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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL

Thane, India

#51200 Apr 27, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>

The mind of God is like the internet. It's accessible any where in the world to anywhere in the world. Thoughts, or prayer come immediately to God.
LOL.

That's not true.

What you call God, your Biblical God, is one out of many vital beings - a petty, bloodthirsty, ignorant entity of the cosmic vital plane.

This being, your Biblical God, has limited reach and can cast a spell - a most unhealthy one - only on those who worship or propitiate it.

The beings of the higher planes that exceed the cosmic vital do not seek to be worshipped as they're free of megalomania, narcissism and egoism.

From the Supermind begins the truly beneficial or divine planes of cosmic existence.

To reach the supramental planes is a Herculean task and not more than say 6 to 7 individuals in the whole of human history have attained to it via the trance state of the highest order.

Still rarer is the attempt to cause the supramental power to descend into the lower planes of overmind (1 to 4), intuition mind, illumined mind, higher mind, mind, higher vital, lower vital, subtle physical, gross physical, subconscient and finally into the inconscient so as to transform them via supramentalization.

Abraham, Jesus, Daniel, Elijah, Moses, Muhammad and other demon-worshippers were centered via trance on the adverse aspects of the cosmic vital planes. Their God was a vital being, a bloodthirsty, megalomanical, narcissistic, egoistic, cruel, fanatical, sectarian, jealous and martial being. Krishna, Rama and Buddha, too, attained to a state of consciousness below the supermind or they were embodiments of the infra-supramental planes.

There exist planes that far exceed the quadruple planes of the supermind which enter the supracosmic realms.

The unified field of consciousness-energy with its innate causal mechanism exceeds the supracosmic ranges and is the self-existent source of the entire supracosmic and cosmic Manifestation.

It's only from the supermind onwards that the beginning of a truly unified state based the first lights of omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence puts in an appearance.

Everything below the supramental planes is based on division, ignorance and struggle.
Voluntarist

United States

#51201 Apr 27, 2013
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you a fellow atheist?
You dont have to believe in religion but dont be so ignorant as to believe that you know everything.
I dont have an opinion on the matter but i find athiests aggressive anti-religion sermons to be as boring and annoying as religious zealots rhetoric.
JOEL

Thane, India

#51202 Apr 27, 2013
MECHANISM OF DEATH & THE DYNAMICS OF THE AFTERLIFE:

Till now death is a natural phenomenon given the unregenerate state of matter with its wear and tear, friction, decomposition and susceptibility to disintegration via poisoning, accidents and weapons.

So, unregenerate matter (the body) cannot contain the finer movements of consciousness that inhere in it forever and at one point in time, on account of one or more of the above given reasons, matter gives away and is unable to hold the innate consciousness with its various aspects and their concomitant energies and this leads to a complete breakdown of the physical machinery - a condition which we call death.

The varied parts and planes of being - gross physical, subtle physical, vital and mental - centered or diffused around the psychic (the central consciousness) that depends on the degree of evolution of consciousness of the individual determined by heredity, karma and carried over past life instincts, escape (I mean the psychic consciousness with its overlying mental, vital and physical aspects escapes) through the micro-aperture at the top of the head and thereafter each part, depending on its attachment to the psychic, breaks free from the pull of the psychic and scatters in its own dimension - the gross physical energies mingle with the universal plane of the gross physical energies, next to escape is the subtle physical consciousness-energy that scatters in the universal subtle physical plane, then the vital consciousness layer with its accompanying energy breaks free of the attraction of the psychic and mingles as particles in the cosmic vital dimension and finally the mental apparatus of the individual breaks its link with the psychic and scatters in the cosmic mind plane.

Now, the unsheathed psychic which is directly linked to the cosmic self and beyond to the supracosmic self which in turn is a direct projection of the unified field of consciousness-energy retains the imprints of the individual's gross physical, subtle physical, vital and mental karma and instincts and then enters a state of quiescence and after a time it descends to embody itself once again and so on.....

However, how quickly each sheath of consciousness-energy that overlies the psychic breaks free of the pull of the psychic would depend on the degree of development of that particular plane....and more....
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51203 Apr 28, 2013
ADDENDUM ON THE AFTERLIFE & IMMORTALITY:

1) If an individual is highly gifted in say the arts, science or poetry then the corresponding sheath of consciousness with its innate energy content affiliated to his well-developed skill is not dissipated after death and this part of the individual's personality firmly adheres to the indwelling psychic.

2) A yogi can maintain intact all the sheaths - subtle physical, vital and mental - even after voluntarily quitting his body (dropping off the physical body and the escape of the gross physical energies into the universal gross energy field) and these sheaths remain intimately attached to the psychic.

