Has Steve Smouse mis-managed the Tim Osmond Park?

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Dec 17, 2007
 

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With the full responsibility for the Tim Osmond Sports park under Township Supervisor Steve Smouse's control, and even after State of Illinois and Lake County Scientists, Environmentalists and Township residents warned against the great potential for environmental damages to the park and adjacent high-quality wetlands, Sequoit Creek and the chain of lakes beyond, Steve Smouse still allowed bad construction practices which permitted contractors to use short-cuts to save money at the cost of the heritage and safety of our community? And where did these cost saving go? Right into Steveís pockets and his friends pockets.

While Steve likes to hide behind his affiliation with the rescue squad, and he would like all Antioch residents to believe he really cares for the community, I must ask how did he allow this to happen especially when Tim Osmond was supposedly his friend? You have berated your fallen friends name and turned the park dedicated to his memory in to a money making machine for you and your political partners.

You take $90,000 a year from the hard working taxpayers of Antioch Township and you only give back a few hours a week in exchange. I do not know how you hold your head up in Public after how you have cheated this community. How do you sleep at night knowing that you are personally responsible for harming so much in this community? And all the time taking more and more money from hard working people!

Itís ashamed you should be! Steve Smouse.
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Dec 19, 2007
 

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You should be ashamed to try and make mud of a name that should be highly respected. How dare you comment on matters so falsely. There is no truth to any of your comments. Who are you? Why do you hide? Certainly anyone who does their research properly will note that you are a fake.
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Dec 19, 2007
 
Guess Who Now wrote:
You should be ashamed to try and make mud of a name that should be highly respected. How dare you comment on matters so falsely. There is no truth to any of your comments. Who are you? Why do you hide? Certainly anyone who does their research properly will note that you are a fake.
And where is your true name with your post here?

If you were to check out the meeting minutes from the village and township concerning this park you would find a wealth of facts on how this Park site was mismanaged. I challenge you to do so, and then come back with your facts for all to see. And after that, if you are willing, I will bring documentation to support my claims to any public hearing where all sides can be presented. This is called Democracy and this country was founded on these principals.

In America we also have freedom of speech where citizens are allowed to challenge public officials on issues like this so that the people can see to it that they are treated fairly by elected officials.

The Antioch Township offices are not setting an example of transparency for the public for whom they work! Where are the meeting minutes for this year? Why are they not posted on-line as with most all the other government agencies in Lake County? Why did Smouse allow the pollution of Sequoit Creek especially when he was warned against it? Why would he attend and participate in a fund raising event while the creek was brown like chocolate milk, and he allowed the creek to run full of pollution for most of August 5, 2007 before attempting to address the issue. Untold millions of gallons of highly polluted water washed of the park site and into the creek and then down stream to the chain of lakes and beyond. How is this responsible management of township property?

The Township has a pending violation notice from the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency because Smouse did not protect the local environment, as he was required too. I suppose you are claiming the EPA is wrong about Steve too?

I can already predict that you will be another one on this site who has all the answers but no facts to support your claims. Please present supporting documentation for your claims from verifiable and reliable sources.

Bring out your facts, and I will also, and let the public see who is correct and who is a corrupt township official.
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Dec 19, 2007
 
Good Afternoon,

I would like to say that the one making the accustaions is the one that needs to bring out the facts. You accuse Mr. Smouse of making $90,000 a year from the taxpayers of Antioch, where do you get this number and how do you justify this? From what I understand it is less then half of this number.

Mr. Smouses volunteer work at the rescue squad should be commended, not berated. Are you a volunteer, do you save lives, probably not, but Mr. Smouse does.

The park is a cooperative effort between the village and the township, so your efforts to insist that all that goes wrong must be Steve's fault is just plain stupid.

If this was the case, does he get 100% credit if things go right? In your world that would be a no.

You accuse him of stealing from the tax payers and short cutting the building of the parks. Where is your proof, what are your facts?

You need to grow up and look in the mirror, your postings do not benefit this community nor do they do any good for you.
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Dec 19, 2007
 
Personally, I don't know if Mr. Smouse has done any wrongdoing. I do think that on the whole, a lot of mismanaging is going on in Antioch. I think it should ALL be investigated. Why Illinois let's them get away with it is a my$tery to me!
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Dec 19, 2007
 
Smouse Supporter wrote:
Good Afternoon,
I would like to say that the one making the accustaions is the one that needs to bring out the facts. You accuse Mr. Smouse of making $90,000 a year from the taxpayers of Antioch, where do you get this number and how do you justify this? From what I understand it is less then half of this number.
Mr. Smouses volunteer work at the rescue squad should be commended, not berated. Are you a volunteer, do you save lives, probably not, but Mr. Smouse does.
The park is a cooperative effort between the village and the township, so your efforts to insist that all that goes wrong must be Steve's fault is just plain stupid.
If this was the case, does he get 100% credit if things go right? In your world that would be a no.
You accuse him of stealing from the tax payers and short cutting the building of the parks. Where is your proof, what are your facts?
You need to grow up and look in the mirror, your postings do not benefit this community nor do they do any good for you.
I always respect a good post and I am willing to listen to verifiable facts when they are presented. I am not hearing you present facts but instead injecting personal perspective.

