Posted in the Antioch Forum
#1 Sep 27, 2012
Heard some ladies in a coffee shop talking about Antioch schools being some of the worst in lake county. I find that hard to believe. If its true, why or what happened?
Since: Oct 11
#2 Sep 27, 2012
I have 2 kids in Antioch schools. I am not on the board or work for the district - just another working parent. IMO, I do not believe they are the worst in the county. However, I wouldn't call them the best in the county either.
I think we're in a state of transition right now. Years of teaching to the test and to the minimum standards set by No Child Left Behind have done damage, not only in Antioch but all across the country. From what I've heard, the administration is taking steps to make changes, which will hopefully result in improvement. I know that I'm already seeing a change in what my middle-schooler is bringing home, compared to what my older kid was doing in the same grade 3 years ago. They are working harder and taking it a step further than they used to. The same project from the same teacher was much more detailed, educational, and harder this year than it was 3 years ago. And I haven't yet heard about any days spent watching non-educational movies in the classroom. It is early though.
Whether anyone agrees with me or not, I firmly believe that, to a large degree, a school reflects the parents in the community. First thing I'd ask someone throwing criticism around is how much time they've spend reading to their kids, how much attention they pay to their kids homework, and how much do they, the parent, know of what's going on the schools. If parents don't care, most kids won't either. I wouldn't give much creedence to the opinion of anyone who doesn't take steps to participate in their kids education. Yup, that's a hot button for me, because I know, thru volunteering, how many parents are totally uninvolved.
Compare our parent participation to a New Trier or other top school and tell me more.
#3 Sep 27, 2012
Lets just say I don't think we are getting our money's worth especially since our property taxes are ridiculously high and it's mostly going towards the schools. I also am an involved parent, but I think a lot of the older teachers nearing retirement should have already retired because they just don't seem to be giving it their all. I don't care if they are burnt out from a long teaching career (they chose their career), and that doesn't mean giving up on the kids just because they are nearing the end of their teaching career. Heck what other job gives you every weekend off, every holiday and winter, spring and a long summer break off--so burn out--really give me a break? Seriously, they have enough time off to recover from the so called burn out stress from teaching --if that's the case they would never last in another profession. As the saying goes if the kitchens too hot it's time to get out even if that means before their retirement cause they are not helping the kids by any means and not doing them any favors by not treating each child like as if it was the beginning of their careers (with enthusiasm and going that extra mile). Why should those kids suffer??? I see too many good kids that are doing their best, have active and involved parents and the teachers still try to sweep those kids under the rug as if they don't matter just because in the back of their mind those lazy, soon to be retired teachers are telling themselves "who cares these kids won't be my problem for long cause I'm outta here". But in reality those same kids will be out in the real world one day and they will become all of our problem. So teachers should care and give it their all from beginning to the end of their teaching careers. There are a lot of good teachers there, but there are definitely a few bad eggs that should not be there and why they ever became teachers and or stayed in it for too long still puzzles me. Granted there are some parents that don't give a rats ass either and they too are part of the problem, but for the most part what I have witnessed most parents such as myself do care and are active and involved to the best of our ability (afterall my husband and I have too work) but I still feel the school districts needs to weed out the bad apples so our kids don't ultimately get short changed and we should be getting a higher quality education for our kids especially based on the high property taxes we pay.
#4 Sep 27, 2012
I've already put my kid through the lake county school system. I've never met a single parent that didn't care. They all tried their best to help their kids just like i did.
Parents are NOT professionals in education. If i wanted that job i would have had that job. Fact is i paid teachers through my taxes to teach my kid. We all did that. No matter what job you have someone depends on you to get your job done. No worker can go back to their customers and say well you have to share in the work. That doesn't fly in the real world. Teachers don't live in the real world. They live in a world where they only work 9 months out of 12. Where they can't be fired for doing a lousy job. Where they always get pay raises and never a pay cut. And they havew parents as a fall guy when things go wrong. Parents have to bail them out everytime they strike. Parents have to work with their kids doing homework because teachers can't get it done during their job. Our schools in IL aren't even up to national levels let alone the world. Throwing more money at them sure isn't the answer. No child left behind didn't work because no one supported it. Fire some of those teachers for doing a lousy job and watch how fast those kids would start learning.
Since: Oct 11
#5 Sep 28, 2012
I most definitely disagree with Mystery Man. I would never leave my childs education 100% to teachers/school. There is no way in hell that a middle school teacher, who has over 150 kids every day (that's 25 kids in a class x 6 class periods a day), can possible explain everything and answer every question. If you think they can, you must have some amazing secret that no educator or school administrator or college professor has ever been able to figure out.
Beyond that, kids are kids. If their choice is studying or hanging out/watching TV, what will most choose? Our jobs as parents is to encourage, nurture and educate. Not say "Gee, Johnny, you got an F on that test? Must be the teachers fault." That'd really be effective for shaping the future generations.
