State gun law opponents expecting lar...

State gun law opponents expecting large turnout for Gouverneur rally

There are 263 comments on the mpcourier.com story from Mar 17, 2013, titled State gun law opponents expecting large turnout for Gouverneur rally. In it, mpcourier.com reports that:

Next month Gouverneur will be the focal point of the latest protest to the state's recently passed gun law.

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Bodecia

Ogdensburg, NY

#229 Apr 15, 2013
The 2nd Amendment is not really about guns, per se. Its about FREEDOM. For those who focus purely on the gun issue, it is just a way to attempt to wriggle out of this fact. Whether you do or do not agree with gun ownership or gun reform is irrelevant. What is important is YOUR RIGHT TO HAVE ONE. The rights set down in the Constitution are what this country was built upon, and once they are chipped away at, who knows which one is next? Freedom of speech? The right to trial by jury? Who knows?

Name calling, childish jibes toward each other do not make a jot of difference and is really a waste of time and effort. Standing up for the Constitution is what is important. For those who focus purely on the gun issue, please try and see the bigger picture here!

Since: Dec 12

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#230 Apr 15, 2013
Bodecia wrote:
The 2nd Amendment is not really about guns, per se. Its about FREEDOM. For those who focus purely on the gun issue, it is just a way to attempt to wriggle out of this fact. Whether you do or do not agree with gun ownership or gun reform is irrelevant. What is important is YOUR RIGHT TO HAVE ONE. The rights set down in the Constitution are what this country was built upon, and once they are chipped away at, who knows which one is next? Freedom of speech? The right to trial by jury? Who knows?
Name calling, childish jibes toward each other do not make a jot of difference and is really a waste of time and effort. Standing up for the Constitution is what is important. For those who focus purely on the gun issue, please try and see the bigger picture here!
The 2nd Amendment is just that, an AMENDMENT. It wasn't in the original Constitution. We change the Constitution through Amendments periodically. The 2nd Amendment is not holy writ. It can be changed or dropped altogether. Just keep that in mind when you start spouting absolutist nonsense about rights and freedoms being curtailed. Nothing people do is immutable. If the political winds and public opinion blow in a certain direction hard enough, the 2nd Amendment will be abolished. I'm not saying that's good or bad. You obviously think that would be the END OF THE WORLD! Shudder. I'm just making the point that the Constitution is what we the people through our elected representatives make it to be and it does change over time.
Bodecia

Ogdensburg, NY

#231 Apr 17, 2013
OperationBagration wrote:
<quoted text>
The 2nd Amendment is just that, an AMENDMENT. It wasn't in the original Constitution. We change the Constitution through Amendments periodically. The 2nd Amendment is not holy writ. It can be changed or dropped altogether. Just keep that in mind when you start spouting absolutist nonsense about rights and freedoms being curtailed. Nothing people do is immutable. If the political winds and public opinion blow in a certain direction hard enough, the 2nd Amendment will be abolished. I'm not saying that's good or bad. You obviously think that would be the END OF THE WORLD! Shudder. I'm just making the point that the Constitution is what we the people through our elected representatives make it to be and it does change over time.
You miss my point completely. Apart from anything else, the right to bear arms way preceeded the Bill of Rights anyway and was in effect in this country long before the War of Independence. This fact notwithstanding, erosion of rights is a slow, back door way of eroding civil liberties in general. Once one is eroded, whats to stop the rest being? If you choose to live in a country where we slide down the slippery slope to socialism feel free. I myself would prefer to live in a society that respected its origins and upheld the foundations it was built on.
roflwaffle

Rome, NY

#232 Apr 17, 2013
roger spencer wrote:
<quoted text>The guns of good, honest, hard working,tax paying Americans will never kill anyone. We don't need a law to get us to do the right thing. The killer and rapist in Clay N.Y. broke many laws. Do you think one more would have stopped him? We have lots of gun laws already. Enough is enough. The laws will only effect good people. If someone is willing to murder I don't think that they will stop because of a gun law. That would be like not being able to get away after you rob a bank because you won't break the speed limit. Use your head. Taking my gun even if it will shoot 1000 rounds per minute won't save anyone. My guns aren't used to kill people. Some golf some bowl some fish some love cars. I like guns. It is a harmless hobby.
yea, except the like, 10000 or so times in the last few years when the guns of good, hard working, honest, taxpaying americans completely fked up peoples skulls by, you know, being shot through them. get a clue, dumbass. you think think weapons are ok for anyone to get? look at the fking boston marathon. now there are plenty of perfectly fine, normal people who dont misuse bombs. you cant punish "bomb lovers" because a few people go and kill a whole bunch of people and hurt 3 times as many. get off my rights. your trying to take my freedoms. fucking nitwit. now you know how you sound.
roflwaffle

