Vote NO on Sept. 18 Amendment!

Vote NO on Sept. 18 Amendment!

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Your Neighbor

Guntersville, AL

#1 Sep 7, 2012
Visit http://www.alabamaVOICE.org for more information on why approving the Sept. 18 constitutional amendment vote is bad for you, and the rest of the State!
VOTE NO SEPT 18!
Jeff

Union Grove, AL

#2 Sep 7, 2012
This site looks very anti-Republican to me. Sems like he Democrats are trying every tactic they can this election cycle. Oh and the site mentioned above is ran by that guy thats mad at the courts for making im pay his child suort, you know the guy that was wanting to sue DHR and the judge in the case! Instead of spending al his money on lawyers shouldnt he have spent the money on his children by paying his child support? Some people are so backwards.
ThomasA

Pelham, AL

#3 Sep 7, 2012
Your Neighbor wrote:
Visit http://www.alabamaVOICE.org for more information on why approving the Sept. 18 constitutional amendment vote is bad for you, and the rest of the State!
VOTE NO SEPT 18!
Ok, now tell us your plan to keep up with state services that have already been cut back. Maybe you want the roads aand bridges left in disrepair and maybe lay off some stste troopers. Why not cut out social services and let those in need fall back on family,friends ,and churches. North Alabama is fairing well because of the auto industries and the growth from all the government work in Huntsville,but the remainder of the state is not so lucky. So with the overall revenues being down,and you not wanting to touch the money that you didn't contribute a penny to, please give us your plan to continue services without raising taxes,or maybe you had rather raise taxes. The floor is yours,have at it!
Jeff

Union Grove, AL

#4 Sep 7, 2012
ThomasA wrote:
<quoted text>Ok, now tell us your plan to keep up with state services that have already been cut back. Maybe you want the roads aand bridges left in disrepair and maybe lay off some stste troopers. Why not cut out social services and let those in need fall back on family,friends ,and churches. North Alabama is fairing well because of the auto industries and the growth from all the government work in Huntsville,but the remainder of the state is not so lucky. So with the overall revenues being down,and you not wanting to touch the money that you didn't contribute a penny to, please give us your plan to continue services without raising taxes,or maybe you had rather raise taxes. The floor is yours,have at it!
Thomas di you even read the pst? I did not say to vote yes did I? I simply stated that the website was anti-Republican in my opinion. Sorry but you cant argue with me about how I feel about something as I didnt try to portray anything I said as fact just an opinion. LOL!
But since you asked I dont think we should remove the money UNLESS/UNTIL the Legislator puts in in writing that they will put the money back!
Ted

Guntersville, AL

#5 Sep 7, 2012
Jeff wrote:
This site looks very anti-Republican to me. Sems like he Democrats are trying every tactic they can this election cycle. Oh and the site mentioned above is ran by that guy thats mad at the courts for making im pay his child suort, you know the guy that was wanting to sue DHR and the judge in the case! Instead of spending al his money on lawyers shouldnt he have spent the money on his children by paying his child support? Some people are so backwards.
What does any of that have to do with the amendment? I didn't read anything about child support or any of that other stuff. I do want to know more about this amendment, it's all so confusing!
ThomasA

Birmingham, AL

#7 Sep 9, 2012
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>Thomas di you even read the pst? I did not say to vote yes did I? I simply stated that the website was anti-Republican in my opinion. Sorry but you cant argue with me about how I feel about something as I didnt try to portray anything I said as fact just an opinion. LOL!
But since you asked I dont think we should remove the money UNLESS/UNTIL the Legislator puts in in writing that they will put the money back!
You're right on the last point. We need to use SOME of the money but there is no concrete requirement as to when or how we pay back the money when the economy picks back up,just a "promise" that it will be paid back. It reminds me of all the retirees who planned to live on the interest from savings that are having to dip into the principle to make ends meet. Next time you hit a crater that used to be just a little pothole, remember that the state has cut back on basic services like road repair and right of way cutting. If you have a child getting a drivers license, you have to go down before sunup and get in line ,then expect to wait most of the day on the one(1) person giving tests. Just two items that the state has trimmed.
Your Neighbor

Guntersville, AL

#8 Sep 11, 2012
Republican Senator Scott Beason weighs in on the Sept. 18 Amendment debate at The People's Advocate!

