Apopka stalls vote on town center pro...

Apopka stalls vote on town center proposal after request for mo...

There are 19 comments on the The Orlando Sentinel story from Dec 9, 2007, titled Apopka stalls vote on town center proposal after request for mo.... In it, The Orlando Sentinel reports that:

Plans for a new town center near downtown Apopka may be in limbo after City Council members were told they had to spend an extra $3 million to buy more land that could make or break the project.

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Captain Falco

Orlando, FL

#1 Dec 14, 2007
I was sitting in traffic today, where 436 merges into 441 and I thought it would be a great idea to put the Apopka town center right there. Sitting in traffic is one of the most fun activities next to... lets say, going to my local dentist to get a root canal.

After that I went to one of my favorite places to eat on the corner of Lake and 441. While eating I was gazing at the commuter's going home and I could see the joy on their faces as they sat in traffic. I could hear their thoughts, "Oh boy, TRAFFIC! I wish this would back up all the way to Zellwood." How can we make this a reality.

The person that picked this placement most not have taken any traffic analisis into account. Why would the city own 102 acres over on Lake Marshal which has access to the 429, John Land expressway, and 441, yet pay out $266,000 an acre to personal friends, with more property needed in the future?

Stick to your guns Mr. Arrowsmith, there are Apopka City residents who really do care.
Supportive Apopka Res

Naples, FL

#2 Jan 6, 2008
Most cities, when they develope a "Downtown" project, usually do it in an area called Downtown. I don't think it is the cities intention to move the center of the city to lake marshall.
How long have you lived in Florida? The last time I checked Traffic has been a problem everywhere in Florida and is certainly not limited to downtown Apopka. I think we should probably move all that development to the Lake Marshall area. This would allow the city to increase the traffic in that area. NOT!! The John Land Expressway is suppose to relieve some of the traffic going through Apopka to Zellwood. We certainly don't need to build a new city their to increase the traffic in that area. With your plan the traffic would be backed up to Zellwood and you would get into the traffic sooner.
Sorry to see you can't figure out that it isn't where the city puts their Town Center that is causing the problem. It is the rapid growth in the area without proper roads being put in to handle the increase in traffic. This is not just a problem in Apopka.
Last thought, if your favorite place to eat is at the corner of Lake and 441. You really need to get out more. You should try one of those other roads you mentioned and expand your senses especially taste. Your eyesight seems to be fine You can see traffic and expressions on peoples faces while driving home. Hearing also seem to be fine you could hear their thoughts, now that is hearing like what..... "Superman" Wow I think I change your name no more CAPTAIN FAlCO. Your Superman Flakeo.

Get with the program Mr. Arrowsmith. There are Citizens who really do care.
Apopka resident

Ocala, FL

#3 Feb 8, 2008
We defeintely need to do somtehing to compete with Winter Garden, Altaomonte Springs and Winter Park, all have beautiful places for "their" residents to go for leisure and entertainment. Just like the mayor, Mr. Arrowsmith has been in his position too long and does not have a progressive thought in his head. Apopka is in a prime location and the timing is right to step up and develop something the city can be proud of. As for Captain Falco please learn to spell "analysis" before you attempt to analyze any situation.
Supportive Apopka Res

Orlando, FL

#4 Feb 9, 2008
Apopka resident wrote:
We defeintely need to do somtehing to compete with Winter Garden, Altaomonte Springs and Winter Park, all have beautiful places for "their" residents to go for leisure and entertainment. Just like the mayor, Mr. Arrowsmith has been in his position too long and does not have a progressive thought in his head. Apopka is in a prime location and the timing is right to step up and develop something the city can be proud of. As for Captain Falco please learn to spell "analysis" before you attempt to analyze any situation.
I agree people in Apopka don't want to drive a long distance to have fun or eat. We would all like to have nice facilities close to our home. For too long we have survived on the fast food industry in Apopka. I welcome any change that will bring something to eat besides a Mcwendys sandwich. We have seen so many changes in our city. Anybody that has not been out to the recreation complex off Poncan Rd is missing out on a wonderful place to walk play sports or just have some time for your self. The city really did a great job their. With these improvement I expect we will draw more money into our community.
Resident

Naples, FL

#5 Jun 5, 2008
I am all in favor of more to do in Apopka...as long as it doesn't involve another dollar store or nail salon. I live hear the new Staples and was excited to see what was going to go into that retail space. Low and behold a dollar store, nail salon, pizza place. Honestly, do we really need more of these places? How are they staying in business? There can't be THAT much of a demand for it. Also, did we really need another Chili's? Yes the other one was crowded, but it would have been less crowded with another option such as a Carrabbas, Olive Garden, Fridays, ANYTHING else.

