Fowler School Closing
Village Taxpayer

Ithaca, NY

#103 Mar 1, 2013
WELL DONE BOE!!! You certainly made the right decision. It's inconceivable to think that there are so few students at Fowler.....the 116 actually includes Pre-K, and also quite a few students (not sure of the exact number) are bused from Gouverneur to Fowler, and the school is open for the taxpayers to fund. It should have been closed years ago. The parents need to get over the decision and stop the nonsense that Fowler is the "best" school, and their children are entitled to go to the "best" school at the taxpayers' expense. East and West Side are great schools and should not be belittled by the Fowler parents.
facts

Syracuse, NY

#104 Mar 2, 2013
Village Taxpayer wrote:
WELL DONE BOE!!! You certainly made the right decision. It's inconceivable to think that there are so few students at Fowler.....the 116 actually includes Pre-K, and also quite a few students (not sure of the exact number) are bused from Gouverneur to Fowler, and the school is open for the taxpayers to fund. It should have been closed years ago. The parents need to get over the decision and stop the nonsense that Fowler is the "best" school, and their children are entitled to go to the "best" school at the taxpayers' expense. East and West Side are great schools and should not be belittled by the Fowler parents.
It is closed so why keep posting? You are sounding like an immature instigator. For your knowledge (and not to argue) Fowler doesn't even have pre-k . Most of the "stuff" on here isn't even factual...must merely here say and what you want to believe. Use your energy to help come up with the other 900,000 that needs to be accounted for. That seems like it would be a better topic. While you argue over this the BOE will roll another cut right right past you. This one should be over or should be.
Fowler mom

Wethersfield, CT

#105 Mar 3, 2013
What 900,000 did some one steal from the school.
Village Taxpayer

Ithaca, NY

#106 Mar 3, 2013
facts wrote:
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It is closed so why keep posting? You are sounding like an immature instigator. For your knowledge (and not to argue) Fowler doesn't even have pre-k . Most of the "stuff" on here isn't even factual...must merely here say and what you want to believe. Use your energy to help come up with the other 900,000 that needs to be accounted for. That seems like it would be a better topic. While you argue over this the BOE will roll another cut right right past you. This one should be over or should be.
Yes, Fowler does have pre-k.
It doesn't matter if there IS lots more money......there are not enough students to keep the school open, especially when there are six empty classrooms at the East Side, and also know that Gouv. students are bused to Fowler. Ridiculous! Yes, some of us know the facts. Do you? Again....there is pre-k at Fowler.
lolz

Arlington, VA

#107 Mar 3, 2013
Fowler mom wrote:
What 900,000 did some one steal from the school.
Lol what? It's going to be cut from school budgets....so fowler school probably won't be the only thing your losing. Show up to meetings and educate yourselves.
Sucks

Long Eddy, NY

#108 Mar 4, 2013
Does it start next school year?
lolz

Arlington, VA

#109 Mar 4, 2013
Sucks wrote:
Does it start next school year?
Yes it would be effective then so as to not disrupt classes now.
former student

Ithaca, NY

#113 Mar 5, 2013
Grown up wrote:
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If you want to be heard calling someone childish then you should quit the internet act. This forum is for your position on the school closing and it not intended for calling out specific people and making remarks about them. Your post is childish and your comments are as well.
This site is for posting our opinions. I do not need to be controlled by you and your statement that I should quit the internet. As you can see you called my post "childish", so your statements are not much different than mine. Mr. Spillman's remarks about the school closing are in the Watertown Times, therefore, I am not stating anything secretive.
numbers

Colonial Heights, VA

#114 Mar 5, 2013
Bad Jack wrote:
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How did I know you weren't going to be able to back up your claim? Probably because it mathematically didn't make a bit of sense.
Also, you're attempting to attribute that unsibstantiated 30% to Fowler Elementary alone and not even acknowledging your share of the Jr. and Sr. High School for which you clearly share a burden.
My 90ish student figure is more than well sustainable considering Fowler has approximately 116 students and it's well docuemented that an estimated 25 are needlessly bussed in from Gouverneur. This has been discussed at the board meetings and this discussion thread.
It's my belief that you just don't want to acknoweldge the obvious that 90 students spread out from Kindergarten through 5th grade being dispersed to one of two schools, each currently having multiple empty classrooms is a fiscal no brainer that trumps tradition and a 5-10 minute extended bus ride.
if fowler has only about 11% of the elementary students where would all these high school students come from? are fowler students so advanced that they start out in high school? makes perfect sense to assume that fowler has right about 11% of the whole student population of the school district.