Rome, NY

#233 Apr 17, 2013
Bodecia wrote:
<quoted text>You miss my point completely. Apart from anything else, the right to bear arms way preceeded the Bill of Rights anyway and was in effect in this country long before the War of Independence. This fact notwithstanding, erosion of rights is a slow, back door way of eroding civil liberties in general. Once one is eroded, whats to stop the rest being? If you choose to live in a country where we slide down the slippery slope to socialism feel free. I myself would prefer to live in a society that respected its origins and upheld the foundations it was built on.
you have literally no reason or reference for thinking this way. get a grip. people who claim that someone is going to come beat down their doors once guns are taken away are out of touch nit wits who belong in a backwoods noplace because they arent smart enough to do things like run the world with the rest of the educated human race. you want to respect origins? start buying and selling blacks. thats respecting what the country was "built upon". you want to uphold that? it used to be completely legal. USED to be. was it right? trick question for you, im sure. socialism isnt profitable. if you actually knew what it was, you would know that. capitalism is. capitalism needs freedoms to do things, the kind of freedoms a DEMOCRACY will allow. GET A FKING CLUE. you know whats stronger than retarded ass backwards americans infatuation with guns? MONEY. get a new excuse to keep your guns, yours is pathetic.
roflwaffle

Rome, NY

#235 Apr 17, 2013
OperationBagration wrote:
<quoted text>
I think your view of public opinion is affected by group think. You live in a large, rural county. Most people live in urban counties. Just because most people around you think the way you do about a particular subject, does not mean most Americans have the same opinion. So you incorrectly conclude the government is acting out of step with public sentiment, when it is not. A clear majority favor increased background checks, and new restrictions on assault weapons and magazines.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/21/gun-...
^^^dis guy
Bodecia

Ogdensburg, NY

#236 Apr 17, 2013
roflwaffle wrote:
<quoted text>
you have literally no reason or reference for thinking this way. get a grip. people who claim that someone is going to come beat down their doors once guns are taken away are out of touch nit wits who belong in a backwoods noplace because they arent smart enough to do things like run the world with the rest of the educated human race. you want to respect origins? start buying and selling blacks. thats respecting what the country was "built upon". you want to uphold that? it used to be completely legal. USED to be. was it right? trick question for you, im sure. socialism isnt profitable. if you actually knew what it was, you would know that. capitalism is. capitalism needs freedoms to do things, the kind of freedoms a DEMOCRACY will allow. GET A FKING CLUE. you know whats stronger than retarded ass backwards americans infatuation with guns? MONEY. get a new excuse to keep your guns, yours is pathetic.
Sigh...again, you miss the point. If you stopped focussing on purely the gun issue for a moment you may actually see what I am driving at. The issue is NOT whether you wish to own a gun or not; it is whether you wish to have the RIGHT to own one or not. Not once in my posts have I stated I am either in favor for or against guns. My opinion is based on freedom of choice, whatever it may be. I see you are simply another poster who reverts back to bad language and personal insults instead of debating the issue at hand.
Informed Voter

Ogdensburg, NY

#237 Apr 17, 2013
The 2nd is nothing about gun control or saving lives or anything to do with hunting...the 2nd was placed there by our founding fathers to be sure the rest of the constitution remains in place...without the 2nd the rest will be gone as well. Gun control has been proven over and over again that it DOES NOT SAVE LIVES...and FBI reports show a huge rise in violent crimes after such laws are in place...do you think that millions would have thought Hitler would kill as he did AFTER GUN REGISTRATION..and then CONFISCATION of guns....Do you think the people of RUSSIA thought 1000s would die AFTER Stalin REGISTERED and then CONFISCATED guns....Same in China....same in North Korea....It is WEAK minded people that think they are safe and will be spared....true guns do not keep the government in check ...but it does represent a huge mountain to climb if the government chooses to take that route.
The PEOPLE of America spoke again today as they have so many times in the past, they voted AGAINST all three major gun laws and stood up once again for Civil liberties and the Constitution that this nation was built on.

Gun control is not about controlling guns and is EVERYTHING about control of the people.

2014 we vote out ALL that oppose the 2nd and/or any of the the constitution they ARE SWORN to uphold.

