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Scranton neighbors say good riddance to Daron Northeast

There are 23 comments on the The Times-Tribune story from Nov 13, 2008, titled Scranton neighbors say good riddance to Daron Northeast. In it, The Times-Tribune reports that:

After almost six years of living next to Daron Northeast, Tom Prendergast knows to place the china securely toward the back of the cupboard.

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NotADumbBlonde

Gettysburg, PA

#1 Nov 13, 2008
Daron Northeast
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At last Thursday's meeting, a well-coiffed, well-dressed Dan Hubbard spoke extensively about Daron Northeast, which is operating well into the night. He again questioned how and why Daron was allowed to open without going before either the Zoning Board for a variance or the Planning Commission for a site plan review. Currently, it holds 30-some zoning violations. Having been cited by OSHA, its workers are required to wear respirators although, curiously enough, they are not worn outside of the facility, in plain view of the neighbors.

One such neighbor attended Thursday's meeting but remained in council's hall, crying. She had been to see her doctor, who diagnosed her with 40% less breathing capacity. Interesting for a woman who had never smoked a day in her life.

Dan also acknowledged the one-year anniversary of the flood by noting that still nothing has been done to help the citizens of lower Green Ridge.
cyberlion

Gettysburg, PA

#2 Nov 13, 2008
WHAT CAN BE DONE TO PROTECT WORKERS?

* Use WATER whenever possible to control dust. Wet cutting and other wet processes should keep dust levels very low.
* If the use of water is not practical, then a dust collector attached to the tool should be used.
* Appropriate respirators should only be used if no other method of control is available to protect workers.
* Change contaminated coveralls at the worksite. Do not take contaminated clothes home!
* Do not eat, drink, or use tobacco products in or near dusty areas. Always wash up before eating, drinking, or smoking.

WHAT DO I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT RESPIRATORS?

* The type of respirator used will depend on the level of silica in the air. As a minimum, a half-facepiece N100 respirator should be used. As the amount of silica dust increases, the respirator must offer more protection. For example, dry cutting masonry stone over a prolonged period may require a full-facepiece respirator instead of a half-facepiece respirator. A half-facepiece respirator only fits over nose and mouth whereas a full-facepiece respirator fits over eyes, nose, and mouth and offers better protection.
* Workers must be trained in the proper way to use a respirator and must understand the health reasons for always wearing it.
* Workers must be fit-tested to ensure that the respirator makes a proper seal with the face. Fit-testing and training must be done by a competent person familiar with the selection, care, and use of respirators.
* Respirators must have a National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) approval number on them. Paper masks or surgical masks without a NIOSH approval number must NOT be used because they do little to protect the worker.
* Workers must be clean-shaven when wearing respirators. Beards, even stubble, will allow some dust to bypass the respirator and be inhaled.

Citizens should contact the State HEALTH Dept. and the Federal Surgeon General!

What that crook has allowed to transpire for the past 6 years in regards to doron ne is more criminal than almost everything else he has done to the citizens of scranton - It's one thing to steal our money and assets, disrespect our senior citizens and children but it's a totally different animal when he places our lives in jeporady
NotADumbBlonde

Gettysburg, PA

#3 Nov 13, 2008
Daron Northeast
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At last Thursday's meeting, a well-coiffed, well-dressed Dan Hubbard spoke extensively about Daron Northeast, which is operating well into the night. He again questioned how and why Daron was allowed to open without going before either the Zoning Board for a variance or the Planning Commission for a site plan review. Currently, it holds 30-some zoning violations. Having been cited by OSHA, its workers are required to wear respirators although, curiously enough, they are not worn outside of the facility, in plain view of the neighbors.

One such neighbor attended Thursday's meeting but remained in council's hall, crying. She had been to see her doctor, who diagnosed her with 40% less breathing capacity. Interesting for a woman who had never smoked a day in her life.