the per child cost (by your own numbers) is way higher in fowler than it is in gouverneur. fowler tax payers have been ignored by the boe.fowler tax payers alone are giving up a school building. fowler students will share the disadvantages of the other $900,000 in cuts. i for one think fowler should look into other options for the future. one of them being creating their own school district. i for one would like to see the gouverneur boe close the gap left by the loss of fowlers tax revenue and the state/fed aid that would be going directly to fowler.

so to sum it up for you i fail to see why fowler is not valued higher by the gouverneur school district. what you fail to see is that the $224,000(an estimate im betting goes way down and is $900,000 short of whats needed)has upset and angered a very large part of gouverneur school districts benefactors.

try thinking about 20 or 50 years from now not just the next school year.
numbers

Colonial Heights, VA

#115 Mar 5, 2013
Bad Jack wrote:
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How did I know you weren't going to be able to back up your claim? Probably because it mathematically didn't make a bit of sense.
Also, you're attempting to attribute that unsibstantiated 30% to Fowler Elementary alone and not even acknowledging your share of the Jr. and Sr. High School for which you clearly share a burden.
My 90ish student figure is more than well sustainable considering Fowler has approximately 116 students and it's well docuemented that an estimated 25 are needlessly bussed in from Gouverneur. This has been discussed at the board meetings and this discussion thread.
It's my belief that you just don't want to acknoweldge the obvious that 90 students spread out from Kindergarten through 5th grade being dispersed to one of two schools, each currently having multiple empty classrooms is a fiscal no brainer that trumps tradition and a 5-10 minute extended bus ride.
btw...disprove my claim throw a number back at me and tell me where you got it from..i got mine from the tax records of the town of fowler and the recorded total tax collected on the gouverneur school budget. i came up with over 30%
wow

Ardsley, NY

#116 Mar 5, 2013
Village Taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, Fowler does have pre-k.
It doesn't matter if there IS lots more money......there are not enough students to keep the school open, especially when there are six empty classrooms at the East Side, and also know that Gouv. students are bused to Fowler. Ridiculous! Yes, some of us know the facts. Do you? Again....there is pre-k at Fowler.
There wouldn't be 6 empty classrooms had the kept the 6th graders in ELEMENTARY school where they belong!!
wow

Ardsley, NY

#117 Mar 5, 2013
former student wrote:
<quoted text>The Spilmans along with SOME other Fowler parents, are acting very childish. They need to get over it. If they want to keep their private school, then let them buy the building and pay the expenses. They could even keep their children there through the 12th grade.
I believe US fowler residents pay for our school just as well as you pay for your village schools!
former student

Ithaca, NY

#120 Mar 6, 2013
wow wrote:
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There wouldn't be 6 empty classrooms had the kept the 6th graders in ELEMENTARY school where they belong!!
Yes, I agree they should have kept the 6th graders in the elementary school, however, they didn't therefore there are 6 empty classrooms at the East Side. Don't forget, if the sixth graders were still at the East Side, then the Fowler students would have transferred there for 6th grade anyway.
former student

Ithaca, NY

#121 Mar 6, 2013
wow wrote:
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I believe US fowler residents pay for our school just as well as you pay for your village schools!
You are making no sense here. What??? All the taxpayers in the Gouv. district pay taxes on all the schools in the district. The idea is (keeping Fowler open is a waste of money, as there are not enough students there to keep paying the expenses.) We want to budget the money responsibly. We also want our students to get a good education, and they will get as good an education at the East Side, or West Side, as they would at Fowler.
just so you know

Syracuse, NY

#122 Mar 6, 2013
Wrong wrote:
I don't think anyone said Fowler was any better or any worse than the other schools. Some things to consider, the mines have been sold, if they reopen, there is going to be another influx of people which means more students. Another concern parents have is the length of the bus ride. New York State law says a student is not supposed to be on the bus for more than 1 hour and the Fowler students are right at that limit going to the Fowler school. In order to keep from having these young children on the bus for way over an hour, there will need to be extra bus runs and they will need to be shorter runs. Then there is the issue of putting kindergarten students on a bus with high school kids, I'm sorry I would flip if it was my young child. My kids are older now so as far as having a vested interest in the school staying open, I don't. I just see major problems once the school closes and in the long run I think it is going to be a huge mistake.
there are pre-k children who ride the bus ALL THE WAY FROM FOWLER INTO GOUVERNEUR with high school kids.....and some of these Fowler kids are being sent to Gouverneur to school where kids are being brought in from Macomb, Richville and Gouverneur to go to Fowler....so how about their bus ride???
you make no sense at all