If any do not believe this do your own research like an informed person does and join the RIGHT side. Stand with Rand 2016
Bodecia

Ogdensburg, NY

#238 Apr 17, 2013
For our Rights wrote:
If our governor, president, and legislators want strict gun control laws to prevent deaths, then how about strict alcohol laws to prevent DWI accidents that kill people. Notice that Cuomo and Obama say nothing about restricting alcohol.
There are approximately 10,000 DWI deaths a year.
Good point.
roflwaffle

Rome, NY

#240 Apr 17, 2013
Bodecia wrote:
<quoted text>Sigh...again, you miss the point. If you stopped focussing on purely the gun issue for a moment you may actually see what I am driving at. The issue is NOT whether you wish to own a gun or not; it is whether you wish to have the RIGHT to own one or not. Not once in my posts have I stated I am either in favor for or against guns. My opinion is based on freedom of choice, whatever it may be. I see you are simply another poster who reverts back to bad language and personal insults instead of debating the issue at hand.
suggesting that taking away peoples right to shoot the fk out of each other with guns is beneficial to the country and society is pretty enlightened. suggesting that taking that right from people is somehow the slow erosion of our REAL BASIC rights in some attempt to turn the government into another form of government is mentally fking retarded. absolutely nobody with any understanding of modern america feels that is an actual possibility. people need to actually get real. and realize that they are more dangerous than they are beneficial. and because you like to hold them, or shoot targets with them, doesnt amount to hill of beans in comparison to the threat they create. you need to obey a speed limit. is that the erosion of basic rights as well? or is it a common sense countermeasure to control people who cant control themselves? id be willing to bet that people claimed speed limit implementation was a communist socialist erosion of basic rights. doesnt mean they know a fking thing.
roflwaffle

Rome, NY

#241 Apr 17, 2013
Bodecia wrote:
<quoted text>Good point.
they are called traffic laws. there are entire groups of hundreds of people who deal with moderating and administering them yearly. are you 12?
The man

East Granby, CT

#242 Apr 17, 2013
Look what happened in Boston. Gun restrictions do not make the world safer.
Informed Voter

Ogdensburg, NY

#243 Apr 18, 2013
roflwaffle your the one that does not know anything your talking about ..you should stop posting and just let everyone THINK your a fool ..rather than post and remove all and any doubt ...enough said ...your clueless and uninformed ..it is people like you that are SHEEPLE that got this country into the mess it is in ...do us a favor STAY in SYR. the highest murder rate of any city in NY and one of the very highest in the country ....you need to learn to read something beside Topix ,.,,,lmfao
Informed Voter

Ogdensburg, NY

#244 Apr 18, 2013
roflwaffle wrote:
<quoted text>
suggesting that taking away peoples right to shoot the fk out of each other with guns is beneficial to the country and society is pretty enlightened. suggesting that taking that right from people is somehow the slow erosion of our REAL BASIC rights in some attempt to turn the government into another form of government is mentally fking retarded. absolutely nobody with any understanding of modern america feels that is an actual possibility. people need to actually get real. and realize that they are more dangerous than they are beneficial. and because you like to hold them, or shoot targets with them, doesnt amount to hill of beans in comparison to the threat they create. you need to obey a speed limit. is that the erosion of basic rights as well? or is it a common sense countermeasure to control people who cant control themselves? id be willing to bet that people claimed speed limit implementation was a communist socialist erosion of basic rights. doesnt mean they know a fking thing.
You are an idiot and do not know anything of what you TRY to speak ...please stop posting and showing your ignorants ...First America is spelled with a capital ...doesn't is spelled like that...Many ..many Americans DO beleive that our government could at any time they wish turn against it's people...it has happened many times in history in many countries...you really need to get off topix and go back to school. Or at the very least start watching the history channel ...or if you wish, GOOGLE is your friend...get informed then come back with some sort of defense for your side of the debate...as you as very weak in knowledge of world and American history..as well as what has happened in that last few days...you are a joke my friend and you know very little of what you speak.
Informed Voter

Ogdensburg, NY

#245 Apr 18, 2013
I think it is sooooo funny how those that have a very weak debating skills with even less knowledge of the subject matter go straight to insulting others. ...They always go to insults as soon as their weak defense is torn apart with facts and real truths....lmao
Bodecia