Dan also acknowledged the one-year anniversary of the flood by noting that still nothing has been done to help the citizens of lower Green Ridge.
Daniel Hubbard

Gettysburg, PA

#4 Nov 13, 2008
I was not aware of this meeting and from what I have been told is that members of council were not informed about it till yesterday. The residents of Dickson Ave also were not asked to attend. The meeting also had Bill Fiorini there to comment on weither or not Daron was operating legally and I just would like to know if Bill is the new zoning officer???? The questions that i have been asking all fall under zoning and not inspeaction and licensing, so why is Bill answering the zoning questions???? Isn't he retired also?
Scranton Girl

Gettysburg, PA

#5 Nov 13, 2008
Mrs. Doe (I don't want to mention her name for fear of retaliation against her) has been complaining to city council, the mayor, the licensing dept., and the zoning office for almost five years.

Joe P. filed a lawsuit against Daron NE a year or so ago, and he put up info about how he contacted Fiorini and Wallace back then, with no responses that put the issue to rest.

For Bill Courtright to say that the 'experts' in our city depts. have determined that no violation occurred is a travesty and downright ignorant (uneducated). Courtright has to know that these cabinet members and appointees will not go against the mayor, who wanted Mr. Kiesling to have that property.

Both Joe and Dan have shown numerous zoning codes that have been violated, and proof that Daron is doing something harmful to the environment (and humans) was stated by Dan that the DEP has cited Daron for violations.

I am very disappointed in Courtright's handling of this; and angry with council as a whole that none of them pursued this issue aggressively, all while these citizens' health has been deteriorating. Maybe council can't do anything legislatively, but as individuals they could have taken up the charge in holding Daron to the line for legal operations.

Bill Fiorini showed his true colors when he did nothing about the truck traffic, the forklifts working at midnight, the dust storms, and the chemicals being washed down our sewer drains. He said it was alright, he found no violations.
NotADumbBlonde

Gettysburg, PA

#6 Nov 13, 2008
JUNE 7, 2007
MR. HUBBARD:
16 Daron Northeast, let's discuss this
17 a little bit. The City of Scranton lost
18 $650,000 on the purchase of that property
19 because we forgave $776,000 in back property
20 taxes.
21 Casey Realty purchased the land, and
22 then he turned around and leased the land to
23 themselves, which then we designated a KOZ.
24 So, since the City of Scranton in
25 itself isn't benefitting in any way, shape
.
87
1 or form in regards to Daron financially, who
2 is benefiting financially from Daron
3 Northeast, that they are receiving an
4 umbrella of protection that they do get from
5 this city?
6 And also, I'm a little rattled, just
7 bear with me. Mr. Fiorini was fielding
8 calls from you guys, and of course there are
9 no building code violations, because I
10 obviously can't get on the grounds of Daron
11 to say that there's building codes
12 violations. There are zoning violations.
13 Mr. Fiorini is not a zoning officer,
14 that would be Mr. Wallace. So, any
15 questions you need in regards to the 30-some
16 zoning violations I have should go to Mr.
17 Wallace.
18 I also think Mr. Wallace should come
19 before the residents and explain why Daron
20 Northeast was allowed to operate without a
21 variance and without a public hearing, as
22 well as a site plan review from the planning
23 commission.
24 They are the two most important
25 things that a business has to go through
.
88
1 before they could open in this city.
2 I mean, that is really one of the
3 two biggest steps when you open a business
4 in the City of Scranton, you have to apply
5 for variances and permits, and you have to
6 have a site plan review that goes before the
7 planning commission, and it has to be
8 approved before a business can open.
9 Neither one of those two actions
10 were ever taken, and this business is
11 allowed to operate, yet they do receive an
12 umbrella of protection from the City of
13 Scranton from somewhere within this city.
14 On that, I'd like to point out, I'd
15 like to thank the motor carrier division of
16 the Scranton Police Department and the
17 Scranton Police Department, because they
18 were on Dickson Avenue yesterday and I think
19 the day before doing DOT spot checks on some
20 of the trucks, so I do appreciate that
21 something is being done to put pressure on
22 Daron Northeast, but yet nothing is being
23 done to correct the mistakes that company
24 has made since they opened.
25 You know, they have been cited by
NotADumbBlonde

