Immigration 'dreamers' head to D.C.

Immigration 'dreamers' head to D.C.

There are 58 comments on the MySA.com story from Jun 14, 2007, titled Immigration 'dreamers' head to D.C.. In it, MySA.com reports that:

While politicians pontificate on the fate of millions of illegal immigrants from the halls of Congress, from her store 1,750 miles away, Amparo Escalante doesn't want to hear about numbers anymore.

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Betsy Ross

United States

#1 Jun 15, 2007
Cost to tax payer of illegal without a high school education.

DO YOU SENATORS GET THE PICTURE YET???

Someone has finally fixed an approximate taxpayer cost of between 12 million and 15 million illegal aliens residing in the U.S., according to a World Net Daily report today which cites a new study by the Heritage Foundation’’s Robert Rector. Rector found the following:

A household headed by an individual without a high school education, including about two-thirds of illegal aliens, cost U.S. taxpayers more than $32,000 in federal, state and local benefits.

***That same family contributes an average of $9,000 a year in taxes, resulting in a net tax Burden of $22,449 Each Year.*****

Over the course of the ‘household’s lifetime,’ that Tax Burden translates to $1.1 Million, the report said. If you calculate low, using a figure of 12 million illegal aliens for estimation purposes,

the Total Tax Burden translate to $2.2 Trillion.

No matter how the politicians spins it,$2.2 Trillion COST TO TAX PAYERS is not “Contributing to our society!”
Betsy Ross

United States

#3 Jun 15, 2007
Make up your minds, this is them Marching In America, Demanding Rights for those here illegally.

These are some excerpts. If anyone can transcribe it that would be great.
""AZTLAN RISING......““this is our homeland,.... We are millions.... we have an aging white America....they are dying it is a matter of time...... You can be as revolutionary as you want....we don’’t have to give our lives we are not at that point...We have one organized command......the last gasp of white America I understand that... I look out over this crowd and we see la Familia and La Raza reminds me of Paul Revere ...only now.....The Latinos are Coming,..the Latinos are coming.....We must!....... Increase our numbers.....(those are more tax payer paid for babies folks) at every level...we are in a Civil War........""

Dinah

Monkton, MD

#6 Jun 15, 2007
Just what do you intend to do when you finally find that most of our esteemed government plugs their ears to us?
Betsy Ross

United States

#7 Jun 15, 2007
Dinah, I keep faxing, emailing and phoning. What do you do? Any suggestions?
Dinah

Monkton, MD

#8 Jun 15, 2007
I have a suggestion to the American people anyway. Let the media and the politicians know how fed up you are by getting out the vote in droves and voting responsibly for the candidates you WANT instead of the lesser of two weevils, I mean evils despite the money spent and the coverage of the media darlings like Clinton, Obama, Edwards, McCain, Guilliani and the like.

Tell everyone you know. Apparently the problem is the people are ignorant of what is going on. There is so much that needs to be done in the education of the people it's pitiful.

First they need to know they are being ignored. Second, they need to realize that they are not being simply "compassionate" or "tolerant" by giving in. They are being played. They are NOT bigots for demanding justice be done.

They need to get their lists of REAL grievances together with stats and real numbers collected ignoring the don't ask, don't tell.

These people in Washington have had fair warning. Last I would say this: if the government CANNOT or WILL not control illegal immigration, perhaps it will be harder to stop movements like the Farmer's Branch case from springing up daily.

Washington cannot have it's cake and eat it too. If it wants to celebrate the 4th of July without hypocrisy, it needs to get back to it's JOB of doing the PEOPLE'S WILL; not simply being elected to play an elaborate power game.
Dinah

Monkton, MD

#9 Jun 15, 2007
Betsy, I do what you do. I'd love to post the letter I wrote to my Representative and Senators (which probably went in the trash if it reached them anyway) because BOTH of our Senators voted against us. The house seems to be on our side. Only thing is I don't want to be identified on a public forum. I'm sure if someone really wanted to take the time on their lazy bum they could; but I'm trying NOT to allow that.

It's pretty bad when you can't use your real name there are evil people out there. If you exercise your first amendment rights, you WILL pay for it one way or another.

Just keep up the pressure. I know for now I'm done with it. I've said it twice and haven't changed my mind. I have a life to live and it's not getting lived on these boards. This is just a subject I feel VERY strongly about.
I'm not going to let these clowns take away our life.