3) An advanced yogi can even prevent physical death by infusing his body with the vital force or with the superior supramental power.

4) However, the vitalized body though immortal is not invincible and can be shattered to pieces by accidents or destroyed by weapons and/or poisons.

5) Whereas the supramentalized body is immortal and invincible and is not affected by anything and its degree of gnosticism is high enough to border on the omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence of the supramental kind.

6) Besides, the organ systems in such a supramentalized body gradually atrophy and in place are activated the various force centers along the spine that extend outside the body in the force dimensions above the head and all these force centers can then commune directly with the play of the cosmic forces.

7) In case of ordinary individuals, the overlying sheaths of the subtle physical, the vital and the mental consciousnesses get diffused after each sheath works out its causation (karma).
Gtown71

United States

#51204 Apr 28, 2013
JOEL wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL.
That's not true.
What you call God, your Biblical God, is one out of many vital beings - a petty, bloodthirsty, ignorant entity of the cosmic vital plane.
This being, your Biblical God, has limited reach and can cast a spell - a most unhealthy one - only on those who worship or propitiate it.
The beings of the higher planes that exceed the cosmic vital do not seek to be worshipped as they're free of megalomania, narcissism and egoism.
From the Supermind begins the truly beneficial or divine planes of cosmic existence.
To reach the supramental planes is a Herculean task and not more than say 6 to 7 individuals in the whole of human history have attained to it via the trance state of the highest order.
Still rarer is the attempt to cause the supramental power to descend into the lower planes of overmind (1 to 4), intuition mind, illumined mind, higher mind, mind, higher vital, lower vital, subtle physical, gross physical, subconscient and finally into the inconscient so as to transform them via supramentalization.
Abraham, Jesus, Daniel, Elijah, Moses, Muhammad and other demon-worshippers were centered via trance on the adverse aspects of the cosmic vital planes. Their God was a vital being, a bloodthirsty, megalomanical, narcissistic, egoistic, cruel, fanatical, sectarian, jealous and martial being. Krishna, Rama and Buddha, too, attained to a state of consciousness below the supermind or they were embodiments of the infra-supramental planes.
There exist planes that far exceed the quadruple planes of the supermind which enter the supracosmic realms.
The unified field of consciousness-energy with its innate causal mechanism exceeds the supracosmic ranges and is the self-existent source of the entire supracosmic and cosmic Manifestation.
It's only from the supermind onwards that the beginning of a truly unified state based the first lights of omniscience, omnipotence and omnipresence puts in an appearance.
Everything below the supramental planes is based on division, ignorance and struggle.
Hey Joel, it's been a while.

I see you're still using fifty dollar words, that when added all together amount to nothing.:)

You seem like a smart guy, just not very wise, at all.

Ever learning, but never able to come to the truth.

Just a thought, "IF" there was a GOD, do you not think that GOD could be, do, say, think, BE WHATEVER IT WISHED?

People /athiest /agnostic are always saying show me proof!!
My God set the deal up, that if you recieve His grace, mercy, salvation, that you must do it by faith, not proof.

I've told you before, but lets look at this thing scientific like :

I did Not believe in God up till I was 29 yo.
I thought those who did were idiots.
I was raised in church till age 9 church of christ.
long story short, my parents divorced, we stopped going to church, I found my father dead at age 10 -that night I felt "something" put it's arm around me and whisper in my left ear "there is no god! " "how could a loving god let you find your own father dead? " I agreed with it with all of my being, and it was only made stronger, as my strict "godly" mom began to go to the bars, bringing home a different man every other night!

Yet at age 29 -my life was in a mess, and THIS GOD I didn't believe in woke me up, and after a struggle I yeilded to Him, by simply saying "ok God, but You're going to have to help me "

That's been about 12 years ago Joel, and my.life is still changed from one extreme to another. I'm not perfect "far from it ",but Joel my soul was saved that night, and I am going to Heaven.

You can do as you will with this, and I already kinda know what you will, but I told you Joel. God is real, and loves you very much, no.matter if you love Him back or not.

I pray you find truth Joel, and meet God as your savior, instead of your judge.
You're a very smart man, and I pray soon wise as well :)
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51205 Apr 28, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
again, you are using conventional modern standards for proof. Modern QA/QC.
to someone who believes in their feelings, and who doesnt share our modern sensibilities - yes, it is evidence. You can weigh it according to our modern standard and reject it as credible.
I didnt say everyone did this. If you scrolled back and looked at my language, I said some did. Others are fine just accepting things on faith and not even claiming evidentiary status. Your citation is relevent to this latter group.
I do not agree that believing strongly enough that night is day or that up is down, makes it so - even for those who believe it.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#51206 Apr 28, 2013
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
"Evidence, broadly construed, is anything presented in support of an assertion. This support may be strong or weak."
Evidence is a rather broad category.
You are confusing "evaluation" with "evidence"
Sure, in court, each side presents its "evidence."

