luck! Take your meds!
Trust us, you are not a poster child for "healthy". You are mentally insane at worst, and illogical at best.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59629 Oct 6, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Its ok you can stay in your sick world with your kidney stones and other medical issues, ill stay in my "anecdotal" world healthy and vibrant.
Good luck! Take your meds!
what meds? I managed to prolong the space between kidney stone episodes from once a year to once every five years SIMPLY by drinking more water - without bothering with any dietary modification - under advice of my Dr. After the last one, I started drinking lemonade, too.

Not very high tech. And all under advice of the medical establishment.

You are tilting at windmills, picking fights with entities that there is no fight with. All for the purpose of making your insecure little self feel smug. Thats not healthy.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59630 Oct 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Dingbat
If you bothered to read any of the med links I posted you would note that Dr are NOT recommending that. Or they shouldnt be
I think I will side with modern medicine, thank you
rabbee: people cannot understand, why you should not standardize either cholesterol, calcium or other vitamins and minerals. the requirements from childhood to adult are not fixed. as well as for each individual, can be different. too much vitamins and minerals can be just as, dangerous or more dangerous as too little.

even vitamin c, can cause death. even with it being difficult to overdose, on vitamin c because of it's high solubility. several health nuts in the past, have died by overdosing on vitamin c. too much vitamin a and b, is also even more deadly. due to a lower solubility index. too many vitamins and minerals, can also ruin your health.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59631 Oct 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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what meds? I managed to prolong the space between kidney stone episodes from once a year to once every five years SIMPLY by drinking more water - without bothering with any dietary modification - under advice of my Dr. After the last one, I started drinking lemonade, too.
Not very high tech. And all under advice of the medical establishment.
You are tilting at windmills, picking fights with entities that there is no fight with. All for the purpose of making your insecure little self feel smug. Thats not healthy.
rabbee: if you are a vegetarian, i might help to mix 1 or 2% food grade calcium hydroxide with your salt. unless you put vinegar in your vegies, which would defeat the purpose.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59632 Oct 6, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: people cannot understand, why you should not standardize either cholesterol, calcium or other vitamins and minerals. the requirements from childhood to adult are not fixed. as well as for each individual, can be different. too much vitamins and minerals can be just as, dangerous or more dangerous as too little.
even vitamin c, can cause death. even with it being difficult to overdose, on vitamin c because of it's high solubility. several health nuts in the past, have died by overdosing on vitamin c. too much vitamin a and b, is also even more deadly. due to a lower solubility index. too many vitamins and minerals, can also ruin your health.
I did mention a few posts ago my wariness about excessive supplementation. It seems like many packaged foods supplement, and when you eat a few of the different foods a day, you are exceeding the idealized intakes.

Fact is, eating real food will go along way without needing a lot of supplementation.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59633 Oct 6, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: if you are a vegetarian, i might help to mix 1 or 2% food grade calcium hydroxide with your salt. unless you put vinegar in your vegies, which would defeat the purpose.
Or adding baking soda to one's glass of water.

I have been reading about alkalinized water. Apparently people are confusing alkaline water WITH water with alkalinity. Not that I am sure of the difference. If I understand it correctly, alkaline water is negated in the stomach due to buffering mechanisms, while water with alkalinity survives the stomach and alkalinizes the urine?
Voluntarist

United States

#59634 Oct 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Trust us, you are not a poster child for "healthy". You are mentally insane at worst, and illogical at best.
My logic skills surpass yours, your problem is that you think that you know it all, you are ignorant and pompous.
Silly bitch go hump your boyfriend.
Voluntarist

United States

#59635 Oct 6, 2013
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: people cannot understand, why you should not standardize either cholesterol, calcium or other vitamins and minerals. the requirements from childhood to adult are not fixed. as well as for each individual, can be different. too much vitamins and minerals can be just as, dangerous or more dangerous as too little.
even vitamin c, can cause death. even with it being difficult to overdose, on vitamin c because of it's high solubility. several health nuts in the past, have died by overdosing on vitamin c. too much vitamin a and b, is also even more deadly. due to a lower solubility index. too many vitamins and minerals, can also ruin your health.
Vitamin C, Linus Pauling was right all
along. A doctor's opinion

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/1215...