Are you offended by the American system of government of the people and by the people? Do you believe that the people of the State of Illinois are entitled to full disclosure of the activities of their government?

The Illinois Attorney General has written:
Pursuant to the fundamental philosophy of the American constitutional form of government, it is declared to be the public policy of the State of Illinois that all persons are entitled to full and complete information regarding the affairs of government and the official acts and policies of those who represent them as public officials and public employees consistent with the terms of this Act. Such access is necessary to enable the people to fulfill their duties of discussing public issues fully and freely, making informed political judgments and monitoring government to ensure that it is being conducted in the public interest.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.as... )

I support good Government, as I believe all Americans should! Why are there township documents that are being hidden from the taxpaying public, Why?

Is the township protecting Smouse by not releasing public documents because he is affiliated with the rescue squad?

Although you are quick to post here you are not providing supporting documentation only your opinion and as your name implies, you are a Smouse supporter.

Please reply with supporting documentation for your claims.
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Dec 19, 2007
 
What public documents? The Minutes from the Township meetings are available at the Antioch Library. Are there other documents that you are looking for? And what would the Rescue Squad have to do with that?
Good Government Supporter wrote:
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I always respect a good post and I am willing to listen to verifiable facts when they are presented. I am not hearing you present facts but instead injecting personal perspective.
Are you offended by the American system of government of the people and by the people? Do you believe that the people of the State of Illinois are entitled to full disclosure of the activities of their government?
The Illinois Attorney General has written:
Pursuant to the fundamental philosophy of the American constitutional form of government, it is declared to be the public policy of the State of Illinois that all persons are entitled to full and complete information regarding the affairs of government and the official acts and policies of those who represent them as public officials and public employees consistent with the terms of this Act. Such access is necessary to enable the people to fulfill their duties of discussing public issues fully and freely, making informed political judgments and monitoring government to ensure that it is being conducted in the public interest.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.as... )
I support good Government, as I believe all Americans should! Why are there township documents that are being hidden from the taxpaying public, Why?
Is the township protecting Smouse by not releasing public documents because he is affiliated with the rescue squad?
Although you are quick to post here you are not providing supporting documentation only your opinion and as your name implies, you are a Smouse supporter.
Please reply with supporting documentation for your claims.
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Dec 19, 2007
 
Good Government Supporter wrote:
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I always respect a good post and I am willing to listen to verifiable facts when they are presented. I am not hearing you present facts but instead injecting personal perspective.
Are you offended by the American system of government of the people and by the people? Do you believe that the people of the State of Illinois are entitled to full disclosure of the activities of their government?
The Illinois Attorney General has written:
Pursuant to the fundamental philosophy of the American constitutional form of government, it is declared to be the public policy of the State of Illinois that all persons are entitled to full and complete information regarding the affairs of government and the official acts and policies of those who represent them as public officials and public employees consistent with the terms of this Act. Such access is necessary to enable the people to fulfill their duties of discussing public issues fully and freely, making informed political judgments and monitoring government to ensure that it is being conducted in the public interest.
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.as... )
I support good Government, as I believe all Americans should! Why are there township documents that are being hidden from the taxpaying public, Why?
Is the township protecting Smouse by not releasing public documents because he is affiliated with the rescue squad?
Although you are quick to post here you are not providing supporting documentation only your opinion and as your name implies, you are a Smouse supporter.
Please reply with supporting documentation for your claims.
Nice try, but your logic does not work. You have accused an indivudal of committing crimes against the people of Antioch. I have asked you to show proof of these crimes and in turn you ask me to show proof. I can not prove a negative.

You are upset because you say the minutes of the meetings are not on the internet. There is no law that states minutes need to be on the internet. I am sure that if you went to the township office they would be glad to provide you with copies of minutes. Fill out a freedom of information act and they are yours.

You then accuse the township officials of "protecting" Mr. Smouse, but you have no proof of this and when we ask you to show proof, you try turning this by asking me to prove or show facts, but you do not say of what, once again I can not prove something that does not exist.