I am also tired of preaching to the choir. If my family did enmasse, I'd join the Minutemen and go 'active duty'. Problem is, now there's been enough household arguements over this. But, until this is over, I will continue to keep up with the issue, cruise the sites and boards and news voraciously. It's just time to let the information sink in.

“I want a piece of that steak”

Since: Apr 07

Tazmania

#10 Jun 15, 2007
Dinah wrote:
I have a suggestion to the American people anyway. Let the media and the politicians know how fed up you are by getting out the vote in droves and voting responsibly for the candidates you WANT instead of the lesser of two weevils, I mean evils despite the money spent and the coverage of the media darlings like Clinton, Obama, Edwards, McCain, Guilliani and the like.
Tell everyone you know. Apparently the problem is the people are ignorant of what is going on. There is so much that needs to be done in the education of the people it's pitiful.
First they need to know they are being ignored. Second, they need to realize that they are not being simply "compassionate" or "tolerant" by giving in. They are being played. They are NOT bigots for demanding justice be done.
They need to get their lists of REAL grievances together with stats and real numbers collected ignoring the don't ask, don't tell.
These people in Washington have had fair warning. Last I would say this: if the government CANNOT or WILL not control illegal immigration, perhaps it will be harder to stop movements like the Farmer's Branch case from springing up daily.
Washington cannot have it's cake and eat it too. If it wants to celebrate the 4th of July without hypocrisy, it needs to get back to it's JOB of doing the PEOPLE'S WILL; not simply being elected to play an elaborate power game.
Hi Dinah, I remember you, I used to be "Sparky", I had to change it becuase someone was blogging using my profile.

I don't see how the government can pass bill without asking the public. First of all, NAFTA is a joke, it will be just that much easier for illegals or even terrorist to cross the border. It seems the word "reform" is really "deform". what are they talking about, our government either thinks we are idiots or has turned to be a dictatorship.
Dinah

Monkton, MD

#11 Jun 15, 2007
kickback wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Dinah, I remember you, I used to be "Sparky", I had to change it becuase someone was blogging using my profile.
I don't see how the government can pass bill without asking the public. First of all, NAFTA is a joke, it will be just that much easier for illegals or even terrorist to cross the border. It seems the word "reform" is really "deform". what are they talking about, our government either thinks we are idiots or has turned to be a dictatorship.
Believe me they can. They do things because they can.
They play the voting blocks like fine tuned instruments and use their money and influence to manipulate less powerful figures like a chess game.
We have the BEST form of government on the face of this planet and they are making a mockery of it. I'd like to give 2/3ds of them the jackboot.

My apologies to genuine public servants who REALLY care about the people. The problem is they are outnumbered by the power players. That's the kindest thing I can think of to say for the media, money, and power loving scum. Respect is earned; senator or not.
After watching the last Senate meeting on this issue, ALL DAY, I'd compare it to the anecdotal skeleton in the closet. Just when you live your life and get to enjoy it, the cursed thing comes flying out and ruins it.

The problem is they really ARE turning into a dictatorship a little at a time.
Betsy Ross

United States

#13 Jun 15, 2007
Dinah wrote:
Betsy, I do what you do. I'd love to post the letter I wrote to my Representative and Senators (which probably went in the trash if it reached them anyway) because BOTH of our Senators voted against us. The house seems to be on our side. Only thing is I don't want to be identified on a public forum. I'm sure if someone really wanted to take the time on their lazy bum they could; but I'm trying NOT to allow that.
It's pretty bad when you can't use your real name there are evil people out there. If you exercise your first amendment rights, you WILL pay for it one way or another.
Just keep up the pressure. I know for now I'm done with it. I've said it twice and haven't changed my mind. I have a life to live and it's not getting lived on these boards. This is just a subject I feel VERY strongly about.
I'm not going to let these clowns take away our life.
I am also tired of preaching to the choir. If my family did enmasse, I'd join the Minutemen and go 'active duty'. Problem is, now there's been enough household arguements over this. But, until this is over, I will continue to keep up with the issue, cruise the sites and boards and news voraciously. It's just time to let the information sink in.
Dinah, please post your letter I would love to read it. Take out your personal information. Gee, just came back hoping to see your letter....then ... realized I had hoped, meant to ask you to post it...and somehow did not. well, it is 1:05 am Sat. Good morning.
Betsy Ross