It is time for a change in Apopka, and it needs to start with the city staff first.
Loren

Winter Springs, FL

#6 Jan 11, 2010
I have lived in Apopka for 42 years. I remember a town that rolled up the streets at dark, nothing was open on Sunday and most of the local retail businesses were family owned. I remember the hustle and bustle of Central Ave. Bi-Lo market, Freezes Ice house, Blackwelders Department store, Lumber Jack and many others that are gone now. Growing up downtown was the center of activity. We are missing that today and Central Ave is practically a ghost town and most of the stores are gone. Apopka government has had a backwards mentality for years and most of these people on in the city government have been there way to long. Apopka needs to move forward before its just another Forest City. Don't remember Forest City? It's now called Altamonte Springs. What about HuntClub. It's now Apopka. If you want fast food and low paying retail jobs, Apopka is the poster child for a non progressive city. By the way they talk money. Apopkas income from property taxes has risen faster and higher than any other central Florida city.
Not the same Apopka

Winter Springs, FL

#7 Jan 12, 2010
Loren wrote:
I have lived in Apopka for 42 years. I remember a town that rolled up the streets at dark, nothing was open on Sunday and most of the local retail businesses were family owned. I remember the hustle and bustle of Central Ave. Bi-Lo market, Freezes Ice house, Blackwelders Department store, Lumber Jack and many others that are gone now. Growing up downtown was the center of activity. We are missing that today and Central Ave is practically a ghost town and most of the stores are gone. Apopka government has had a backwards mentality for years and most of these people on in the city government have been there way to long. Apopka needs to move forward before its just another Forest City. Don't remember Forest City? It's now called Altamonte Springs. What about HuntClub. It's now Apopka. If you want fast food and low paying retail jobs, Apopka is the poster child for a non progressive city. By the way they talk money. Apopkas income from property taxes has risen faster and higher than any other central Florida city.
Apopka needs change. No one wants to run against Mayor Land. Do you really think he runs the city. Think again. March 9 is election day to vote in two new city council members. Seat 1 Barb Zakszewski and seat 2 Sammy Ruth. Election number turnouts over the years have not been very good. We need to change that and vote in new faces, new ideas and maybe things might change.
Betrayed

United States

#8 Jan 14, 2010
Is this what you think?

"It is not difficult to deceive the first time, for the deceived possesses no antibodies; unvaccinated by suspicion, she overlooks lateness, accepts absurd excuses, permits the flimsiest patching to repair great rents in the quotidian." ~John Updike

Don't believe it. She is smarter than you think - Before it is too late, ask yourself - Is it really worth what it might cost?
Smarter in Apopka

United States

#9 Jan 14, 2010
Betrayed - Maybe you aren't as smart as you think you are. Maybe YOU aren't worth it.
Supportive Apopka Res

