Nine Students Arrested After RHAM High School Melee

Full story: Hartford Courant

The incident began about 12:30 p.m., when the argument erupted between a group of students at the regional high school that serves the towns of Hebron, Marlborough and Andover.

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May 8, 2008
 
wow...
Ct Luver

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May 8, 2008
 
Suburban brawl--sounds like a good movie.
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Lets try and get the facts straight. This situation was created by a failure on the part of the administration to deal with the individuals that have been verbally harassing the Seniors for months, making racially charged remarks and threatening harm to these guys and their friends, even being allowed to do so on a public stage a at school fundraiser. the events yesterday could have been avoided if the Sophmore who threatened to bring a gun to school and kill the Senior, had been removed from the school immediately. Instead he was allowed to lunch with his friends in the cafe and verbally taunt the group of seniors. When the Senior who was threatened responded verbally, the administration and police watch and allowed it to escallate instead of removing the sophmore making the threats. It was another Senior who appoached the two and attempted to remove his friend. That senior, was struck in the temple by the sophmore and then was attacked by the rest of the sophmore group who ripped his shirt over his head, knocking his glasses and ipod off to the floor. The vp approached the Senior and the two tripped over a table leg to the floor. When they got up, the senior who attempted to prevent the situation from escallating as it did, walked away, he did not fight. The administration failed these student and the police that were present did nothing to prevent the matter from escallating (our tax $$ at work). and as a result the Seniors, who are the victims here, are being punished, while the minors, who have been making publically harassing and threatening remarks against these seniors (and their friends) for months, are not being held accountable for their actions by the administration or the law. The fact that the seniors have walked away from the situation for months and even this time when the threat included guns, they did not instigate the situation that occured or strike the first blow, they were attacked by someone who threatened to kill one of them and still some of the accused clearly tried to defuse the situation before it escallated, they will pay not just with the loss of participation in their senior actiivites but potentially with their futures. All because the situation that the administration failed to address seriously overwhelmed them. They may be 18 but they are still boys and underneath it all they are not as tough as they appear. Next time Courant, get the facts before you name names turn the victims into the guilty.
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May 8, 2008
 
I agree. Even after Columbine and other events in the past, I find that teachers and administrators in our local schools still look the other way when bullying and threating occurs. I don't know why though.
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Lets try and get the facts straight. This situation was created by a failure on the part of the administration to deal with the individuals that have been verbally harassing the Seniors for months, making racially charged remarks and threatening harm to these guys and their friends, even being allowed to do so on a public stage a at school fundraiser. the events yesterday could have been avoided if the Sophmore who threatened to bring a gun to school and kill the Senior, had been removed from the school immediately. Instead he was allowed to lunch with his friends in the cafe and verbally taunt the group of seniors. When the Senior who was threatened responded verbally, the administration and police watch and allowed it to escallate instead of removing the sophmore making the threats. It was another Senior who appoached the two and attempted to remove his friend. That senior, was struck in the temple by the sophmore and then was attacked by the rest of the sophmore group who ripped his shirt over his head, knocking his glasses and ipod off to the floor. The vp approached the Senior and the two tripped over a table leg to the floor. When they got up, the senior who attempted to prevent the situation from escallating as it did, walked away, he did not fight. The administration failed these student and the police that were present did nothing to prevent the matter from escallating (our tax $$ at work). and as a result the Seniors, who are the victims here, are being punished, while the minors, who have been making publically harassing and threatening remarks against these seniors (and their friends) for months, are not being held accountable for their actions by the administration or the law. The fact that the seniors have walked away from the situation for months and even this time when the threat included guns, they did not instigate the situation that occured or strike the first blow, they were attacked by someone who threatened to kill one of them and still some of the accused clearly tried to defuse the situation before it escallated, they will pay not just with the loss of participation in their senior actiivites but potentially with their futures. All because the situation that the administration failed to address seriously overwhelmed them. They may be 18 but they are still boys and underneath it all they are not as tough as they appear. Next time Courant, get the facts before you name names turn the victims into the guilty.
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May 8, 2008
 
10 days suspension for all, not just the sophomores. Seniors should get same punishment, not more.