I have seen an heard too many people heal through nutritional supplements, this leads me to believe that Americans in general are deprived.
Voluntarist

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#59636 Oct 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Trust us, you are not a poster child for "healthy". You are mentally insane at worst, and illogical at best.
Ypu are such a collectivist , you never use the word "me", trust me, I hardly think that you speak for everyone.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59637 Oct 6, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Ypu are such a collectivist , you never use the word "me", trust me, I hardly think that you speak for everyone.
weak. Share with us more of your issues....(not)

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59638 Oct 6, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Vitamin C, Linus Pauling was right all
along. A doctor's opinion
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/1215...
I have seen an heard too many people heal through nutritional supplements, this leads me to believe that Americans in general are deprived.
First off, do those people eat healthy? Or are they compensating for their sht diets?

Second, show me clinical trials. Save the testimony for church.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#59639 Oct 6, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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My logic skills surpass yours, your problem is that you think that you know it all, you are ignorant and pompous.
Silly bitch go hump your boyfriend.
The thing is, I dont have to know it all. I only have to think. Logically.

That alone puts me light years ahead of you.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59640 Oct 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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I did mention a few posts ago my wariness about excessive supplementation. It seems like many packaged foods supplement, and when you eat a few of the different foods a day, you are exceeding the idealized intakes.
Fact is, eating real food will go along way without needing a lot of supplementation.
rabbee: well vitamins and minerals, that are stored in the body should be of the biggest concern. needless to say, i am not a believer in one a day type of minimum daily requirement vitamins. except possibly for people, on severe diets.

and i am usually on, a sea food diet. i see food, i eat it. so i am usually more cautious, about what i buy. but once a month, i might indulge in a pizza. and curse mcdonalds for making such, good french/belgian fries.

i remember it was about 30 years ago, a bread manufacture dump too much thiamine, and riboflavin in a batch of bread dough. and killed, quite a few people. one slice was like, a 100 times the minimum daily dose.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59641 Oct 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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Or adding baking soda to one's glass of water.
I have been reading about alkalinized water. Apparently people are confusing alkaline water WITH water with alkalinity. Not that I am sure of the difference. If I understand it correctly, alkaline water is negated in the stomach due to buffering mechanisms, while water with alkalinity survives the stomach and alkalinizes the urine?
rabbee: well actually i recommended putting it in the salt. so that it is introduced into the food, before ingestion - especially prior, to any cooking. in order to help reduce the oxalic acid, before ingestion. and please keep in mind that sodium, or potassium acid oxalates, are more toxic than calcium oxalate. though i am not sure of the toxicity, of carbo-oxalates.

high concentrations oxalic acid is, extremely hard on the liver and kidneys. which is found in ethylene glycol ingestion, which is converted to pure oxalic acid. always resulting in death, without immediate treatment.

the idea is to try and neutralize the oxalic acid, before it hit the high concentration of hydrochloric acid in the stomach. since oxalic acid, is stronger acid than hydrochloric acid - and is thus not affected by it.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59642 Oct 6, 2013
Voluntarist wrote:
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Vitamin C, Linus Pauling was right all
along. A doctor's opinion
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/1215...
I have seen an heard too many people heal through nutritional supplements, this leads me to believe that Americans in general are deprived.
rabbee: so? i have personally seen far more people healed by G-D, than by nutritional supplements. i do not personally know of anyone, healed by nutritional supplements. i have only heard rumors, of this. i think too many people in the united states, are being deprived of the truth of G-D. in fact i do not believe any one, can be healed without approval from G-D. i have seen dead people come back to life, because G-D had previously said it so. even with the law of the copperhead, it still take G-D to say so.
yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#59643 Oct 6, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
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The thing is, I dont have to know it all. I only have to think. Logically.
That alone puts me light years ahead of you.
rabbee: is that coors lite, or bud lite years ahead?

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