Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Where do they make people that are sooo incredibly stupid and short-sighted.
And daft enough to write it down, at that!
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Israels main function is as neutral turf for 5 continents to talk, do business a.s.o. when they have to do business, because westernized is of more importance than all religion.
And it has no ban tourist or ban jews, no-welcome mats.
IN other words, it is a western country in a region that lacks civilization.

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Love is a "Two way street" Hugh Be, never ONE WAY.
Think about it.
In Hughbes case, its not even a ONE WAY street. Hughbe's rants reveal an unmitigated torrent of rage. He cant even get the love thing right.

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What are the resources or strategic location that makes us spend piles of money and political capital on this tiny waring country?
Relatively speaking, we dont actually spend as much money as you might think. In recent years, a lot of the nonmilitary aid has been diminished (by the Israelis themselves who didnt want to be perpetually beholden). Much of the military aid is a result of treaty obligations stemming back from the Camp David Accords (Egypts as well).

We spend almost NO international political capital on this nation. If Israel ceased to exist we STILL would have crazy terrorists attacking our country. That has been clear. And if you look at the European nations that in recent years have been more tepid than us in support, there has been NO decrease of terrorism to them as a result, rather an increase.

THis from Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93U...

"...Israel is the largest total recipient of direct economic and military assistance from the United States since World War II, and it was the largest annual recipient from 1976 to 2003. Since the Iraq War began in 2003, Iraq has overtaken Israel as the largest annual recipient of U.S. aid.[4][5]

A major purchaser and user of U.S. military equipment, Israel is also involved in the joint development of military technology and regularly engages in joint military exercises involving United States and other forces.[2][3].."

So
1)Israel hasnt been the largest recipient since 2003
2)Its NOT unidirectional

So whats your gripe?


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These are all just wonderings and not downs on Israel. I just don't get it.
You want NUTS, dont look at Israel, look at Turkey

Turkey slams Syria's inaction over 'Israeli strike'

Ankara's FM says his country will not stand by when a Muslim country is attacked; wonders why Assad 'didnít even throw a pebble at Israel'
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-434...

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1. so here is a NATO country daring Syria to attack Israel...

2. the same country that just this month accepted Patriot Missiles to defend itself against Syria....

3. basically making the argument that its ok for Syria to kill 25,000 of its own muslim citizens, but it is NOT ok for an outside non muslim country to surgically attack a weapons convey transporting weapons and perhaps WMDs out of the country to terrorists....

And you are wondering who are the allies of America and who are the troublemakers?

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Not knowing much about Israel, I stumbled on a webpage that speaks to it.
http://jcpa.org/dje/articles2/meaning.htm
So, with some 20 million Jews spread throughout the world (before I get fact checked, I'm only guesstimating based on what the article above talks about). Give or take 10 million. What is the reason for needing the state of Israel to exist? Jews are a people right? What's special about the specific area that Israel was founded on? Jesus? What's the spread of people in Israel? Is it primarily Jews or are there others as well like the melting pot of peeps that we have here. So, what is the special interest that we have in Israel? What are the resources or strategic location that makes us spend piles of money and political capital on this tiny waring country? I continue to wonder what it is that these people are fighting over?
What's the interest. Beans said there are many reasons a while back, but was not specific as to the real reasons. Countries tend to war for natural resources. There is very little else to war over. Dead people don't seem to matter as south of us, the "War on Drugs" has claimed some 50,000ish lives in 4ish yrs. Of course, down there we control cheap labor, natural resources and politicians along with drugs (kinda count as a natural resource). So, what have we in Israel that matters so much? Why not just let Israel war like mad people with the A-Rabs?
These are all just wonderings and not downs on Israel. I just don't get it.
Here is the official US response to your question

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pd...

In November 2011, Assistant Secretary of State for Political-Military Affairs Andrew J. Shapiro publicly reaffirmed the Obama Administrationís commitment to preserving Israelís aid and QME.
In his remarks, he stated:

But today, in these budget constrained timesósome are now asking the question why should we keep providing aid to Israel? Yes, Israel is a long time democratic ally and we share a
special bondóbut some skeptics are questioning whether thatís enough of a reason to continue to spend hard earned American tax payer dollars on Israelís security.

I can answer that skepticism directlyówe donít just support Israel because of a long standing bond, we support Israel because it is in our national interests to do so.

This aspect of our relationship with Israel is often overlooked.

