Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

[KiMare]

OkieDarren wrote:

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That it's normal and natural for some people to be gay has been documented and proven. Surely nobody thinks murder is.

Actually? Actually that is untrue.

Scientists do not know the exact cause of homosexuality. At this point they believe it to be a combination of nature (a genetic defect) and nurture.

I would encourage you to get information from more than just gay sites...

[huh]

Homophobes R Todays Nazis wrote:

"Did it Hurt" -- the divorce rate is much lower among gay married couples than it is among straight ones. They also do a better job of nourishing and educating their children. Gays commit fewer crimes, and are far less likely to abuse their children.
Get your facts straight, or just keep on hating blindly. Your choice.

Where can I find these facts? Are there statistics?

[Max]

OkieDarren wrote:

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These bogus questions from a hate group ignore that much of justice and equality doesn't follow history and tradition. Nazis like you used the same limpid excuses to oppose equality for women and interracial marriage.
You cannot provide any reason to oppose equality, so "we never did that before" is all they have.By the way that homosexuality is perfectly natural is already documented fact.

The most ruthless, murderous Nazi of all was a notorious homosexual. His name was Ernst Roehm. He was next in line to succeed Hitler and the rest of the Nazis were so fearful of him and his violent homosexuality, they succeeded in persuading Hitler into believing that Roehm was attempting to overthrow him. As a result, they murdered him. This stuff with gays calling people Nazis because they don't approve of the homo lifestyle is bogus. There are as many gay people whom you could describe as Nazis as other types. It is used as a ignorance defense such as "whatever".

[KiMare]

huh wrote:

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Where can I find these facts? Are there statistics?

They are not facts, and there are no statistics.

There are debunked studies.

Read this article;

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/302749...

"Of the 50-plus such studies done in the past 15 years, the vast majority come to the same conclusion: Children of gay parents perform at least as well as children from heterosexual families; there is no difference in child outcomes based on family structure.

For several reasons, this literature is unlike anything else within social science. First, it partly arose from, and was strongly influenced by, legal cases in which lesbian mothers were denied custody of their children on the basis of their sexual orientation. Second, for the most part it has been written by individuals with strong personal worldviews who sympathize with those studied. Third, the focus of the literature is often on “soft” measures of child and family performance that are not easily verifiable by third-party replication, and that differ substantially from measures used in other family studies. One of the odd characteristics of this literature is the lack of consistency of measures across time. Subsequent studies seldom test for measures that were used in previous studies. Fourth, the data and procedures used in the studies are never made available online in order for other scholars to replicate findings. And finally, almost all the literature on gay parenting is based on weak designs, biased samples, and low-powered tests.

The result is a nascent literature that falls far short of standard social-science research. At its best, the literature contains interesting exploratory studies that raise provocative questions and make interesting observations. At its worst, it is advocacy aimed at legislators and judges — which may explain why, despite its weak scientific nature, the literature is characterized by strong recommendations for policy and legal changes to family regulations."

[Herbert Derpkins]

Herbert Derpkins wrote:

Seriously, just SHUT THE HELL UP!
You either AGREE with Gay Marriage, or you DISAGREE, what in the HELL is the point of keeping this thread going? You will NEVER get through to the other side about the subject.
So in conclusion, SHUT THE HELL UP!

What I said.

[Not Yet Equal]

Every mainstream medical and mental health organization in the country agree being gay is a normal expression of being human for a minority of the population.

“Research over several decades has demonstrated that sexual orientation ranges along a continuum, from exclusive attraction to the other sex to exclusive attraction to the same sex. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding.”(American Psychological Association)

Yet even if being gay was some sort of genetic defect, we do not restrict equal rights on the basis of genetic defects. There is no scientifically justifiable excuse nor legitimate governmental interest sufficient for harming gay people through denial of equal rights, as required by the constitution.

[KiMare]

Not Yet Equal wrote:

Every mainstream medical and mental health organization in the country agree being gay is a normal expression of being human for a minority of the population.
“Research over several decades has demonstrated that sexual orientation ranges along a continuum, from exclusive attraction to the other sex to exclusive attraction to the same sex. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding.”(American Psychological Association)
Yet even if being gay was some sort of genetic defect, we do not restrict equal rights on the basis of genetic defects. There is no scientifically justifiable excuse nor legitimate governmental interest sufficient for harming gay people through denial of equal rights, as required by the constitution.