United States

#14 Jun 15, 2007
Dinah wrote:
<quoted text>
Believe me they can. They do things because they can.
They play the voting blocks like fine tuned instruments and use their money and influence to manipulate less powerful figures like a chess game.
We have the BEST form of government on the face of this planet and they are making a mockery of it. I'd like to give 2/3ds of them the jackboot.
My apologies to genuine public servants who REALLY care about the people. The problem is they are outnumbered by the power players. That's the kindest thing I can think of to say for the media, money, and power loving scum. Respect is earned; senator or not.
After watching the last Senate meeting on this issue, ALL DAY, I'd compare it to the anecdotal skeleton in the closet. Just when you live your life and get to enjoy it, the cursed thing comes flying out and ruins it.
The problem is they really ARE turning into a dictatorship a little at a time.
Gee, you said so many interesting things. Respect does have to be earned. There are some folks that manage to float through life, giving respect to people that do not deserve it. I think their lives are easier in some ways. Though, Dinah, my internal makeup is so different I can not force myself into the mindset. Just wondering if perhaps you are that way as well? It has been noticable in me since I was a Very young girl.

It almost sounds like you are describing the use of behavioral science, when "They play the voting blocks like fine tuned instruments and use their money and influence to manipulate less powerful figures like a chess game."

"like fine tuned instruments..." that is very astute.

"the anecdotal skeleton " think I know what you mean. Just about the time one, "tra la la" passes in my life, "well that was nice....and NOW....deal with this"

"The problem is they really ARE turning into a dictatorship a little at a time"... they sure are trying. Here is a bit of good news. Sorry the link does not work, Dinah, I have the curse of the broken links... I understand it is a simple process. I try to follow it. Copy and paste. Still they do not work all the time.. yet they do at first...life mystery...

I will post it in another box. lol (if the spelling and type o's grow please forgive me, pain is now at the burning level... no time to sp ck and type o ck)
Betsy Ross

United States

#15 Jun 15, 2007
Posted in: Immigration Protest Planned Nationwide by Molon Lahveh #871
GOOD NEWS !
***

Did Tancredo just slay the dragon?
House passes Tancredo measure to deny emergency funds to sanctuary cities posted at 3:41 pm on June 15, 2007
He’’s offered similar proposals at least seven times in the past three years and they’’ve always failed by big margins. Today? 234-189, with no fewer than 49 Democrats voting in favor. The Rocky Mountain News says all sides are ““stunned””; his own press release describes him as ““exuberant.”” Not necessarily because he thinks the Senate’’s going to pass this but because of a certain Larger Truth that might just have materialized. From the RMN:
Tancredo said he thinks his amendment is an indicator that the House would crush the reform plan [i.e., amnesty bill] if it passes in the Senate.
““If I were (Speaker of the House) Nancy Pelosi, I’’d be asking if she could pass a vote on amnesty on the House side,”” Tancredo said.““If she lost 50 Democrats on this one, and she says she needs 70 Republicans to pass the immigration plan, this is an interesting indicator of things coming down the pike, and that the times, they are a-changing.””
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/15/shock-h ...
**
RoboTech advised this is a very good sign of the attitude of this bill in the House. Dinah, I have great regard and respect for RoboTech. You may wonder why I sometimes log the post number. Why I log the topic/article where the post was made. Dinah, when a post is exceptional, I sometimes have trouble recalling where it was. Since I firmly believe it is good to exchange information, I try to do so accurately. More simply, my daily life has some degree of physical pain. It is so varied as to sometimes interrupt my memory. Rof, thus the anal attentive detail orientation.
Betsy Ross

United States

#16 Jun 15, 2007
Caught a glimpse of georgie pandering at the Latino breakfast this am. Ended up writing about it somewhere in topix I think. May have made it into one or two emails.

oh, do you have a youtube of the insane one at the breakfast??? love to post those...
Dinah