Two more hot buttons - taxes. Compare Antioch's taxes to those paid by homeowners in the top school districts (Northbrook, Deerfield, Wilmette, Vernon Hills). Yeah. The same size houses cost 3 to 5x as much, and a BIG part of that is the draw of their school districts. More expensive housing values = more tax dollars for the schools.
And, unfortunately, I see a lot of parents who don't care. Who are more focused on getting their own personal party on to do anything for the kids who happen to sleep under the same roof. It's pathetic.
#6 Sep 28, 2012
News Reader 2011 just like me you're entitled to your opinions in here.
But if you are going mention me and blatanly lie about what i posted i'm going to call you down on it.
I NEVER SAID I WOULD LEAVE MY KIDS EDUCATION 100% TO TEACHERS/SCHOOLS
In fact here is a direct quote of what i did say that differs entirely from your accusation.
I've never met a single parent that didn't care. They all tried their best to help their kids just like i did.
I support and respect all parents with kids in school including you.
I deserve an apology.
#7 Sep 28, 2012
oh yeah i almost forgot to include this quote of mine
Parents have to work with their kids doing homework because teachers can't get it done during their job.
SO AGAIN QOUTE ME WHERE I SAID OR INDICATED I WOULD LEAVE MY KIDS EDUCATION 100% TO TEACHERS/SCHOOLS
#8 Oct 1, 2012
"Parents are NOT professionals in education. If i wanted that job i would have had that job. Fact is i paid teachers through my taxes to teach my kid"
thought I'd be helpful
#9 Oct 1, 2012
i agree i made that statement.
But where in that statement or in any of my statement do i say i left my kids education 100% in the hands of the school system ?
That was the comment Reader was trying to tag me with.
As i pointed in two other statement which both you and Reader conveniently overlook i mention that parents including me do indeed help their kids with their education.
Half in part because we care and the other half because teachers fail miserably at their job.
I didn't mind helping my kid with her education.
And i have done that when she was in school.
But i admit i'm NOT a professional teacher.
Therefore i expect the professional teachers whom my tax dollars paid for to go and their job.
If i hired a plummer or an electrician would i be expected to help them in their job ?
They are PROUD to their jobs.
If teachers want my respect they need to earn it by getting our kids grade above the national average.
BTW not to knock topix but i always found the judge it emoticons to be immature.
I prefer to exchange ideas not insults.
And i'm still waiting for that apology for the 100% remark.
Since: Oct 11
#10 Oct 1, 2012
Me thinks thou doth protest too much.
I said I disagree with you. And then I expressed my opinion. Not everything is about you.
Perhaps you should apologize for misinterpreting my intentions and getting all bent out of shape at me. I've learned many times over on this board that you are not a worthy debate opponent, as you merely *yell*, repeat yourself and accuse any other poster of attacking you personally, should anyone dare to disagree with your opinions. Thus the multiple posters who have attacked you with hostility. That's never happened to me.. well, except for one particular mystery poster.
I know return you to our previously discussed topic.
Since: Oct 11
#11 Oct 1, 2012
Before you hone in on that.
#12 Oct 2, 2012
I only correct grammar spelling to make sure i'm on the same page with that person. Never as a put down.
I've certainly written my share of them too.
Add to that fact that i have poor eyesight plus a black keyboard on my laptop and it equals plenty of typos on my part.
I promise i will never any typos against you or anyone else.
I do disagree with you about the statements you made about your post #8.
In it you mentioned me by screen name and then in the very next line was the 100% statement.
That really did come across as being directed towards me. So i didn't misinterpret your intentions. On the contrary i called you out on it and you're just trying to deflect your responsibility for making that statement.
No biggie i didn't really expect you to man up to it.( my apologies if you're female for saying man up - its purely meant as a figure of speech )
As for debates i'll gladly debate you or anyone else on any topic that we might disagree with.
For example check out my thread on the Zimmerman/Martin shooting. Throughout that thread I posted various links bringing up NEW material to debate about. I explored several angles to the shooting not just rehashing one opinion.
I don't try to put down those who disagree with me. In fact just the opposite. I love it when their point of view is presented so well that it changes my opinion. Rare but it has happened.
In addition sometimes we even agree. Check out that car accident thread.
You and i agree somewhat on that.
#13 Oct 2, 2012
left out a word ( lol see it does happen to me too )
the line should read
I promise i will never hold any typos against you or anyone else.
#14 Oct 5, 2012
Wow, I thought I was going to get some information about the Antioch schools. Guess I'm in the wrong spot.
This board should be renamed because it looks like this is where you go when you want to fly off the handle for no good reason. SMH
Mystery Man should grow up and get some perspective.