Gettysburg, PA

#7 Nov 13, 2008
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1 OSHA repeatedly for not enforcing the
2 required mandate respirators that their
3 employees are supposed to wear while at
4 work.
5 Well, why would you make your
6 employees wear respirators when they're
7 running around in front of the public eye
8 watching your facility, when you're claiming
9 it's not hazardous?
10 OSHA requires their employees to
11 wear respirators. They require their
12 employees to not wear them outside of the
13 building. Why?
14 If the federal government says you
15 have to wear them, who the hell are they to
16 tell their employees that they don't have to
17 wear them? They don't want the people
18 taking pictures, they don't want the
19 sightseers and the drive-bys and the people
20 to see their employees wearing respirators,
21 because then that would just justify
22 everything that I have said in regards to
23 the dust and the quartz crystaline silica
24 that is airborne in that neighborhood.
25 A resident on Dickson Avenue just
.
90
1 got back from her pulmonologist. She's
2 never smoked a cigarette a day in her life.
3 She has 43 percent less breathing capacity
4 in --
5 MR. MINORA: Time.
6 MR. HUBBARD:-- her lungs. So, we
7 need to get on this. This needs to be taken
8 care of.
9 And from what I've heard, you know,
10 you guys received quite a firm letter from
11 Daron. Well, now I guess the City of
12 Scranton is on the intimidation of Daron
13 Northeast, as well as the residents.
14 So, let's just see how this city
15 steps up to the plate and handles this
16 company and protects the people that pay
17 their taxes, that vote, that support this
18 city. They are the backbone of Scranton.
The other thing is Daron Block, why

3 are we discussing that? The lady was

4 outside here today crying, she showed up

5 here before the meeting. She was afraid to

6 come in.

7 Now, I'm going to tell you

8 something, I'm going to be very blunt, okay,

9 that woman had a lot of problems years ago

10 with people in her family that could have

11 lost their life if something wasn't done,

12 you know, something still hasn't been done,

13 and now she's lost a major part of her

14 respiratory ability, and this Council just

15 blabs and blabs and blabs, and the mayor and

16 is spinning his agenda, fiscal destruction

17 of this city, and this Council hasn't

18 stepped up to the plate to protect these

19 people and these individuals near that

20 business.
NotADumbBlonde

Gettysburg, PA

#8 Nov 13, 2008
JUNE 7, 2007

MR. HUBBARD:

16 Daron Northeast, let's discuss this

17 a little bit. The City of Scranton lost

18 $650,000 on the purchase of that property

19 because we forgave $776,000 in back property

20 taxes.

21 Casey Realty purchased the land, and

22 then he turned around and leased the land to

23 themselves, which then we designated a KOZ.

24 So, since the City of Scranton in

25 itself isn't benefitting in any way, shape
.
87

1 or form in regards to Daron financially, who

2 is benefiting financially from Daron

3 Northeast, that they are receiving an

4 umbrella of protection that they do get from

5 this city?

6 And also, I'm a little rattled, just

7 bear with me. Mr. Fiorini was fielding

8 calls from you guys, and of course there are

9 no building code violations, because I

10 obviously can't get on the grounds of Daron

11 to say that there's building codes

12 violations. There are zoning violations.

13 Mr. Fiorini is not a zoning officer,

14 that would be Mr. Wallace. So, any

15 questions you need in regards to the 30-some

16 zoning violations I have should go to Mr.

17 Wallace.

18 I also think Mr. Wallace should come

19 before the residents and explain why Daron

20 Northeast was allowed to operate without a

21 variance and without a public hearing, as

22 well as a site plan review from the planning

23 commission.