Syracuse, NY

#123 Mar 6, 2013
moron wrote:
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Here's how dumbass they say they will save money by cutting down on bussing but they still need the busses to pick up all the extra kids to be bused to gouverneur and back! There is a seating capacity on the buses!
there are already 3 buses that go to Fowler to pick up all those children, and one bus to bring all the kids from Gouverneur to Fowler, so where would any extra buses be needed?
making sense

Gouverneur, NY

#124 Mar 6, 2013
former student wrote:
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You are making no sense here. What??? All the taxpayers in the Gouv. district pay taxes on allthe schools in the district. The idea is (keeping Fowler open is a waste of money, as there are not enough students there to keep paying the expenses.) We want to budget the money responsibly. We also want our students to get a good education, and they will get as good an education at the East Side, or West Side, as they would at Fowler.
The BOE has closed the school. They closed the school for a lack of money from incoming taxes and the state. Those shortfalls leave the financials of the district in dire straits. The Fowler School has not had a drastic reduction in the number of students to bring this option to close it to the table, but merely it is used like a pawn in a chess game to help balance a budget. It has nothing to do with there being "enough students there to keep paying the expenses." It is better to say it was closed due to budget issues and/or shortfalls. Those extra classrooms at the other schools have been there, but we could afford that situation and now we cannot. Yes, student numbers are declining in the district as a whole, but that was not the reason to close Fowler. The BOE and the district have been riding a thin line for a while and have banked on NYS to bail them out their overspending, rising health care costs, ridiculous pension costs and salaries. Rather than take the bull by the horns a few years ago, they have now had to take school out cover their incompetence. I guess doing your homework never ends after leaving school as I see a lack of it.
Hmm

New York, NY

#125 Mar 6, 2013
making sense wrote:
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The BOE has closed the school. They closed the school for a lack of money from incoming taxes and the state. Those shortfalls leave the financials of the district in dire straits. The Fowler School has not had a drastic reduction in the number of students to bring this option to close it to the table, but merely it is used like a pawn in a chess game to help balance a budget. It has nothing to do with there being "enough students there to keep paying the expenses." It is better to say it was closed due to budget issues and/or shortfalls. Those extra classrooms at the other schools have been there, but we could afford that situation and now we cannot. Yes, student numbers are declining in the district as a whole, but that was not the reason to close Fowler. The BOE and the district have been riding a thin line for a while and have banked on NYS to bail them out their overspending, rising health care costs, ridiculous pension costs and salaries. Rather than take the bull by the horns a few years ago, they have now had to take school out cover their incompetence. I guess doing your homework never ends after leaving school as I see a lack of it.
I think what bothers me is the fact they could have combined East & West side schools rather than closing Fowler Add to that the fact that within hours of the decision to close the school there was talk of a new mat for the wrestling team. If the district is so broke that they have to start closing schools, maybe they need to rethink all of the money spent on sports and other extra curricular activities. Frivolous spending always causes financial hardship, why should the students suffer for it?
former student

Ithaca, NY

#126 Mar 6, 2013
making sense wrote:
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The BOE has closed the school. They closed the school for a lack of money from incoming taxes and the state. Those shortfalls leave the financials of the district in dire straits. The Fowler School has not had a drastic reduction in the number of students to bring this option to close it to the table, but merely it is used like a pawn in a chess game to help balance a budget. It has nothing to do with there being "enough students there to keep paying the expenses." It is better to say it was closed due to budget issues and/or shortfalls. Those extra classrooms at the other schools have been there, but we could afford that situation and now we cannot. Yes, student numbers are declining in the district as a whole, but that was not the reason to close Fowler. The BOE and the district have been riding a thin line for a while and have banked on NYS to bail them out their overspending, rising health care costs, ridiculous pension costs and salaries. Rather than take the bull by the horns a few years ago, they have now had to take school out cover their incompetence. I guess doing your homework never ends after leaving school as I see a lack of it.
They should have closed Fowler years ago. Just think of all the money that could have been saved. There are not enough students there to keep it open....THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE. It doesn't matter if Gouverneur Central had LOTS of extra money to spend, Fowler should be closed regardless. Just because one has lots of money doesn't mean money should be spent needlessly.
There is NO reason, not to place Fowler's 116 students into the East and West Side schools, especially when over 20 of the 116 live in Gouv. Makes budgetary and COMMON WISE sense.
moron

United States

#127 Mar 6, 2013
you make no sense at all wrote:
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there are already 3 buses that go to Fowler to pick up all those children, and one bus to bring all the kids from Gouverneur to Fowler, so where would any extra buses be needed?
Those three busses are only for Fowler kids they don't go to gouverneur so there for if the kids now have to go to gouverneur they are still going to need the busses to go pick them up and take them home correct? So where are they going to cut down on the busses that are going to Fowler if they are still going to need them?

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