I support good, open and honest government, but it appears you do not. You need to stop throwing stones and if you have information like you say you do, go to the press, go to the Lake County DA, go to anyone and present your charges and see where they go. If there is nothing there then you owe the voters and especially Mr. Smouse one big apology for your accusations, unfounded at best.

Your hatred for this man and for the township is showing and you need to get help for this. Believe it or not the world does not revolve around you, nor does the local government bodies. You are one and you have a voice, too bad it is garbled in lies and BS.
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Dec 19, 2007
 
Here is some information from the official meeting minutes, which can be read at:
http://www.antioch.il.gov/pdfs/11-29-06VTPC.p...
Please read carefully the info under Grant Update.
Dredge and construction spoils were brought to the park without proper care. Some of the material has been identified as containing toxic materials from the HOD Superfund Site which was closed by the EPA. There are known cancer causing chemicals at the site and documentation that these chemicals also contaminated Sequoit Creek.
Smouse allowed Dredge material to be brought to the site, using Township equipment and staff. The toxic materials are considered so dangerous that even breathing a small particle could cause cancer. Is this what we need placed at a Park designed and intended for Children? Is this the act of a Life Saver?
Also, please note that smouse claims in his own words the HE is the "Primary Contact" for the site development.
Due to limitation of space, some editing the following was required.
APPROVED MINUTES
VILLAGE OF ANTIOCH / ANTIOCH TOWNSHIP
COMBINED PARK COMMITTEE MEETING
UPDATE ON GRANT
*** Township Supervisor Smouse said that he is listed as the primary contact for the grant
and we have to make sure that everything is done correctly. He said that he needs to be
informed of anything that happens with the property. He discussed the soil being stored there
and how it cannot be placed in the wetlands and at this time, we donít know how much soil we
would need there.
Township Trustee Turner discussed the village expense in moving the soil from Trevor
Creek subdivision to the park and he asked if the project went to bid. Parks and Recreation
Director said... the village is paying approximately $25,000 for the trucking portion only and Trevor Creek is paying for the rest.
***Township
Trustee Turner discussed the material removed from the channel also being placed there and
he said this type of soil lacks nitrogen and grass may not grow... He further explained a similar
situation experienced by Thelen Sand and Gravel when taking the spoils from the channel.
Township
Supervisor Smouse discussed the original grant when they purchased the property...
There was a discussion regarding the property being annexed to the village, but owned by the
Township. He said ... the
property was purchased with OSLAD funds under the Township; it has to remain under the
Township.
Dan Dalziel discussed some of the things they would need such as if the 11/04
delineation is acceptable to the DNR and receiving confirmation from the IEPA stating the soil is not a landfill. He said that at this time, he doesnít know if the property needs any fill and until we get into mass grading, he would rather fill not be brought on the site. He said placement is one issue and the Village Engineer should get the storm water permit for the fill... you need to get the erosion control plan done.
Township Trustee Turner said that we should tell Village Engineer Keith Fujihara to hold off on
bringing anymore fill until there is a grading plan in place. Dan Dalziel said they would
recommend that. There was brief discussion regarding the Village being a certified community
and the typical steps that are taken to bring in dirt, such as the earth change approval that must
be done before everything is approved. The engineer from 3D Design Studio said that he is
concerned about the amount and type of material placed on the property and they have had
discussions with Village Engineer Fujihara.
*** Village Trustee McCarty said the Village Engineer would be directed to stop bringing soil
to the property and to do a wetland delineation proposal...
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Dec 19, 2007
 
Just the Facts Please wrote:
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And where is your true name with your post here?
If you were to check out the meeting minutes from the village and township concerning this park you would find a wealth of facts on how this Park site was mismanaged. I challenge you to do so, and then come back with your facts for all to see. And after that, if you are willing, I will bring documentation to support my claims to any public hearing where all sides can be presented. This is called Democracy and this country was founded on these principals.
In America we also have freedom of speech where citizens are allowed to challenge public officials on issues like this so that the people can see to it that they are treated fairly by elected officials.
The Antioch Township offices are not setting an example of transparency for the public for whom they work! Where are the meeting minutes for this year? Why are they not posted on-line as with most all the other government agencies in Lake County? Why did Smouse allow the pollution of Sequoit Creek especially when he was warned against it? Why would he attend and participate in a fund raising event while the creek was brown like chocolate milk, and he allowed the creek to run full of pollution for most of August 5, 2007 before attempting to address the issue. Untold millions of gallons of highly polluted water washed of the park site and into the creek and then down stream to the chain of lakes and beyond. How is this responsible management of township property?
The Township has a pending violation notice from the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency because Smouse did not protect the local environment, as he was required too. I suppose you are claiming the EPA is wrong about Steve too?
I can already predict that you will be another one on this site who has all the answers but no facts to support your claims. Please present supporting documentation for your claims from verifiable and reliable sources.
Bring out your facts, and I will also, and let the public see who is correct and who is a corrupt township official.
If you have all this evidence WHY have you not gone to the states attorney so he can be charged with all of this stealing?Or are you just talking a lot of crap. I will be waiting to read about his arrest real soon in the paper.Put your actions were your mouth is or shut up.
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Dec 19, 2007
 