Winter Springs, FL

#10 Jan 18, 2010
Loren,
Do you have any Idea of how long ago these business's were here?? Most of these closed in the early eighties. Better than 25 to thirty years ago. Blackwelder's Department store couldn't compete with the Mall that went in in Altamonte. Bi-Lo, let face it the were very small and served most of the South Apopka residents. Free's Ice house went out of business because people didn't support getting Ice there anymore. Now I don't know if that was from new commercial ice machines that were being made or if Mr. Free wanted to retire and his son's didn't want to take over the business. Either way it did in fact also close. Lumber Jack closed after Home Depot and Lowe's opened in Altamonte Springs and Apopka. Do you ever wonder why Stores like Home Depot, the Mall or Lowes opened. It is because the city and the surrounding cities GREW. It makes small time Mom & Pop stores and business shut down because they cannot compete with the large commercial operators. Wow we lost Thrift Way too. Why, because Winn Dixie opened. Remember where they opened??? Right behind BI-Lo accross from City Hall. A year later the other stores were closed. So really why is this the City Governments fault? Is it the Cities administrations fault because the City of Apopka GREW? If it did it seems to me the City Administration was doing SOMETHING right. New Companies were moving in to the City, and residents like you and I supported those new businesses and the others went by the wayside. In economics they call that progress. Sorry you don't like the growth of the city. But people moved here because they DID like what the city was doing. That is why we have Rock Spring Ridge, The Palms, Errol Estate, and any of the hundred housing complexes that came to Apopka. Growth, Jobs, Infrastructure, Security, Things to Do. Fire Protection, Police Protection, Garbage Service, Youth Activities. Even a damn park to walk your dog, if that don't beat all!! All of this by a City Administration so out of touch. I think you are the one that is out of touch, or more like living in the PAST. Last, Income from property taxes has in fact risen another sign that our City Administrators have done their jobs. However, lets not forget that while those revenues increased so did the SIZE of the City of Apopka. New properties were Annexed in every year. Each property that was annexed in also took money that was being paid to Orange County and Gave it to the City of Apopka. That way the city didn't have to depend on Orange County for services. Services that are provide by the City of Apopka CHEAPER than Orange County or any other incorporated city in the area if not in the State. So I am really not sure what planet you are from!! But this is what a good city government does. I also know that Apopka is one if not the only city the consistently operates in the Black. No deficits, no wondering hope the employees are going to get paid, no borrowing of funds to support the day to day operations of the city. Now that is what I call a City Administration watching out for it's taxpayers. If anything this city is a poster for how to be a progressive city. Moving forward Is why your past is missing.
Apopka Redneck

AOL

#11 Jan 20, 2010
Obviously Loren liked Apopka the way it was when he was growing up and obviously Supporter is an Apopka crony klick member that thinks that fast food, banks, nail salons and other low paying jobs is progress. Both can be right, it's what they each preceive and it is their reality. There was a time in Apopka if you didn't have the right last name, you were sub human in this town. Now the city has grown, become more modern and everyone is treated with equal contempt by city government and workers it doesn't matter who you are.
Loren

AOL

#12 Jan 20, 2010
I don't know who Supporter or redneck are but the only thing that is obvious is you don't know the your facts. From 1978 to 1985, Apopka was declared the drug capital of Central Florida by the FDLE and the Orlando Sentinal. Blackwelder's was the first to be effected by the crime and drugs that were running rampid from Main Street to 13th Street (Taylor Apartments) and Park Ave to Cleveland. They gave up because people would not come to the area, shop lifters and the recession of the day. The second to go was Winn Dixie at the corner of 5th and Park which moved to the corner of Sheeler and 436 (now gone). The city made promises to the remaining businesses to clean up the area. So Richard built the new LumberJack. LumberJack did not sell out until 3 or 4 years ago when it was sold to Ace Hardware because the city in cleaning up Central also drove out the home town business. Subsequently Bi-lo, Freezes, Vita's all closed. Partins market sold, HRS moved in and out of the old Winn Dixie. As far as Thriftway. Thriftway was owned by Jimmy Pitchford who also owned a store in Winter Garden and 13 Magic Markets. Pitchford opened a store on Hwy 50 in Union Park and spent 5 mil. to open it. Upon it's failure it cost him the Apopka Store and all 13 of the Magic Markets. Thriftway consistantly out prefromed Winn Dixie in generated revenue. Plus Pitchford got caught in a vender coupon scam and was under investigation. But back to the point of my first post. What is going to be in the new town center and what is it going to do to the 436 441 area? knowone seems to have that answer or at least it's not published where you can find it. By the way if you can't put your name on it why say it. Obviously you don't want anyone to know who you are. Even when I am wrong I'm not afraid to say who I am and what I believe.
Life is great

Winter Springs, FL

#13 Jan 21, 2010
Betrayed wrote:
Is this what you think?
"It is not difficult to deceive the first time, for the deceived possesses no antibodies; unvaccinated by suspicion, she overlooks lateness, accepts absurd excuses, permits the flimsiest patching to repair great rents in the quotidian." ~John Updike
Don't believe it. She is smarter than you think - Before it is too late, ask yourself - Is it really worth what it might cost?
You wrote the book on deception better yet your other half wrote the bible on it. You get what you give!
Apk born 83

Orlando, FL

#14 Mar 6, 2010
It looks as if they are going to build the town center. I see a site crew doing some land clearing. I do think they will have to come up with a creative way to merge the 8 lanes of 463 with 4 lanes of 441 and still be able to use both sides of the intersection effectively.
Do you guys remember Liggetts? that place was great it was like a Walgreen's and diner in one. Also, I would like to start a petition to tear down that eye sore of a Budget Inn in downtown Apopka I hate looking at that gross place...
Loren