24 They are the two most important

25 things that a business has to go through
.

88

1 before they could open in this city.

2 I mean, that is really one of the

3 two biggest steps when you open a business

4 in the City of Scranton, you have to apply

5 for variances and permits, and you have to

6 have a site plan review that goes before the

7 planning commission, and it has to be

8 approved before a business can open.

9 Neither one of those two actions

10 were ever taken, and this business is

11 allowed to operate, yet they do receive an

12 umbrella of protection from the City of

13 Scranton from somewhere within this city.
King of the Hill Section

Gettysburg, PA

#9 Nov 13, 2008
Too bad that Danny what's his name backed down when push came to shove with DARON. Read his public apology in the paper when DARON sued him for slander and that group he's the so called president of left him hangin' on his own.

I thouyght he had help from that Joe what's his face community activist.
Antisystemicmove ments

Gettysburg, PA

#10 Nov 13, 2008
Hey King don't be all dropping the bees on ole Danny Boy there. Sometimes a retreat is more effective than forging ahead. Look at what graeedlemier did when extracating the populias from teh masses of external damnation from within the socialist thought of innercity dwealling while the ICN forge their owm creationlism off of the backs of the no n irish in a city thast never sleeps. yet we allow the excxestential retreat of the diggy diggy lie to coexist within the plasmation of our great nation. I need me some BO BEEP tonight.
Joe Pilchesky

Gettysburg, PA

#11 Nov 13, 2008
Daron may and may not be operating as a Light Industrial business, that's still an issue. However, look at the building right now. Everything from the entrance of the showroom to the right is all commercial space that they're are trying to rent. COMMERCIAL!! That's a light industrial zone. No commercial use is allowed to be built there without a variance and a public hearing. Even when an industrial business goes into operation in an industrial zone, they have to have a public hearing when there's going to be an issue of dust and heavy truck use. The public never got its right to object, courtesy of crony zoning officers.

No building of that size is allowed to be built without submitting the plans to the Planning Commission. And, the permits were never posted on that property to inform everyone what was going to happen, as required, so anyone can so in and file an appeal over the construction of commerical buildings in an industrial zone. There's case law to support that, e.g., Rochon vs. City of Scranton 6212-CV-2000. That's a case where neighbors complained to the zoning board 6 months after construction started because the permit wasn't posted where they could have read it to understand what was going to be done. Those complaining neighbors, I'm told, were entitled to a settlement due to the loss of a view. Magistrate Kennedy was involved in filing the appeal. That door is open on Daron. Who wants in?
NotADumbBlonde

Gettysburg, PA

#12 Nov 13, 2008
was shocked to hear Bill say that there was a caucus before the meeting, and that Dan had not attended. Someone asked him if the public was invited, and he said yes, but who had known about it?

Regarding Dan's list of violations, Bill said that the zoning officer and the lawyer (whose?) would look at them. He said that he had asked Fiorini about silos -- no real response.

Bill said that Fiorini felt Daron was legally within their rights and that there was no problem with dust or noise; furthermore, he thought that Doherty should investigate the situation.

Where is the compassion AND passion for the people from Bill -- the same as wherein he literally BEGGED Doherty to help the unions (after Gervasi spoke)? I didn't hear it when he spoke to Corbett, and I didn't see it at yesterday's meeting.
Scranton Girl

Gettysburg, PA

#13 Nov 13, 2008
Mrs. Doe (I don't want to mention her name for fear of retaliation against her) has been complaining to city council, the mayor, the licensing dept., and the zoning office for almost five years.

Joe P. filed a lawsuit against Daron NE a year or so ago, and he put up info about how he contacted Fiorini and Wallace back then, with no responses that put the issue to rest.

For Bill Courtright to say that the 'experts' in our city depts. have determined that no violation occurred is a travesty and downright ignorant (uneducated). Courtright has to know that these cabinet members and appointees will not go against the mayor, who wanted Mr. Kiesling to have that property.