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Nice try, but your logic does not work...
The heading of this post is a question about how a park site is being managed. I feel it has been mis-managed and I have offered information that supports my statement. What of the IEPA, are they also hateful of Steve Smouse? Why is there a pending violation notice against the Township?

People from the township reported the violations to the proper officials and they are recommending a VN against the Township. Smouse has vowed to protect our local fresh water lakes. Do you care about the lakes here in Antioch? They are some of the best lakes in the State of Illinois.

Because you lack the facts to discuss the issue at hand, you are attempting to leading this forum in a different direction so as to avoid the obvious. It is likely due to the fact you do not have an argument to support that Smouse has done a good job at the parksite.
I do enjoy a good post but you are reaching here and trying to lead away form the true intention of the posting, has the park been mis-managed?
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Dec 19, 2007
 
OK, where in any of the minutes, which you previously ranted and raved about not being able to get, does it say that he delivered in township trucks, or that he pocketed monies for himself and friends, or for that matter that anything you have claimed. You are a fraud. Show us the test results showing that this contaminated material was brought into the park. You have lied about so many things that you have no credability and are a useless member of society.
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Dec 19, 2007
 
And so now they will blame Keith Fujihara for everything because he no longer works for the village. This is what they do,blame the last guy.By the way, Keith I don't blame you...you will be the scape goat though.
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Dec 19, 2007
 
Smouse Supporter wrote:
OK, blah, blah, blah.
Are you claiming that what I have provided so far is not correct?

Are you willing to concede that the site has been mismanaged if I provide you all the supporting documentation?

Once you have the facts will you feel differently about your pal Steve?

You have not explained your affiliation with Steve Smouse, are you a Township Trustee? Are you Steve Turner?

The IEPA requested soil-testing results for the material that was trucked to the park site. Mark Ring was asked to provide soil-testing results for the IEPA and he did because township trucks brought at least some, if not all, of the dredge into the park site.

There are several sources available for open-minded people to learn the truth.

Your posts are turning ugly and offensive against the public's right to know the activities of its government. I will not engage in such disrespect, but I will add that you are not a gentleman and respectful of others opinions.

After all this is a forum for discussion and not a place for personal attacks against those who hold an opinion that is different than yours.

Again, I am willing to bring supporting documentation to any Public Hearing on this matter. Please ask the Township supervisor to open a Public Hearing on this issue and I will certainly attend - and we can meet at that time.
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Dec 19, 2007
 
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What public documents? The Minutes from the Township meetings are available at the Antioch Library. Are there other documents that you are looking for? And what would the Rescue Squad have to do with that?
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No disrespect was meant agianst the Rescue Squad at all, or the great people there. It is a wonderful orginization with highly trained professionals.

Sorry for any confusion this may have caused.
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Dec 19, 2007
 
Sir, you are a joke. You make accusations, upon accusations, and then when called on them you try and deflect the issues by saying you are just talking about the management of the parks. Who are you trying to kid, Mr. Rowe. Yes, we are well aware who this is writing these reidculous comments. You do yourself or your causes any justice by writing slandourous items about the elected officials in this community.

Then you have the gall to try and say that I am trying to confuse the issue. You bring in falsehoods about Mr. Smouses salary, then you accuse him of embezzaling funds, then you accuse him of lining the pockets of his supporters, yet for none of these you bring not one bit of evidence to the table. So when called on you just say we are trying to change the subject, no Mr. Rowe you are trying to change the subject.

Mr. Rowe you have belittled the Rescue Squad, I hope that they do not need to come to your aid anytime soon, then you send another note saying you did not mean to disrespect the squad, who are you kidding.

In regard to who I am, I am an Antioch Township resident and have been one for over 10 years. I am a supporter of Mr. Smouses for the things he has done as our Township Supervisor. I support clean lakes and you are wrong to believe that Mr. Smouse does not also. I find it mazaing and even uneleivable that the township trustees or Mr. Smouse would do anything to harm the lakes of Antioch. If anything they would work hard to prevent this.