Americaís commitment to Israelís security and prosperity
has extended over many decades because our leaders on both sides of the aisle have long understood that a robust United States-Israel security relationship is in our interests. Our
support for Israelís security helps preserve peace and stability in the region. If Israel were weaker, its enemies would be bolder. This would make broader conflict more likely, which would be catastrophic to American interests in the region.

It is the very strength of Israelís military which deters potential aggressors and helps foster peace and stability.

Ensuring Israelís military strength and its superiority in the region is therefore critical to regional stability and as a result is fundamentally a core interest of the United States.

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BTW that link explains the entire aid program - military and nonmilitary - along with dollar amounts, the history, and the reasons...

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pd...

from p 20 on it gets into the nonmilitary aid.
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Mine was a disguised quote from the New Testament. If you have an issue with that, bring it up with the authors.
"When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways..."

- Book of Homer

Is this adapted from the NT? Is it really so?
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Hughbe will not be amused to hear that
JOEL: The child in man should not be abolished as then innocence and the sense of wonder would disappear and be replaced by shrewdness and cunning.

Why would Hugh not be amused to hear what I typed in response?

In what way would it affect his religious beliefs?

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"When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways..."
- Book of Homer
Is this adapted from the NT? Is it really so?
Yes it was quoted directly - I was mocking Hughbe. Google it.
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Whats your favorite gym machine?
My personal is working on developing my abs so that the lean look is accentuated.

Some callisthenics, too.
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Yes it was quoted directly - I was mocking Hughbe. Google it.
Oh yeah, Papa.

1 Corinthians 13:11:

"When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me."

I guess it's Paul speaking.
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That should be....

My personal TRAINER is working on developing my abs so that the lean look is accentuated.

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My personal TRAINER is working on developing my abs so that the lean look is accentuated.
How do you keep yourself from imbibing the vibes of all the people who use the machines before you?
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My personal is working on developing my abs so that the lean look is accentuated.
Some callisthenics, too.
Work on your legs too. There is nothing less appealing than a gym rat with a well muscled upper body and skinny legs.

Such an animal (and there are many in the gyms I go to) wouldn't last 10 minutes in the outdoors.
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Yes it was quoted directly - I was mocking Hughbe. Google it.
I wonder how Paul would respond to something like this:

1) "Child is father of man."

Or,

2) "A child gives birth to a mother."

(smiles)

I want to stay far away from these Master-disciple relationships that usually end up in disaster even if the Master happens to be a true Prophet or Saint.

These Master-disciple and/or Archetypal Being-sage relationships look great on paper and are exaggerated by the authors of books but when it comes to brass tacks - the actual relationship in all its nitty gritty - it's more about limitation, delusion, subservience, suffering and life-threatening moments than constituting a stream of great inner experiences gradually leading to self-realization and perfection.

The Master or the Archetypal Being are limited in consciousness-energy which they seek to impose on those who genuflect before them. They connect with you in consciousness and energy - a tie that's so solid that in most ways it cannot be severed. I know from personal experience....

I am still recovering from the serious damage to mind and body from entering too deep into such a relationship that opened me up to the subtler ranges of cosmic consciousness and energy to quite an extent but the sufferings/dangers to life were real, constant and unbearable and during these emergencies the Master and/or the Being remains aloof on most occasions.

The yoga experiences are continuing in me in a spontaneous way though I have cut all ties with my Master.

I need to recover from the damage fully...
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How do you keep yourself from imbibing the vibes of all the people who use the machines before you?
Hardly anyone uses the gym. Most are too lazy to work up a sweat and prefer a brisk walk or a slow jog on the adjacent jogging track surrounding the garden in my residential block.

I wipe clean all the equipment and erase any residual forces of other users by directing at the equipment a strong yogic force that usually works in minutes and I can see and feel the process involving the dissolving of the forces of others left behind on the machine.

The lucky part is that among the few regulars who make use of the gym in our apartment block none radiates a perverse force field and most are very pleasant to talk/interact with and in this way I am safe to a large extent.
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Work on your legs too.

There is nothing less appealing than a gym rat with a well muscled upper body and skinny legs.

Such an animal (and there are many in the gyms I go to) wouldn't last 10 minutes in the outdoors.
I am working on my legs as well using light weights, sit ups and cycling.

Thank you.
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I'm going to the poolside of the Taj to relax and catch up with small talk with friends who're at present in the Sea Lounge since an hour or so. Bye.
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I am working on my legs as well using light weights, sit ups and cycling.
Thank you.
Bodily exercise profits little.

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Bodily exercise profits little.
Who called that exercise?

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