Both Joe and Dan have shown numerous zoning codes that have been violated, and proof that Daron is doing something harmful to the environment (and humans) was stated by Dan that the DEP has cited Daron for violations.

I am very disappointed in Courtright's handling of this; and angry with council as a whole that none of them pursued this issue aggressively, all while these citizens' health has been deteriorating. Maybe council can't do anything legislatively, but as individuals they could have taken up the charge in holding Daron to the line for legal operations.

Bill Fiorini showed his true colors when he did nothing about the truck traffic, the forklifts working at midnight, the dust storms, and the chemicals being washed down our sewer drains. He said it was alright, he found no violations.
Antisystemicmove ments

Gettysburg, PA

#14 Nov 13, 2008
When something happens partly explains why it happens. Where something happens partly explains why it happens. After all, redevelopment is about real-estate and putting 'the right people' in the 'right places'. The surveillance camers are a perfect example (i.e. where the black people walk and hang out near important property is where the cameras will be, etc.)

Scranton is an economic experiment. The State, PEL, etc. is to the city of Scranton what the U.S. is/was to Latin American-- minus, of course, death squads. Have an idea you want to test out? Try it on Scranton. Econmic/social experimentation is what the IMF and World Bank (and Chicago economists did in Latin America) do to developing Countries (as well as Eastern Europe and Russian Federation "shock therapy"). Stiglitz argues that reason why China is such a strong economic powerhouse, and was hardly affected by the EA crisis in 97, is because they REFUSED to accept the U.S.'s cookie cutter development strategy.

Doherty's regime is one that uses the strategy of "managerialism" (i.e. "running the city like a business"). However, if you owned a business you would know first hand that competition demands the best people, plans, ideas,etc. How can Scranton compete when the city is run by inbreds like Sherry and McGoff and other YES men? How can we create new and competitive ideas if only hand full of STUBBORN people who think they're right all the time accept and implemnt COOKIE CUTTER/COPY CAT plans and shove it down our throats? What's good for the ICN is not good for the city. In fact, what's good for the ICN isn't really good for the ICN (as argued above).

There is no way that a hand full of people know all the answers, which is why citizenship participation is so important. Economies need to diversify to be competitive. Management teams need to diversify too. To be competitive you need a little bit of everything-- that way, if one industry or idea fails, you have many others to fall back on. You need disagreement at times, consensus at times, unity at times, etc. You also need to be creative and responsive, and Doherty is anything but.

We're trapped. On one hand, if we rely on the law we lose. The law protects the system of theft. On the other hand, when we use politics to fight Doherty we also lose, because his Irish political machine has the art of politics mastered.

Our only salvation is the dismantling of the ICN from within-- which is happening right before our very eyes. We can contribute to this dismantling more than we have. I will be posting my ideas of how to fight this system ( a dear friend of all of ours challanged me to be less of a bear anthropologist and more of a bear hunter).
dee dee

Gettysburg, PA

#15 Nov 13, 2008
I agree, Anti. We need to be the hunters of political corruption and political careers. These political thieves put their clothes on just like us, although their clothes may be nicer, except for Doherty (the Emperor) who has no clothes. But I for one, will no longer foot the bill for their nice clothes.
MistyMtTop

Gettysburg, PA

#16 Nov 13, 2008
Daron closing Scranton plant
BY JAMES HAGGERTY
STAFF WRITER

11/06/2007
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A masonry and concrete products manufacturer will close plants in Scranton and Ashley next year to consolidate operations at a new facility in Archbald.


Daron Northeast recently bought 62 acres in the former PEI Power Park for $1.04 million from the Scranton Lackawanna Industrial Building Co., the development branch of the Greater Scranton Chamber of Commerce.

The company plans to begin construction next spring on a 55,000-square-foot plant along Salem Road at the Archbald Business Park and transfer its 20 employees from Scranton and 20 from Ashley before production begins in February 2009, Daron Northeast General Manager Dave Lewis said.

