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Joe
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Okay, so let me get this, only breeders can breed dogs now, so that would mean all pure breads? And wouldn't the dog and cat world eventually die off if all pets have to be fixed, they wouldn't be able to reproduce?
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Jennifer
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Ridiculous wrote: Where do I sign in support of this law?
<quoted text> Lets get a petition going, I don't think we would have a problem gettting a million signatures
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Roger
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Could we also consider politician sterilization?
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UNbelievable
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OK, the pro-ordinance folks have almost won me over on this debate. Before I totally abdicate my position, though, I'd be interested in the numbers.
Most of you are throwing out figures of millions of animals being euthanized, and this ordinance will help. Are there any stats on this from communities/counties that have implemented a similar ordinance?
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orlando native
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Joe wrote: Okay, so let me get this, only breeders can breed dogs now, so that would mean all pure breads? And wouldn't the dog and cat world eventually die off if all pets have to be fixed, they wouldn't be able to reproduce? With so many dogs and cats the put down a year, because no one wants them. I don't think that will be a problem for a very long time from now. I don't see why people will spend hundreds of dollars on an animal, when there are hundreds for animal at shelters for way less.
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Malmar
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FIRST, sterilize every elected and appointed official. At the very least
we'd never have another Bush debacle.
SECOND, make every elected and appointed official take a 10th grade FCAT before allowing them to take office.
THIRD, pass this ordinance with some amendments to permit some breeding of family pets who may or may not be "show" quality but who are purebreds. I have 3 spayed mini-Doxies, all with champions in their background, who I never intended to show or breed. My daughter, on the other hand, has 2 show quality pug females and she has, in the past, bred them so that the male pug owners could have 'pick of the litter' pups and she could sell the other pups. She is NOT in the business of breeding unless you call one or two pregancies "breeding." In which case, I offer Barbara Bush as being in the business of breeding! And look what disastrous results that produced.
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ken
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I currently own pets. Two of them are registered with the akc. I have no problem with being forced to spay are neuter unregistered pets, but I should not be forced to spay and neuter my registered pets. I plan on breeding them. Forcing registered pet owners to alter their pets decreases the value.
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Ridiculous
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Why are you breeding your animals? There are PLENTY of both purebreds and mixed breeds, as well as feral animals, that we don't need anyone breeding anymore. One litter of puppies can be up to 14 or 15 animals! There is no one to take care of them all. As long as there are strays abandoned in shelters and kennels, or left on the streets, people should NOT be letting their animals reproduce. There is no logical reason for it, unless you are just trying to make money off them, which is disgusting. Malmar wrote: FIRST, sterilize every elected and appointed official. At the very least
we'd never have another Bush debacle.
SECOND, make every elected and appointed official take a 10th grade FCAT before allowing them to take office.
THIRD, pass this ordinance with some amendments to permit some breeding of family pets who may or may not be "show" quality but who are purebreds. I have 3 spayed mini-Doxies, all with champions in their background, who I never intended to show or breed. My daughter, on the other hand, has 2 show quality pug females and she has, in the past, bred them so that the male pug owners could have 'pick of the litter' pups and she could sell the other pups. She is NOT in the business of breeding unless you call one or two pregancies "breeding." In which case, I offer Barbara Bush as being in the business of breeding! And look what disastrous results that produced.
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Law Abiding
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You are a moron wrote: How about we require sterilization as a criteria for collecting a welfare check - along with a clean drug test of course. The BEST idea voiced in this story.
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UNbelievable
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UNbelievable wrote: OK, the pro-ordinance folks have almost won me over on this debate. Before I totally abdicate my position, though, I'd be interested in the numbers.
Most of you are throwing out figures of millions of animals being euthanized, and this ordinance will help. Are there any stats on this from communities/counties that have implemented a similar ordinance? Interesting. I still hear the screams for the ordinance, but no one is willing to provide evidence that it will have the desired effect.
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Reader
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Before proceeding to sterilize you pet, consider how would you feel if you were sterilized by force.
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Sunny Daze
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I totally agree with this proposal. We have four cats in our home-three of which were unwanted strays off the streets, and one from the Humane Society. All four of them have been spayed/neutered. Everyone should spay/neuter their pets as an act of kindness to them.