But there is evidence, and then there is evidence.

I believe we both know what we mean.
Gtown71

United States

#51207 Apr 28, 2013
Sorry for the double post.
read it twice?

My geuss, you will "skim" it.
That's a normal thing for highly intellects :)
Gtown71

United States

#51209 Apr 28, 2013
After looking at how my life was changed in such a way, like the difference in light and darkness, or better from darkness to light.
I truly believe any scientist worth their wieght in salt, would, after viewing all evidence conclude there is a GOD :)

I KNOW I BELIEVE THERE IS A GOD :)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51210 Apr 28, 2013
Gtown71,

Kindly buzz off.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51211 Apr 28, 2013
SEX & EXCRETION:

The Communist writer Berthold Brecht seized upon another design problem to explain why he was an atheist:



He said, "No Divine Intelligence would place the excretory and sexual functions in such close proximity."

Or, as a wag put it, "God put the snack shop too close to the outhouse."

..........

HUGH dear,

Where are you, dear?

Shacking up with your boyfriend?

(smiles)
Gtown71

United States

#51212 Apr 28, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Gtown71,
Kindly buzz off.
Lol -you're too kind Joel :)
Don't be mad bro.

I must say I've never seen a post from you so short, and so simple put.
I geuss miricles do happen :)

Have a nice day Joel.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51213 Apr 28, 2013
According to the psychologist Abraham Maslow (1908-1970), a man's source of self-esteem is his penis. LOL.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51214 Apr 28, 2013
An upcoming Chinese film intends taking up the racy theme - masturbation as a human right.

(smiles)
Gtown71

United States

#51215 Apr 28, 2013
JOEL wrote:
SEX & EXCRETION:
The Communist writer Berthold Brecht seized upon another design problem to explain why he was an atheist:
He said, "No Divine Intelligence would place the excretory and sexual functions in such close proximity."
Or, as a wag put it, "God put the snack shop too close to the outhouse."
..........
HUGH dear,
Where are you, dear?
Shacking up with your boyfriend?
(smiles)
That's becouse he didn't have the mind of God.
He had /has a filthy human mind, and I think the reason they are so close, is to keep us from being even more sick minded then we already are, or atleast most of us. There are some that kinda like them that close together .
Just keeping it real.:)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51216 Apr 28, 2013
Thank you, GTown71.
Gtown71

United States

#51217 Apr 28, 2013
JOEL wrote:
According to the psychologist Abraham Maslow (1908-1970), a man's source of self-esteem is his penis. LOL.
According to my friend Bo -God only supplies a man with enough blood to supply one head at a time, and it's up to us which one we use. Lol
Gtown71

United States

#51218 Apr 28, 2013
JOEL wrote:
Thank you, GTown71.
You're welcome Joel -peace out for now :)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51219 Apr 28, 2013
ESAU'S CROCODILE TEARS:

In "Esau's Tears: Modern Anti Semitism and the Rise of the Jews" (1997) Albert Lindemann writes:

Jews have been as capable as any other group of provoking hostility. They actually do not want to understand their past, or at least those aspects of their past that have to do with the hatred directed at them, since understanding may threaten other aspects of their complex and often contradictory identities.

(smiles)
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#51220 Apr 28, 2013
KHAZARS AS JEWS:

The overwhelming majority of the people who claim Jewish identity today descend from Khazari ancestors and therefore are technically not even Semites.

In fact, according to Shlomo Sand's 2009 book, "The Invention of The Jewish People," even David Ben-Gurion, the first prime minister of Modern Israel openly and in writing acknowledged that most of the original Jews of Palestine voluntarily convert to Islam in the 7th and 8th century never having left their homeland.

According to Ben Gurion, "The fellahin [the people of Palestine] are not descendants of the Arab Conquerors, who captured Eretz Israel [The Land of Israel] and Syria in the seventh century CE.[AD]. The Arab victors did not destroy the agricultural population they found in the country. They expelled only the alien Byzantine rulers, and did not touch the local population." pp. 185-187

So, technically, it was not until the 1940s and after the Six Day War in 1967 that that the fellahin, the ancestral 'local population' were not only "touched" but became the victims of wholesale massacres (aka ethnic cleansing) and thereby forcibly removed from their homelands at the hands alien Zionist Khazari Pseudo-Judeo invaders.

LOL.

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