The chamber reported the development will cost $6.5 million, but Mr. Lewis said the cost is undetermined.

The move centralizes Darons fragmented operations and will put to rest an ongoing tangle with nearby residents in the citys Green Ridge section who allege the plant is responsible for health hazards.

Daron, which is owned by James Keisling, Daniel Chermak and Craig Daron, bought the 16-acre former Eureka printing plant site at Electric Street and Dickson Avenue in 2001 for $126,000 from the Scranton Redevelopment Authority, which acquired the abandoned property through condemnation.

Daron invested $6.7 million in a new plant to manufacture concrete paving stones and retaining walls, but it came under fire from neighbors about truck traffic, dust and noise shortly after its opening in May 2003.

Darons upcoming move is a win for the people in the neighborhood who have not been happy with it, Mayor Chris Doherty said.

Mr. Lewis declined to discuss Darons ongoing friction with neighborhood residents, but a critic of the plant says it doesnt belong in a residential neighborhood.

Nobody wants to see a business leave the city. But in this respect, I dont think I can say Im sorry that they are going, said Gardner Avenue resident Daniel Hubbard, president of the Lower Green Ridge Neighborhood Association. The neighbors wont have to deal with over 100 trucks a day. Its certainly good news for the neighborhood.

Daron recently filed a slander suit against Mr. Hubbard and the neighborhood group in Lackawanna County Court, alleging the companys reputation has been harmed by false and malicious statements at City Council meetings.

The new plant will combine Darons operations at its 10,000-square-foot Ashley plant, which manufactures architectural block, and its 25,000-square-foot Scranton plant.

It makes more sense to have everyone and all of our resources at one location in order to be more efficient, Mr. Lewis said. The reason for us moving is because of our growth and the need for more production space.

Daron issued a statement saying it plans to convert the Green Ridge facility to a use that will be more suited to the neighborhood. The company is seeking a tenant to lease the building, Mr. Lewis said.

Thats a valuable piece of property that has been totally renovated, Mr. Doherty said. It will probably transform over from manufacturing to more white-collar use.

Contact the writer: [email protected]

ŠThe Times-Tribune 2007
Nobody

Gettysburg, PA

#17 Nov 13, 2008
Refresh my mind. When does the KOZ end? What has been said about businesses bailing before the KOZ runs out because they don't want to pay the city taxes? Who claimed these businesses would want to stay in Scranton?

Department heads bailing, KOZs bailing, professionals fed up with a lack of respect and no raises bailing, what is a mayor to do?

Let's hope he does what 10,000 residents have done since he became mayor- pack up his desk and announce he's bailing and let the rest of us do the real bailing- by closing all the leaks and bailing out the ship.

I believe our mayor will bail. It is my opinion, stated once again, that he will not cling to the mast but rather, jump over the side, confident the collision with the debt iceberg will sink the ship. When a more capable captain takes the wheel and has to undertake draconian measures to save the vessel, our current mayor will be there again, telling us how when he left, the boat was sailing calm seas.

Our current mayor will blame the next captain for the hurricane and offer a new captain of his choosing that will lead us to a safe port. But that is a nightmare for another tale of the sea.
weluvpa