Enough of the accustaions, bring your compaints to the press, see what they run with, bring them to the DA, bring them to anyone that may or may not listen to your babbling.
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Dec 19, 2007
 
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Sir, you are a joke.
I do not know of the person you are referring to unless you mean Mr. Roe from Little Silver Lake, the one that has fought to protect Little Silver Lake from water pollution caused by improper construction regulation that many believe is a result of political pressure on local regulatory authorities to overlook environmental violations. Many people in this community admire his effort to protect that which is of God's creation.

Do you know that Little Silver Lake is one of the cleanest lakes in Illinois? Where was Mr. Smouse to assist the township residents that live around the lake and care for itís future? You have stated that Steve cares for the lakes so where now is your proof? Where has he best shown this deep respect and wisdom?

But what about your personal motivation here? Why are you so incensed and involved with these posts? Are you on someoneís payroll to fight the public from understanding where local corruption is happening? For example, our past governor, Mr. Ryan, was accused many times, and for some time, of wrong doing by members of the general public. After concerned people began to comment in public forums, about things that didnít add up right to them, investigations soon followed. Iím sure you know where he is now.

You claim to support open and honest government, as I do, so let us ask for a full accounting of the money used at the park site. This seems a good path to better understanding for the Public, and if as you claim, that I am wrong, I will offer a public apology to Steve Smouse. Maybe as you say these comments will lead to nothing - but maybe not - so let the facts be known.

The Osmond Park site has been carefully documented throughout the discharges that occurred there last August. Many government agencies were involved with the mis-management that took place there. Iím sure there will be plenty more coming out about this issue soon.

Are you aware of the mess that was caused there when improper construction practices were allowed? County, State and Federal authorities have cited improper Construction practices as the primary cause of the huge water pollution events that impacted the adjacent wetlands, Sequoit Creek and the chain of lakes beyond?

There are official records that are available to prove that improper construction practices were allowed on the site that Steve Smouse claimed responsibility for. Go due some homework on this matter and come back more prepared to discuss the facts.

As to your reference to the rescue squad, are you claiming they will not come to Mr. Roeís aid if he needs them? What a terrific statement to make. What type of person would make such a statement? Are you claiming to be an upstanding member of this community? I can't imagine anyone making such a statement and especially someone with ties to the emergency response community.

For that matter, why are you so offended by someone who cares for the health of the community?
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Dec 19, 2007
 
Guess Who wrote:
With the full responsibility for the Tim Osmond Sports park under Township Supervisor Steve Smouse's control, and even after State of Illinois and Lake County Scientists, Environmentalists and Township residents warned against the great potential for environmental damages to the park and adjacent high-quality wetlands, Sequoit Creek and the chain of lakes beyond, Steve Smouse still allowed bad construction practices which permitted contractors to use short-cuts to save money at the cost of the heritage and safety of our community? And where did these cost saving go? Right into Steveís pockets and his friends pockets.
While Steve likes to hide behind his affiliation with the rescue squad, and he would like all Antioch residents to believe he really cares for the community, I must ask how did he allow this to happen especially when Tim Osmond was supposedly his friend? You have berated your fallen friends name and turned the park dedicated to his memory in to a money making machine for you and your political partners.
You take $90,000 a year from the hard working taxpayers of Antioch Township and you only give back a few hours a week in exchange. I do not know how you hold your head up in Public after how you have cheated this community. How do you sleep at night knowing that you are personally responsible for harming so much in this community? And all the time taking more and more money from hard working people!
Itís ashamed you should be! Steve Smouse.
Call the states attorney with your charges or shut up.PUT YOUR MOUTH WERE YOUR BULL CRP charges are or SHUT UP.
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Dec 20, 2007
 
Mr. Roe,

I am not offended by someone who cares for the health of the community, I am offended by someone who makes slandourous comments and accusations. You have made horrible accusation about Mr. Smouse all based on your interpretation of the facts. You have no proof of these misdeads, you have your vision of reality which tends to be misdirected.

I am done with your forumns as you do not want open and honest government, you want a government that is based solely on what you, Mr. Roe wants. This is not about Antioch this is about your own personal desire to be king of Little Silver Lake.

The problem with your ideas and how you express them is that your basic ideas are good, yes, we shoudl protect our lakes and resources, yes we should have open and honest government, yes we need to punish thoise that break the trust of the people. The issue is that by you adding your own personal agenda to the mix, the valid and helpful points get lost in the translation.

Issue a positive forum on how best to protect our lakes, this may not get the attention you want, but would be helpful to the residents. Your interpreations of the events do nothing to help your cause.

This will be my last post on this subject and as such I would like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas.
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Dec 20, 2007
 
And still nothing will be done...Close to home, close to delusional.

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