Shame on the administration! What punishment do you get for not doing your Job?
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May 8, 2008
 
RHAM Parent wrote:
Lets try and get the facts straight. This situation was created by a failure on the part of the administration to deal with the individuals that have been verbally harassing the Seniors for months, making racially charged remarks and threatening harm to these guys and their friends, even being allowed to do so on a public stage a at school fundraiser. the events yesterday could have been avoided if the Sophmore who threatened to bring a gun to school and kill the Senior, had been removed from the school immediately. Instead he was allowed to lunch with his friends in the cafe and verbally taunt the group of seniors. When the Senior who was threatened responded verbally, the administration and police watch and allowed it to escallate instead of removing the sophmore making the threats. It was another Senior who appoached the two and attempted to remove his friend. That senior, was struck in the temple by the sophmore and then was attacked by the rest of the sophmore group who ripped his shirt over his head, knocking his glasses and ipod off to the floor. The vp approached the Senior and the two tripped over a table leg to the floor. When they got up, the senior who attempted to prevent the situation from escallating as it did, walked away, he did not fight. The administration failed these student and the police that were present did nothing to prevent the matter from escallating (our tax $$ at work). and as a result the Seniors, who are the victims here, are being punished, while the minors, who have been making publically harassing and threatening remarks against these seniors (and their friends) for months, are not being held accountable for their actions by the administration or the law. The fact that the seniors have walked away from the situation for months and even this time when the threat included guns, they did not instigate the situation that occured or strike the first blow, they were attacked by someone who threatened to kill one of them and still some of the accused clearly tried to defuse the situation before it escallated, they will pay not just with the loss of participation in their senior actiivites but potentially with their futures. All because the situation that the administration failed to address seriously overwhelmed them. They may be 18 but they are still boys and underneath it all they are not as tough as they appear. Next time Courant, get the facts before you name names turn the victims into the guilty.
Were you there? You sure have a lot of false information about this incident. If this is what your child told you then unfortunutly they were highly mistaken about the events that occured. I say get your facts straight before you make false accusations.
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May 8, 2008
 
I have seen several videos on cell phones that were taken of this incident by students that were in the cafeteria. My daughter was also a witness to the entire incident.. "the seniors are the victims?" the part of the footage in these videos that made the biggest impact on me was a black student a sophmore lying nconscious on the floor of the cafeteria after being beaten senseless by seniors

Anyone every hear of the saying "sticks and stones" they beat the heck out of each other over name calling. Didn't these parent ever teach kids to ignore stupidty on the parts of others? The n word was used by white to black and a brawl was the result.. the n work from a black to a black and a bond is formed... go figure.. what a double standard and the end result, kids have lost scholarships, prom and graduations one is in the hospital all because none of them acted like responsible respectufl human beings.

as far as the rumors of threatening with guns.. several students reported this sophomore had threatened it, yet NO ONE was able to prove the threat in anyway. who actually reported this threat? could it have been the seniors or was it other kids?

Yes 18 years old is an adult legally and at times even morally and emotionally when a child is raised correctly by their parents.. an 18 year old is still a boy when parents fail to do their duty as parents....

Get real, the kids are not totally at fault, the parents need to buck up and take responsbility for the way they have raised these kids.
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May 8, 2008
 
I'm moving back to Hartford where its safe in the schools.
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May 8, 2008
 
parent of rham student wrote:
I have seen several videos on cell phones that were taken of this incident by students that were in the cafeteria. My daughter was also a witness to the entire incident.. "the seniors are the victims?" the part of the footage in these videos that made the biggest impact on me was a black student a sophmore lying nconscious on the floor of the cafeteria after being beaten senseless by seniors
Anyone every hear of the saying "sticks and stones" they beat the heck out of each other over name calling. Didn't these parent ever teach kids to ignore stupidty on the parts of others? The n word was used by white to black and a brawl was the result.. the n work from a black to a black and a bond is formed... go figure.. what a double standard and the end result, kids have lost scholarships, prom and graduations one is in the hospital all because none of them acted like responsible respectufl human beings.
as far as the rumors of threatening with guns.. several students reported this sophomore had threatened it, yet NO ONE was able to prove the threat in anyway. who actually reported this threat? could it have been the seniors or was it other kids?
Yes 18 years old is an adult legally and at times even morally and emotionally when a child is raised correctly by their parents.. an 18 year old is still a boy when parents fail to do their duty as parents....
Get real, the kids are not totally at fault, the parents need to buck up and take responsbility for the way they have raised these kids.
it's funny how you say you've seen "several videos" when i was the only one who took the original video on MY phone and it is still the only video that is circulation our school. nobody was "lying nconscious on the floor of the cafeteria" and this fight wasnt "over name calling" it was over a threat to shoot someone with a gun. And the Senior being threatened was the one that went to the administration to report this threat towards him. so get the facts straight. these kids were being threatened. end of story. this never would have happened if administration took the proper precautions and removed the student threatening to bring the gun to school and shoot the senior to begin with. You can not sit there and point blame on parents. Being a parent you should know that you can only teach your child so much and hope that they use what you've taught them in decision making in times such as this. It is not just the seniors faults or the sophmores faults and certainly not the parents. That sophmore (who indeed has the guns at his house because they were discovered by the cops prior) should not have been walking the halls of my high school. My friend shouldnt have been in a panic that day, worried about his life. The administration should'nt have left this issue with only a bag check. who's to say he didnt hand the gun off to one of his friends or put it in his locker when all they did was search his backpack? If that was the case, he could've gotten up when the fight started and shot my friend dead. or he could've missed and shot at one of the other 100+ students that were in the cafe at that time, including me. then whose fault would it be? The sophmore was the one who took this to a physical level because he through the first punch. prior to throwing the first punch, he also had to push the cop and the vp out the the way. And in an attempt to save his friend, the other senior tried to pull him back and instead got punched in the head by the sophmore. The ignorant and misinformed parents can sit here and arguee over an article online and try to point fingers at these kids and their innocent parents and call them stupid and immature but when it comes down to it, this all could have been avoided if administration took care of the issue correctly instead of brushing it off and leaving this senior in a state of panic.
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May 8, 2008
 