Monkton, MD

#18 Jun 16, 2007
Sandy5274 wrote:
Bstsy Ross and Dinah I was doing some
comments against Illegal Alien
Amnesty at other sites today and as
of 8pm MDT in Phoenix AZ there are
three articles on Bush Bringing Back
Illegal Alien Amnesty and The Over
30 Pages Of Comments On Each One
Shows 98% Of People Oppose It! So
See It Pays To Call, Fax and Email and Write Your Senators and Members
of Congress to Oppose Its Passage!
As only three yep I said 3 posters
upheld Bush & Stooges and Favor it!
Keep Calling Faxs Emails and Letters
Coming Gang! Did Anyone See Old King
George43 on TV Today at that Phony
Latino Prayer Breakfast Bush Looked
Totally Insane and Worried! Keep It Up! Yep Im Back And Will Chew Butts!
I hope and PRAY it's working.
Dinah

Monkton, MD

#19 Jun 16, 2007
Betsy Ross wrote:
<quoted text>Gee, you said so many interesting things. Respect does have to be earned. There are some folks that manage to float through life, giving respect to people that do not deserve it. I think their lives are easier in some ways. Though, Dinah, my internal makeup is so different I can not force myself into the mindset. Just wondering if perhaps you are that way as well? It has been noticable in me since I was a Very young girl.
It almost sounds like you are describing the use of behavioral science, when "They play the voting blocks like fine tuned instruments and use their money and influence to manipulate less powerful figures like a chess game."
"like fine tuned instruments..." that is very astute.
"the anecdotal skeleton " think I know what you mean. Just about the time one, "tra la la" passes in my life, "well that was nice....and NOW....deal with this"
"The problem is they really ARE turning into a dictatorship a little at a time"... they sure are trying. Here is a bit of good news. Sorry the link does not work, Dinah, I have the curse of the broken links... I understand it is a simple process. I try to follow it. Copy and paste. Still they do not work all the time.. yet they do at first...life mystery...
I will post it in another box. lol (if the spelling and type o's grow please forgive me, pain is now at the burning level... no time to sp ck and type o ck)
Well, I have been watching things more closely now that I'm older, my kids have grown and I have more time; not to mention I am closer to Washington than I've ever been in my entire life. In a way I thank the Lord for moving here. It has opened my eyes and taught me things I probably would never have ever seen unless the concern was nearby. On the other hand I used to be the type who thought life was good and I didn't have an enemy in the world. It has also made me and mine quite cynical. Which is sad. Therein, we also need to grow out of that.

But I'm not simply describing 'behaviorial science'; one can easily come to that conclusion by listening, watching the words come live 'out of the horse's mouth'. Part of the reason they want campaign money is they want face time in states that are crucial to their either getting on the ballot or getting elected in states like Iowa, Ohio, I haven't figured it out yet. Maybe it has something to do with the 'electoral college'. But it just doesn't seem fair that a well known should have the most money and get the most face time. If you listen to them and watch them though they are indeed interested in their "voting blocks": dems, reps, women, blacks, Hispanics, the left, the right, conservatives, liberals, etc. We're not just Americans anymore. Hillary panders to women, Obama to women and blacks,(and etc to be fair) Bush to Hispanics, others flip flop to become whatever you want, Jon Paul the conservatives, etc. Each has their bent. The ones to REALLY be concerned about are the ones like Bush who APPEAR to be one way and ultimately go another. I voted for the man twice because he played us well with the war after 9/11.
I didn't know what he was doing; or shall I say NOT doing. I think some politicians are afraid of the press because they know that they have to at least try to do right by the American people or the press will blab on them. On the other hand the press can be quite manipulative too. Never a dull moment.

Yeah. I just woke up. My man is amused because HE woke up a long time ago.
Dinah

Monkton, MD

#20 Jun 16, 2007
Betsy Ross wrote:
Posted in: Immigration Protest Planned Nationwide by Molon Lahveh #871
GOOD NEWS !
***
Did Tancredo just slay the dragon?
House passes Tancredo measure to deny emergency funds to sanctuary cities posted at 3:41 pm on June 15, 2007
He’’s offered similar proposals at least seven times in the past three years and they’’ve always failed by big margins. Today? 234-189, with no fewer than 49 Democrats voting in favor. The Rocky Mountain News says all sides are ““stunned””; his own press release describes him as ““exuberant.”” Not necessarily because he thinks the Senate’’s going to pass this but because of a certain Larger Truth that might just have materialized. From the RMN:
Tancredo said he thinks his amendment is an indicator that the House would crush the reform plan [i.e., amnesty bill] if it passes in the Senate.
““If I were (Speaker of the House) Nancy Pelosi, I’’d be asking if she could pass a vote on amnesty on the House side,”” Tancredo said.““If she lost 50 Democrats on this one, and she says she needs 70 Republicans to pass the immigration plan, this is an interesting indicator of things coming down the pike, and that the times, they are a-changing.””
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/15/shock-h ...
**
RoboTech advised this is a very good sign of the attitude of this bill in the House. Dinah, I have great regard and respect for RoboTech. You may wonder why I sometimes log the post number. Why I log the topic/article where the post was made. Dinah, when a post is exceptional, I sometimes have trouble recalling where it was. Since I firmly believe it is good to exchange information, I try to do so accurately. More simply, my daily life has some degree of physical pain. It is so varied as to sometimes interrupt my memory. Rof, thus the anal attentive detail orientation.
I'd like to see more of Tancredo, but probably won't other than the internet. Media time is money and the guy isn't wealthy in that sense.