#15 Oct 6, 2012
I'm probably twice your age.
Hving put a kid through school and now having grandkids in school i have a pretty good perspective of what goes on in schools.
In fact i also have a mother-in-law who is a former Chicago teacher and my own upbringing in the public school system to draw on for a perspective.
You have the wrong perception of what topix is all about. Its not an information board. Its a topic board driven by opinions.
If you want true information about any school i recommend you contact that school. Even the worse of schools will give you information about themselves.
But if you want opinion of schools or have an opinion then this is the place to go to.
The one kind of opinion that i've observed that topix does not like are the personal attack kind.
Those more then any other seem to be the threads that disappear.
So please stick to the opinions on schools and not personally attacking someone you never met and have no idea the age of.
For the record i'll be 61 neaxt month.
#17 Oct 11, 2012
IMHO, Mystery Man always provides information and his perspective on things. What in the world is wrong with posting your opinion on a forum that is looking for OPINIONS? If you don't agree, state your reason instead of just attacking a poster. I certainly don't always agree with him but have always found him respectful of others opinions.
#18 Oct 11, 2012
Thank you Resident you hit it right on the head.
This is an OPINION style forum not a bash blog.
As a point in fact this thread wasn't even started by me. I was the 4th poster not even second or third.
WHO CARES your only post in this thread was a bash not even a single opinion.
Please start over give us your OPINION of the Antioch school system or any school system.
You never know some might even agree with you.
I do think sometimes the schools get it right.
I have a 5yr old autistic granddaughter and i think the school system is doing her a lot of good.
In her case they got it right.
Since: Oct 11
#19 Oct 11, 2012
Hoping you understand this in the vein that I mean it - I'm not trying to bash your granddaughter. I am assuming she is being mainstreamed, in a regular classroom. The fact that kids with learning and behavioral disabilities are doing well and can keep up in the mainstream classrooms points to a big issue in our schools. One of the things that AUGS recently touted as an achievement was the significant decrease in the number of kids requiring IEP's for learning & behavior based issues. Yet, we're seeing almost epidemic increases in the diagnosis of these issues. The fact that a kid with a learning disability can keep up with a curriculum designed for mainstream students is a great big blinking problem sign to me. Where's the challenge to the regular students? Where's the incentive to excel? Or are we dumbing down the curriculum to accomodate all, no matter the cost? "We have to achieve minimum standards!" Why isn't there an incentive for over-achieving???
While on the one hand, mainstreaming is good from a social perspective, from a competitive perspective - as in, our kids competing with China in the future - it's a horrible idea.
#20 Oct 11, 2012
News Reader i get where you are coming from and i agree with you to a point.
My grandaughter goes to a regular school but attends special education classes at that school.
I don't want to mention the school by name but lets just say its near Gurnee.
So in her case its the best of both worlds.
She get the experience of a regular school while being taught at her own level without interfering with the educational level of kids at a normal level.
I have no idea if this unique to this school or is the normal for all schoopls.
My guess is schools are moving in this direction because more and more kids are being realized as having a medical condition. Therefore you'll more and more special ed classes in schools.
Who knows what the impact will be in the future for kids like her as well as for kids whoi don't face such challenges.
I think all kids can handle it. Kids are often smarter and nicer then us adults give them credit for.
As for dummying down the schools i fear that happens because teacher now realize the days of them not having to be responsible for actually teaching are coming to an end for them.
So by dumming down the education they can look like they are preforming their job.
That i think is the real problem. Not the fact that kids like my grandaughter happen to be taking special ed classes. Classes designed so they can at least learn a few things in life.
Since: Oct 11
#21 Oct 11, 2012
I very much disagree with this:
"As for dummying down the schools i fear that happens because teacher now realize the days of them not having to be responsible for actually teaching are coming to an end for them.
So by dumming down the education they can look like they are preforming their job."
I think you must have had a lot of negative experiences with teachers. I absolutely disagree with you. While there are definitely some teachers that aren't performing up to par, I am thinking hard to come up with bad teachers I've encountered in Antioch schools over the past 8 years. Most are committed, caring professionals who are as frustrated with "teaching to the test" as I am. They can't go off topic and explore the interest of the class, their hands are tied because if they don't follow the curriculum, designed to meet minimum standards, to the absolute T, it becomes a federal issue (literally). The lower and middle schools have met minimum standards each year, but the high school has finally said that the minimum standards are setting the kids up for failure at a college level, as they aren't advanced enough when they arrive at high school. This is causing all kinds of changes in the middle school - "what do you mean our kids aren't prepared? We've met minimum standards!"
I don't know enough about the high school results to talk intelligently about that yet.
You can keep blaming teachers if you like. In our district, I'm placing the blame squarely on No Child Left Behind and the federal government's involvement.
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