In Agreement wrote:
I agree. Even after Columbine and other events in the past, I find that teachers and administrators in our local schools still look the other way when bullying and threating occurs. I don't know why though.
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Seems to me that you might be the parent of the senior that so called "walked away and didn't fight" or you know this person pretty well. Is is possible the person that has provided you your information is part of that group of "victimized seniors" that call themselves the "Tree House Bandits?"

Several witness that were in no way involved in this altercation have provided statements and collaborting video to the faculty and police that they witnessed the following:

A senior approached the sophmore (who was sitting down) and began to yell and swear in the sophmore's face.

The senior then SPIT in the sophmore's face and this is when the sophmore stood up and punched the senior for spitting in his face.

Another group of seniors then came over to "defend" their friend and began to beat the daylights out of the sophmore.

A few sophomore's tried to pull the seniors off of the sophmore that was being beaten.

6 seniors attacked the sophomore on the floor.

A senior smashed the sophmore in the back of the head as the sophmore was lying on the floor (face down... not moving) and thus causing facial trauma and bleeding.

The senior that had his shirt "ripped off" of him.. is seen on the video as ripping it off himself.. in a wrestle mania style display of theatrics.. seems this is a common occurance with this senior displaying this type of self undressing in regards to his shirt...

Kind of hard to take facts being reported from the "senior victims and friends" as unbiased.

Also on the videos, you can clearly see CSP calling for back up..not standing around watching!!! One of the troopers was injured by a student... hmm did that happen as he stood on the sideline watching?

Within moments of the fight starting.. RHAM admin repsonded from the office... CSP was notified... what else did you want them to do?

A gun threat was investigated yesterday as a senior that had threated to shoot the black sophmore was searched for a weapon and non was found.

You tell the courant to get its facts straight before naming names? The police report regarding the criminal assualt and battery by these 18 years old named the names first. These students chose to have their futures jepordized when they made and acted on a decision to assualt and injure another human being.

Actions bring consequences.

Excuses are not justification for action.
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May 8, 2008
 
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Seems to me that you might be the parent of the senior that so called "walked away and didn't fight" or you know this person pretty well. Is is possible the person that has provided you your information is part of that group of "victimized seniors" that call themselves the "Tree House Bandits?"
Several witness that were in no way involved in this altercation have provided statements and collaborting video to the faculty and police that they witnessed the following:
A senior approached the sophmore (who was sitting down) and began to yell and swear in the sophmore's face.
The senior then SPIT in the sophmore's face and this is when the sophmore stood up and punched the senior for spitting in his face.
Another group of seniors then came over to "defend" their friend and began to beat the daylights out of the sophmore.
A few sophomore's tried to pull the seniors off of the sophmore that was being beaten.
6 seniors attacked the sophomore on the floor.
A senior smashed the sophmore in the back of the head as the sophmore was lying on the floor (face down... not moving) and thus causing facial trauma and bleeding.
The senior that had his shirt "ripped off" of him.. is seen on the video as ripping it off himself.. in a wrestle mania style display of theatrics.. seems this is a common occurance with this senior displaying this type of self undressing in regards to his shirt...
Kind of hard to take facts being reported from the "senior victims and friends" as unbiased.
Also on the videos, you can clearly see CSP calling for back up..not standing around watching!!! One of the troopers was injured by a student... hmm did that happen as he stood on the sideline watching?
Within moments of the fight starting.. RHAM admin repsonded from the office... CSP was notified... what else did you want them to do?
A gun threat was investigated yesterday as a senior that had threated to shoot the black sophmore was searched for a weapon and non was found.
You tell the courant to get its facts straight before naming names? The police report regarding the criminal assualt and battery by these 18 years old named the names first. These students chose to have their futures jepordized when they made and acted on a decision to assualt and injure another human being.
Actions bring consequences.
Excuses are not justification for action.
ARE YOU KIDDING ME. WHO ARE YOU!?!?!?! the senior did NOT spit in his face. the other seniors didnt all get up. one did. to try to pull his friend back. after the sophmore threw the first punch, the rest of them got up. HE WAS NOT LAYING ON THE FLOOR HELPLESS. in MY video he is clearly up and walking around, as well as everyone else that was involved in the fight. and the senior took his shirt off, becuse it had already been ripped by the sophmore. and the senior didnt threaten the sophmore, the sophmore threatened the senior. so where are you getting YOUR facts from!? id LOVE to know.
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May 8, 2008
 