I like Robotech's comments too. They are encouraging.

As far as the news goes, we can rejoice at ONE hurdle-the house. But it STILL has to pass the Senate. So too much rejoicing is premature. We can REALLY rejoice once it passes the Senate AND is signed into law by the head honcho.
Dinah

Monkton, MD

#21 Jun 16, 2007
Sandy5274 wrote:
OH MY Good Heavens To Betsy Ross She
Done Got Her Own Personal Blog Here!
And Can't Be Bothered With Her Old
Pal Ms Sandy or stop and have a nice
cool sip of ice tea with her nowdays!
So I will go pout and whine now!
SPEAK! Hi, Sandy :-)

“I want a piece of that steak”

Since: Apr 07

Tazmania

#22 Jun 16, 2007
Dinah wrote:
<quoted text>
Believe me they can. They do things because they can.
They play the voting blocks like fine tuned instruments and use their money and influence to manipulate less powerful figures like a chess game.
We have the BEST form of government on the face of this planet and they are making a mockery of it. I'd like to give 2/3ds of them the jackboot.
My apologies to genuine public servants who REALLY care about the people. The problem is they are outnumbered by the power players. That's the kindest thing I can think of to say for the media, money, and power loving scum. Respect is earned; senator or not.
After watching the last Senate meeting on this issue, ALL DAY, I'd compare it to the anecdotal skeleton in the closet. Just when you live your life and get to enjoy it, the cursed thing comes flying out and ruins it.
The problem is they really ARE turning into a dictatorship a little at a time.
That's how I feel, our president goes against the best wishes of the people, that is not a democracy that is a dictatorship. Congress obviously knows that NAFTA, guest worker progam, and giving some type of amnesty to 12 or 20 million illegals is ridiculous. The financial gain of special interest groups must be amazing, so amazing they will commit treason.

“I want a piece of that steak”

Since: Apr 07

Tazmania

#23 Jun 16, 2007
Dinah wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd like to see more of Tancredo, but probably won't other than the internet. Media time is money and the guy isn't wealthy in that sense.
I like Robotech's comments too. They are encouraging.
As far as the news goes, we can rejoice at ONE hurdle-the house. But it STILL has to pass the Senate. So too much rejoicing is premature. We can REALLY rejoice once it passes the Senate AND is signed into law by the head honcho.
Duncan Hunter might not be to shabby, atleast he started the fence in Tijuana.

Since: Apr 07

Columbus, OH

#24 Jun 16, 2007
Kickback and all.
You guys know what is really going on right?
SPP was considered a conspiracy theory only 1 year ago,now look.
NWO is very close and this whole illegal immigration thing is to keep us occupied.
YES, fight as hard as you can now on this, but keep your eyes open to all the other rights we are losing every day.
2010 is thier goal and they are right on target.
Call it conspiracy or tin-foil. I've watched and researched for two years,it is not pretty.

“I want a piece of that steak”

Since: Apr 07

Tazmania

#25 Jun 16, 2007
Indyeast wrote:
Kickback and all.
You guys know what is really going on right?
SPP was considered a conspiracy theory only 1 year ago,now look.
NWO is very close and this whole illegal immigration thing is to keep us occupied.
YES, fight as hard as you can now on this, but keep your eyes open to all the other rights we are losing every day.
2010 is thier goal and they are right on target.
Call it conspiracy or tin-foil. I've watched and researched for two years,it is not pretty.
There was once the trilateral community (theory) or still is, nothing really surprises me. It sure seems this stupid immigration reform bill is just to keep us occupied because it's so ridiculous.

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