http://www.alabamaVOICE.org
Citizen

Albertville, AL

#9 Sep 15, 2012
we need a complete restructuring of our taxes in Alabama. Right now the top 1% pay a little over 4% of total income in various taxes. The middle 60% pays a little over 8% of total income in various taxes. The poorest 20% pays over 10% of total income in various taxes. All the so called 'fees' hit the poor and middle classes hardest. The rich are not paying their fair share. Raiding the savings account is not an answer, only a quick solution so that the legislature doesn't have to actually do their job.
Fred

Union Grove, AL

#10 Sep 15, 2012
I agree with Citizen that raiding the trust fund is not the answer! They did it before and they never changed their spending habits! Make them reduce some of their spending!

And a flat income tax across the board regardless of income is what is needed! That way there will be no loopholes for the "rich".
Citizen

Albertville, AL

#11 Sep 16, 2012
Income tax is the least of it. Property taxes and all the other local and state taxes are the biggest parts of the problem.
Citizen

Albertville, AL

#12 Sep 16, 2012
Alabama taxes - see bottom of page 2 and pages 16-17

http://www.itepnet.org/whopays3.pdf
Fred

Union Grove, AL

#14 Sep 16, 2012
Citizen wrote:
Income tax is the least of it. Property taxes and all the other local and state taxes are the biggest parts of the problem.
Hard to tell what your exact complaint is to be frank. I dont know many people I would consider "poor" that own property to pay taxes on so I am not sure how property taxes fits into it. What other local and state taxes are you speaking of? Sales taxes? If you are saying that the "rich" should pay a higher sales tax than the "poor" I would have to disagree with you.

As far as income taxes go the only "fair" way I have ever come across is the fair tax. Everyone is taxed on every item they buy at a set rate, there fore elimating any loopholes in the income tax laws. The "poor" would get rebate checks every month based on their income so essentially they wouldnt be taxed at the same rate as everyone else in the long run.

But I am sure someone will not like this idea as it doesnt "punish" the "rich" to bring them "down" to the levels of everyone else. Am I right?
Fred

Union Grove, AL

#15 Sep 16, 2012
Citizen wrote:
Alabama taxes - see bottom of page 2 and pages 16-17
http://www.itepnet.org/whopays3.pdf
The pages Citizen is referring to would be labeled pg 2 on the report but it will be page 8 or 9 depending on which document viewer you use. They list 10 most "regressive" state income taxes, but 6 of the listed states have none or very little income taxes (this according to their own table on pg 5 of the report.) It seems the people who put the report together feel as though the "rich" should be taxed at a higher rate than the "poor" or you are not "progressive"
Fred

Union Grove, AL

#16 Sep 16, 2012
Citizen wrote:
Alabama taxes - see bottom of page 2 and pages 16-17
http://www.itepnet.org/whopays3.pdf
I would ave to say this report is flawed as they make it seem as the "rich" pay less in taxes based on their income when the report is actually showing what percentage of their income is spent on paying taxes, it makes it look as though they "poor" are taxed at a much higher rate when in fact they are not. An example is they show the lowest income bracket with an average of $10,400 per year and having them pay $135.20 in property taxes. Ok so how can someone making 10K a year afford a home? They cant. So they rent right? Renters dont pay property taxes! They also show that the lowest income bracket pays 1.1% in income taxes. I presonally know people that make this amount of money from their job and they get a tax REFUND of over $5000.00 every year. So how can they be paying in 1.1%(which would be $114.40) When they are actualyl paying Negative %50?

The report goes on to say that "Narrow income tax brackets mean MAJORITY of taxpayers pay TOP income tax rate", "Offers an income tax deduction for federal income taxes paid" and "Sales tas base includes groceries" So whats wrong with that?
Fred

Union Grove, AL

#17 Sep 16, 2012
Not surprising the group that puts this "report" out is known to be a socialist driven group. A quote from Tax Analysts in 2006 said "ITEP is generally described as left-leaning in its policy positions and recommendations" So once again we have the socialist's telling us that we need things "fair" across the board?