AOL

#15 Mar 7, 2010
I still cannot find anything that says what is going to be in this thing or what is it going to look like. Does anyone have that information? I am not against the Town Center, in fact I say it's about time. We need it, but I have a customer that is in the property department of Darden and he said they won't come to Apopka. So what's going to be there? If it's more Townsends, Highland Manor type resturants then it will be a dud. Even Barnhills has better food and service than Highland Manor. Is it going to be like Winter Gardens new town center. Why is it such a secret?
As far as the Budget Inn next to the old Liggetts, it is a privately own business, if you want it gone buy it and tear it down. I agree it would not be a lose, along with the unsightly Masons lodge, closed gas station and trailor park right as you come into town.
Loren

AOL

#16 Mar 7, 2010
The Apopka Planter announced that Mayor Land was automatically elected to another term by defaulf, due to knowone running against him. Which I think is fine. I love Uncle John and hope and pray for his continued health and service. He never knows a strainger and has always had an open door for everyone. But that said, God forbid something happen to him. Who will fill his office until the next election. I have heard that the counsel plans to do away with the mayors office when he retires and just have a city manager. Is that true?
TMac

Orlando, FL

#17 Aug 13, 2011
Supportive Apopka Res wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree people in Apopka don't want to drive a long distance to have fun or eat. We would all like to have nice facilities close to our home. For too long we have survived on the fast food industry in Apopka. I welcome any change that will bring something to eat besides a Mcwendys sandwich. We have seen so many changes in our city. Anybody that has not been out to the recreation complex off Poncan Rd is missing out on a wonderful place to walk play sports or just have some time for your self. The city really did a great job their. With these improvement I expect we will draw more money into our community.
The city did an excellent job on field of dreams facility. However, it is 4.3 miles from my house downtown Apopka. We all need to realize where downtown is !
TMac

Orlando, FL

#18 Aug 14, 2011
Loren wrote:
I have lived in Apopka for 42 years. I remember a town that rolled up the streets at dark, nothing was open on Sunday and most of the local retail businesses were family owned. I remember the hustle and bustle of Central Ave. Bi-Lo market, Freezes Ice house, Blackwelders Department store, Lumber Jack and many others that are gone now. Growing up downtown was the center of activity. We are missing that today and Central Ave is practically a ghost town and most of the stores are gone. Apopka government has had a backwards mentality for years and most of these people on in the city government have been there way to long. Apopka needs to move forward before its just another Forest City. Don't remember Forest City? It's now called Altamonte Springs. What about HuntClub. It's now Apopka. If you want fast food and low paying retail jobs, Apopka is the poster child for a non progressive city. By the way they talk money. Apopkas income from property taxes has risen faster and higher than any other central Florida city.
I don't agree with the property taxes increasing, but definitly agree Apopka needs something besides dollar stores, pawn shops, fast food and convenience stores ! From what I have seen, City Council and "Staff" run every potential NICE restaurant out of the city because either they don't like the color of the roof or the plants are not right for their satisfaction. It's the same thing as in the early days......we don't want trailors next to our homes..but GEE people....these are not trailors ! These are Great Restaurants with economic growth and jobs wanting to move in here and all you people do is talk about (colors)? Bye the way.........the alcohol thing........We all know Apopka owns the screen house @ the old Muck Farms where alcohol is consumed ! Why do you think a fireman was deliberatly 'torched' there ! We are NOT idiots ! Get your head out of your Ars and give the citizens of Apopka what they want !
Seen Their game before

Orlando, FL

#19 Aug 14, 2011
Individual tax rates did not increase but the number of houses did, so more revenue. I learned a few weeks age that we were getting a Waffle House and two new race trak gas station, another dollar general and one more family dollar store. Man we'll need more illegals to work these places. Not to mention the Asian Super Buffet and whats up with the city buying the barnhills building and UCF renting it for some type of incubtion facility, incubating what? I do understand also that Richard Anderson said he will block any major retail mall construction off Plymouth Sorrento road until the town center is built. Hey Richard if you want this thing built you need to turn it over to a developer that can build itand stop playing with your cronies and trying to make them rich. By the way I wounder how much they are paying the mayor for his house right dead center of the project. Ah, gotta love the cronies in Apopka. I'm sure Arrowsmith and the gang will have the honey drips over the profit in this one.

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