An assessment knowingly made with faulty information.

In the face of sexuality that at the crossover point between femininity and masculinity is 4 percent GLBT. A clear indication of genetic defect.

Gays have every ability to pursue legitimate rights associated with their handicap.

[Not Yet Equal]

KiMare wrote:

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An assessment knowingly made with faulty information.
In the face of sexuality that at the crossover point between femininity and masculinity is 4 percent GLBT. A clear indication of genetic defect.
Gays have every ability to pursue legitimate rights associated with their handicap.

Again, that includes every mainstream medical and mental health organization in the country.

They all agree being gay is a normal expression of being human for a minority of the population. Your prejudice is irrational.

Equal rights are legitimate.

[Not Yet Equal]

"Prejudice and discrimination have social and personal impact. On the social level, prejudice and discrimination against lesbian, gay, and bisexual people are reflected in the everyday stereotypes of members of these groups. These stereotypes persist even though they are not supported by evidence, and they are often used to excuse unequal treatment of lesbian, gay, and bisexual people. For example, limitations on job opportunities, parenting, and relationship recognition are often justified by stereotypic assumptions about lesbian, gay, and bisexual people.

On an individual level, such prejudice and discrimination may also have negative consequences, especially if lesbian, gay, and bisexual people attempt to conceal or deny their sexual orientation. Although many lesbians and gay men learn to cope with the social stigma against homosexuality, this pattern of prejudice can have serious negative effects on health and well-being. Individuals and groups may have the impact of stigma reduced or worsened by other characteristics, such as race, ethnicity, religion, or disability. Some lesbian, gay, and bisexual people may face less of a stigma. For others, race, sex, religion, disability, or other characteristics may exacerbate the negative impact of prejudice and discrimination.

The widespread prejudice, discrimination, and violence to which lesbians and gay men are often subjected are significant mental health concerns. Sexual prejudice, sexual orientation discrimination, and antigay violence are major sources of stress for lesbian, gay, and bisexual people. Although social support is crucial in coping with stress, antigay attitudes and discrimination may make it difficult for lesbian, gay, and bisexual people to find such support."
APA

[dances with weebles]

KiMare wrote:

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An assessment knowingly made with faulty information.
In the face of sexuality that at the crossover point between femininity and masculinity is 4 percent GLBT. A clear indication of genetic defect.
Gays have every ability to pursue legitimate rights associated with their handicap.

and you pulled those numbers out of where?

left handed is a genetic defect
red hair is a genetic defect
green eyes are a genetic defect
hammer toe is a genetic defect
6 fingers or toes is a genetic defect
intersexed is a genetic 'defect'

do you have a point that you'd like to make here?

[JOE]

Stupid is as Stupid does.

[KiMare]

dances with weebles wrote:

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and you pulled those numbers out of where?
left handed is a genetic defect
red hair is a genetic defect
green eyes are a genetic defect
hammer toe is a genetic defectJ
6 fingers or toes is a genetic defect
intersexed is a genetic 'defect'
do you have a point that you'd like to make here?

We already know you are a lying minister.

Look up the differences between genetic traits, mutations and defects.

[staggers with drunks]

Barney Frank got married.
He looks very happy.

[So What]

Don't worry yourself about it.

[-Mumsford Buttsniffer-]

Marvy, darlings!

[Whatever]

Intelligent people have more important things to be concerned about. A lesser intellect can not focus on more complicated matters and they waste what little intelligence they do have trying to focus on things that they can't possibly understand.

[KiMare]

Whatever wrote:

Intelligent people have more important things to be concerned about. A lesser intellect can not focus on more complicated matters and they waste what little intelligence they do have trying to focus on things that they can't possibly understand.

So why are you even on here.

I bet you are a blonde from CA.

Smile.

[KiMare]

Whatever wrote:

Intelligent people have more important things to be concerned about. A lesser intellect can not focus on more complicated matters and they waste what little intelligence they do have trying to focus on things that they can't possibly understand.

This is too funny.

You are talking about intelligence, and your post handle is 'whatever'???

[Quest]

KiMare wrote:

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An assessment knowingly made with faulty information.
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EVERY mainstream medical association made "faulty" assesments.

But YOU do not?

[Who Cares]

So what.