Gettysburg, PA

#18 Nov 13, 2008
First I am willing to take your critizism, but what you have failed to notice since you just received chn 61 is that I have been going to these meetings for close to 3 years asking for some help for our neighborhood and well you feel that our problems are small I guess to us those of us that have never been flooded in a hundred years they are large and when we have to pay and pay for repairs to our houses while nothing as been done to correct the problem then my attitude is a direct result of years of nothing being for the residents of this city. My neighborhood encompasses 250 houses to me thats not small and we have NEVER been flooded before 2004 and that is why we are up in arms over this. Lets throw a enviromental hazardous company that is producing dust and airbourne aggregates that are seriously affecting peoples health not just in my neighborhood but in upper Greenridge as well. Watch these meetings and you will see that this council is inenpt and running circles around the constitution of the united states every meeting. Currently they are operating in violation of the home rule charter and the pa sushine act reagrading the right to address our government on agenda items in the city. Did you pay attention to tax fees and the penalties????? What about the fact the sewer increase and tax increase on the residents???? Are you aware of the debt $300,000,000 and what did we get for it? Paul even agress that it is excessive and unnecessary. You think my attitude is arrogant then put your self in my shoes and lets face it a sump pump issue is alot different then 2 feet of water in your first floor. When you kayak thru your house from one door to the other then maybe I will feel what you do until then please give me a break since you only watched one meeting. You see what I am up against and watch 3 years of meetings then you can tell me that I am wrong.

As far as who I socialize with and lawsuits, I am unaware what you are talking about, the only residents that I work with or talk to that have a pending lawsuit is the residents of Dickson Ave that have a pending nuisance action against Daron NE. I do not appreciate your reference and it is false. I have worked hard for years to build this assoc and to protect the residents of this neighborhood, I was elected to my position by unanimious vote. You can read into anything you want but when it comes down to it the welfare of the residents of this neighborhood is my first and only priority, anything else right now is someone elses job.

As far as my mother goes, its a open air playground and the benches are outside of the play area but the kids that were in their teens and performing sexual acts inside the playgound apperatius(sp?) is wrong and my son who is 8 does not need to see that. PERIOD My wife and my mother are aware of smoking around him and they do not smoke around him in any enclosed area.
Thanks for the input and if you are unhappy with the city or me then feel free to come to the meetings and speak your mind, it is your right.
weluvpa

Gettysburg, PA

#19 Nov 13, 2008
Ed the cities so called cameras don't even work. The software that is needed to run the system has NOT BEEN PURCHASED yet ( its been over 2 years) so they are basically useless. Councilman Courtright has been talking about that for over a year now. But when they went up they sure did milk them for the political PR didn't they.

Crime and violent crimes will continue to flourish in Scranton because we do not have the police that are needed to properly patrol the city.

This was right in downtown, the mayors little baby, and there is no way for the Times to spin this one off.

Someones grand pappy was nearly killed this morning and I find it disgusting that the mayor has allowed this city to get to this point. The part of town that this happened in isn't bad by any stretch.

Honestly its just disgusting that seniors cannot even go outside without having to worry about having their throats cut.

I can't wait to see how the cronies play this one.....CHS89/570717 where ya at buds?

50something there is alot about Scranton that you will never learn here on CD, too many rose colored glasses and not enough reality, the city is by no means dead but there is alot wrong regardless of what a few here will tell you.

Its not East Orange YET and its not Elizabeth YET but its on its way and right now there is no one at the wheel to steer it away from the coming disaster.

Chapter 11 and no police or fire is where I see it going if we don't get a change of admin soon.
weluvpa

Gettysburg, PA

#20 Nov 13, 2008
It could have happened in Antartica, but it didn't it happened here in our crime free city of Scranton. It happened here in the mayors pride and joy of a downtown and it happened during daylight hours.

No matter what happens here you will always defend it, because thats what good sheeple do.

Crime is on the upswing regardless of what you say and the very nature of the crime is becoming increasingly violent. I don't want to here that this is not unique to Scranton but guess what its happening and its happening while the mayor cuts our police force and its happening right here at home.

So I guess based on your train of thought because its not unique to Scranton then we should not be concerned about it, right? Drugs are not unique to Scranton either so we shouldn't be concerned about those, right?

How about gangs, they are not unique to Scranton either, should we be concerned?

Stabbings, murders, assaults all those are not unique to our city are they, but since they are everywhere we are ok right?

We will remember that.......Since violence, crime, murders, drugs, gangs are all over the country the residents in Scranton are safe and have nothing to fear.

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