Let me ask you this, would you really keep working as hard as you do now if you knew that the government was going to take away a higher percentage of your income and give it to those with less so that we can all be"fair"? For example if Joe makes $40,000 a year and Bob makes $20,000 a year would you be ok with the government taking $10,00 from Joe and give that $10,000 to Bob so that Joe and Bob would be equal? If you said yes, Imagine you were Joe......you wouldnt like it would you? Or maybe you would. If you liked that idea or think its "fair" or the "right" thing to do then guess what? You are a socialist or fascist, take your pick but you are not an American anymore.
Citizen

Albertville, AL

#18 Sep 17, 2012
The very idea of paying sales tax on food is regressive. Many states exempt the necessities of life like food, clothing, medicines, and books. They tax 'luxuries' instead. The food tax is responsible for a good portion of the very high tax rate that the poor pay compared to the wealthy.

The other problem is all the taxes that are called 'fees' hit the poor more than the wealthy.

Many people in Alabama are 'land poor'- they have little income, but have inherited a home from their parents, that is why they pay property taxes when their income is so low, not because they went out and bought a house. Should they be forced to sell their only asset so that wealthy forestry interests can avoid paying property taxes?

The other problem is the corporate tax rate. Some of these companies pay minimum wages with no benefits. We the taxpayers end up supporting the corporations by paying their workers through food stamps and medicaid while they reap huge profits and contribute little or nothing to the state. I think there should be a special tax on corporations to require them to pay back to the state everything that we are giving to their workers, in addition to raising the corporate tax rate and eliminating loopholes.
Citizen

Albertville, AL

#19 Sep 17, 2012
Fred, The correct question should be "If someone earns $2 million a year should they pay more or less than middle class working people to help the hungry?"
Fred

Union Grove, AL

#20 Sep 17, 2012
Citizen wrote:
Fred, The correct question should be "If someone earns $2 million a year should they pay more or less than middle class working people to help the hungry?"
Are you talking less in dollars or percentage of income? IF someone making 2 million a year pays just 15%(the mythical 15% Warren Buffett speaks of) then they are paying $300,000.00 is that not enough? But lets all be real for a moment, the ONLY reason Warren Buffett pays just 15% in taxes is because he receives only $1 for salaray and the REST of his COMPENSATION is in stock and stock options which is considered cpaital gains and it is taxed at 15%. So dont be fooled by the smoke and mirrors. For a married couple filing join returns and you make between $17,400 and $70,700 you only pay.........15% in taxes! So how is that so bad? The middle class are paying the same as the ultra rich Warren Buffett! How can you complain?????? If you make over $388,000 a year for a married couple filing jointly you pay.......35%! Thats 35 cents on every dollar goes to the federal government!!!!!!!!!So if you make 388K you only have 252K after federal taxes! I am not taking out state, local, or SSI.
Fred

Union Grove, AL

#21 Sep 17, 2012
So if you are married and filing joint returns you are taxed at the following rates:

Tax rate Income

10%$0-$17,400
15%$17,400-$70,700
25%$70,700-$142,700
28%$142,700-$217,450
33%$217,450-$388,350
35%$388,350 and up

How is this not fair? Lets remember that if you live below the poverty level that you will get a refund that will be well over what you paid in for taxes. If I manage to get into the top tax bracket keep in mind I still have to pay state income and SSI so I will be taxed at about 50% of my pay. How is this fair? They are punishing the people that achieve!

But all this is just a distraction folks! The teachers and all state employyes want you to vote yes for this amendment, but you need to think back the stte raided the fund before and they NEVER put the money back! Now they are wanting to RAID it again with nothing more than a "promise" to pay it back in the next 10 years. If they need 157 million a year for the next three years how do they think they are going to come up with 50 million a year for 10 years to pay back what they raided? Answer is.....They cant and wont!Vote NO, make Montgomery responsible to us! The taxpayers and voters of the Great State of Alabama!!!!!!!!
Citizen

Albertville, AL

#22 Sep 17, 2012
Capital Gains tax used to be well above the tax rate for the middle class. That only changed under Bush. To tax Capital Gains at a lower rate than work, means that Republican America does not really value work. The Bush tax cuts for the wealthy include that as well as the regular income tax rate. We have had years to see that trickle down economics don't work, even before Bush II. Income tax is NOT the only tax to be considered.

The Alabama legislature decided to rob our savings rather than raise taxes on those who pay less than their fair share. This is no solution to the problem, it only defunds roads, schools, etc. while kicking the can down the road.

I totally agree with voting NO, but for entirely different reasons.

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