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Michelle
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At least in some areas, pit bulls/mixes and lab mixes form the largest percentage of shelter dogs. Add to that the the fact that some jurisdictions have even banned pit bulls, what is a potential adopter to do - adopt a dog that they are not prepared to handle, or that another whim of the county may declare illegal?
Why not make it illegal to sell dogs and cats in retail establishments (pet shops) or flea markets? How about requiring that all pet shop puppies must be spayed/neutered before sale? None of these dogs should ever be bred, and everyone knows that puppy mills exist almost exclusively to supply pet shops.
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Ridiculous
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Those are some good suggestions. I'd be in favor of them. Michelle wrote: At least in some areas, pit bulls/mixes and lab mixes form the largest percentage of shelter dogs. Add to that the the fact that some jurisdictions have even banned pit bulls, what is a potential adopter to do - adopt a dog that they are not prepared to handle, or that another whim of the county may declare illegal?
Why not make it illegal to sell dogs and cats in retail establishments (pet shops) or flea markets? How about requiring that all pet shop puppies must be spayed/neutered before sale? None of these dogs should ever be bred, and everyone knows that puppy mills exist almost exclusively to supply pet shops.
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Francesca Oldroyd
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It proses the same problem that exists anytime you have rules, laws or require licensing.
The law abiding citizens will comply. Those who are doing WHATEVER it may be for monetary gain or avoidance of rules, will skirt around those laws.
After reading the Peta mission statement, it is my understanding that they are against any and all animal ownership. They are entitled to their opinion.
I have no problem with spaying/neutering. I have no problem with getting a license or required immunization. I have no problem with picking up after my pets.
I have a problem with a law that hurts people like me.
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Rufusdakat
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Volusia council members should nuter themselves! This is another case of a city council tring to regulate where they don't need too.
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Full Support
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If there were not so many people that were negligent with their pets we would not need laws like this. However I think the breeders getting a license to breed is a good idea. I do support individuals who breed small litters of puppy’s that are healthy and that go to a good home. They make money off the dogs, and if they can’t afford the licence they obviously can not take the puppies to the vet to get their health certificates, shots, de-worming, ect… Simply a dog having puppies just because they have to have one litter before they are fixed is IGNORANT! Spaying and nutering your animals makes them a better pet. I think this should be wide spread and fully enforced. The ASPCS does not charge that much to get them fixed, and people who have a little bit invested in their pet may take better care of them. If you can’t afford to take care of an animal simply DO NOT GET ONE! It’s not that hard to be a responsible pet owner….
As for people!!! Sterilization is a great idea… Some people should not breed! If you can’t take care of your self, you can’t take care of a litter of kids and I am tired of paying for them!
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Chester Molester
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Rufusdakat wrote: Volusia council members should nuter themselves! This is another case of a city council tring to regulate where they don't need too. Amen brother.
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Sunny Daze
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Full Support wrote: If there were not so many people that were negligent with their pets we would not need laws like this. However I think the breeders getting a license to breed is a good idea. I do support individuals who breed small litters of puppy’s that are healthy and that go to a good home. They make money off the dogs, and if they can’t afford the licence they obviously can not take the puppies to the vet to get their health certificates, shots, de-worming, ect… Simply a dog having puppies just because they have to have one litter before they are fixed is IGNORANT! Spaying and nutering your animals makes them a better pet. I think this should be wide spread and fully enforced. The ASPCS does not charge that much to get them fixed, and people who have a little bit invested in their pet may take better care of them. If you can’t afford to take care of an animal simply DO NOT GET ONE! It’s not that hard to be a responsible pet owner….
As for people!!! Sterilization is a great idea… Some people should not breed! If you can’t take care of your self, you can’t take care of a litter of kids and I am tired of paying for them! Amen!!!
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Julie
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If you think it's ridiculous, let's do a simple math equation. Approximately 40 animals are born to every 1 human. Stop and think about it for a moment. For those that claim it's an infridgment of constitutional rights due the fact that pets are considered 'personal property' do you also think it's okay for people to abuse their pets? Or do you make that acception for the laws to be enforced on what is considered your property? As far as burdening the so-called responsible pet owners....responsible pet owners HAVE their pets spayed and neutered, so it's no burden to them at all. This is a GREAT idea and until the dog and cat species are on the verge of extinction, I don't think we need to be concerned with weeding out the breeders that don't feel they should have to comply.
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