Ogdensburg, NY

#246 Apr 18, 2013
roflwaffle wrote:
<quoted text>
suggesting that taking away peoples right to shoot the fk out of each other with guns is beneficial to the country and society is pretty enlightened. suggesting that taking that right from people is somehow the slow erosion of our REAL BASIC rights in some attempt to turn the government into another form of government is mentally fking retarded. absolutely nobody with any understanding of modern america feels that is an actual possibility. people need to actually get real. and realize that they are more dangerous than they are beneficial. and because you like to hold them, or shoot targets with them, doesnt amount to hill of beans in comparison to the threat they create. you need to obey a speed limit. is that the erosion of basic rights as well? or is it a common sense countermeasure to control people who cant control themselves? id be willing to bet that people claimed speed limit implementation was a communist socialist erosion of basic rights. doesnt mean they know a fking thing.
Firstly, can I ask if you can actually make one statement without resorting to swear words? Doubtful. Secondly, given the overwhelming thumbs down to Obama's attempts to curb the rights of gun owners I would say that America spoke,and IS enlightened, more so than your good self, it seems. It is understood that this is indeed a country of freedom of choice, and if one wishes to model themselves on a Bra-Burning Jane Fonda, or a Gun-Toting Chuck Norris, no-one - including online profilers like yourself (by the way, did you know that profiling is actually illegal in this country?) who automatically assume that anyone in favor of the right to choose in relation to the gun issue is automatically in favor of gunning down their opposition generically - can say otherwise. My beliefs are my own, and I dont impose them on anyone else; unlike Liberals who apparently are only liberal and open to other's views when it suits THEM. I suggest you stop making assumptions about other people and be grateful for the fact that we live in a country when we CAN disagree without one or both of us being sent to a gas chamber.
Bodecia

Ogdensburg, NY

#247 Apr 18, 2013
OperationBagration wrote:
<quoted text>
The 2nd Amendment is just that, an AMENDMENT. It wasn't in the original Constitution. We change the Constitution through Amendments periodically. The 2nd Amendment is not holy writ. It can be changed or dropped altogether. Just keep that in mind when you start spouting absolutist nonsense about rights and freedoms being curtailed. Nothing people do is immutable. If the political winds and public opinion blow in a certain direction hard enough, the 2nd Amendment will be abolished. I'm not saying that's good or bad. You obviously think that would be the END OF THE WORLD! Shudder. I'm just making the point that the Constitution is what we the people through our elected representatives make it to be and it does change over time.
Really. The Constitution, and the RATIFIED Amendments to it ARE holy writ! What do you think the whole uproar over Obama's attempt to circumvent it was about!!! I'd say the "political winds and public opinion" are certainly blowing in a certain direction, yes: the direction of FREEDOM of choice. Obama's futile attempts to undermine the rights of citizens in this country on gun ownership were (excuse the pun) shot down in flames yesterday. Even Democratic Senators were smart enough to see that it was the start of a dangerous road. Taking people's freedoms away is wrong. I certainly agree with you that things change in time, and if THE MAJORITY wish them to change then so be it; everything is not set in stone. But for one man to attempt to force his views on the country as a whole as Obama is attempting to do is - "SHUDDER" - the start of a Road to Despotism. Saying all this, I do acknowledge your abiity to debate this issue without resorting to insults and name-calling as others have done.:-)
Texas Two Guns

Waco, GA

#248 Apr 18, 2013
Bodeca, Informed Voter, you know what they say about arguing with idiots. Waffle is full of holes for a reason. Their opinion will never change because ignorance is bliss.
Informed Voter

Ogdensburg, NY

#249 Apr 18, 2013
We are and always will be a REPUBLIC so majority does not always win out...only if it is first within the limits of the Constitution, then if so ,the majority wins....but ONLY if the constitution allows this...
It is this way so that the MINORITY will still have their civil liberties EVEN if the majority thinks otherwise...The Constitution IS the law of the land and what this government was founded on and cannot be changed to suit anyone. If only majority wins this would mean that if the majority votes that we all take your land and divide it up for everyone ...you lose your land...this is WHY we are a Republic...so this sort of thing cannot happen. We are a democratic state that is RESTRICTED by the CONSTITUTION. Basically ALL gun laws are an infringement on the peoples CONSTITUTIONAL civil liberties.
Riparian

New York, NY

#250 Apr 20, 2013
Informed Voter wrote:
We are and always will be a REPUBLIC so majority does not always win out...only if it is first within the limits of the Constitution, then if so ,the majority wins....but ONLY if the constitution allows this...
It is this way so that the MINORITY will still have their civil liberties EVEN if the majority thinks otherwise...The Constitution IS the law of the land and what this government was founded on and cannot be changed to suit anyone. If only majority wins this would mean that if the majority votes that we all take your land and divide it up for everyone ...you lose your land...this is WHY we are a Republic...so this sort of thing cannot happen. We are a democratic state that is RESTRICTED by the CONSTITUTION. Basically ALL gun laws are an infringement on the peoples CONSTITUTIONAL civil liberties.


So did the rally actually acomplish anything other than boosting mcdonalds sales that weekend? Oh thats right the police werent burning a whole lot of gas that day just walking around park, thats a plus.
My point is how do these events help the interests of those , like myself who are opposed to some of the new gun laws in nys that I feel were shoved through in an (in my opinion) underhanded way?

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