You statements reflect and angle of being a "biased depiction of the fight by a "friend" of the "senior victim"
It was surprising to read that you are actually that naive to claim that you have the ONLY video that was taken of this fight. I have news for you.... You are NOT. Seems more then one person recorded this fight and most have given their videos to authorities and are sharing this video to others. I have seen more then one video. So I can state emphatically state that you are NOT the only one in possession of the ONLY video.
By the way cell phone on average record 15-30 second clips.. This fight lasted more then 15-30 seconds, so it is conceivable that your video would show the sophomore still on his feet if you did not shoot video towards the end of the fight. How many videos did you record? I apologize, I stand corrected.. You had stated that you shot ONE,(the only one) which means you have one 15- 30 second clip. The 2 that I have seen were from 2 different times during the fight.
The whole situation is horrible.
I am concerned that if police did indeed (as you claim) find a gun at this sophomore’s house, why the weapons were were not removed and why were charges not accessed to the sophomore. Could it be possible that there was not enough evidence to support the claim that this student threatened another? Was there actually a claim of this nature even presented to authorities?
Both parties are at fault. One no more then the other. 2 wrongs do not make a right and actions of both led up to the outcome of yesterday.
The biggest fear at this point in time is the question of who is going retaliate, when and how?
Thank goodness there are 29 days left to this term. I can only hope and pray that no further tragedy comes from this.
You are right.. Innocent people are involved. My child (a freshman) is one of them. I thought RHAM was a safer high school then most... at this point it is clear.. Safety is not to be found anywhere.
This is going to tear the student body apart as far as being a unified student body. I can guarantee it will turn into a "senior supporter" and "sophomore supporter" debate that will last the rest of this term with more then one possible fight occurring as a result due to emotions running so high from this.
From the amount of posts so far, it seems the senior body is being represented as the most passionate in the claim of innocence and of victimization by the underclassman.
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ARE YOU KIDDING ME. WHO ARE YOU!?!?!?! the senior did NOT spit in his face. the other seniors didnt all get up. one did. to try to pull his friend back. after the sophmore threw the first punch, the rest of them got up. HE WAS NOT LAYING ON THE FLOOR HELPLESS. in MY video he is clearly up and walking around, as well as everyone else that was involved in the fight. and the senior took his shirt off, becuse it had already been ripped by the sophmore. and the senior didnt threaten the sophmore, the sophmore threatened the senior. so where are you getting YOUR facts from!? id LOVE to know.
I am getting my information from people that are not defendants of either party involved. Therefore have no cause for concern on how their depiction of the actions would cause favoritism to either side.

The students that I have spoken to(and have seen their videos)are not even seniors or sophomores and have no affiliation with either group. No personal benefit would be received in twisting the story to suit one group or the other.
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May 8, 2008
 
I have read the article in the paper and I have read all of your comments, and I would like to say that I know these boys. I have seen them play basketball and been apart of community activites in these three towns. I know that fighting isnt the answer to any means, but I would like to say that neither is threatening with a gun. The school shootings that have taken place not only on the high school but college level isnt nothing to take lightly. I dont have a student that goes to RHAM and fankly I am glad. It is sad that the administration didnt step in and handle this situations. The children shouldnt be the only ones blamed for this. The school knew that there was tensions between them and should have defered the situation before it was even taken this far. On another note, lets all be thankful that this kid didnt bring the gun to school, and it didnt end in another shooting. Instead of people scolding these students maybe they should sit down and talk to there children about the violence that can take place, and think of ways that it can be avoided.
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May 8, 2008
 
I think we might be looking at this as too "one did right, one did wrong." The first time that I as a student witnessed any tension between the two "gangs" of kids was at a school fundraiser, when one of the sophomore "gang" members performed a rap that bashed players on the football team, and made fun of the gang that some of the accused seniors made. From there, the older seniors went on to online bully the sophomore, and he was suspended for using racially charged words online. There was more online bullying and I've even seen slurs against both gangs in driver's ed manuals at the local driving school. A few months ago one senior threw milk and pasta on the rapper from the fundraiser. It just seems like a lot of back and forth to me. Both "gangs" of boys are to blame for the violence, because neither group did anything to just let the argument go. What do seniors care what sophomores think of them? And why do sophomores bother to tease seniors that they don't respect - just let it go and ignore them like the rest of us do. Taking sides in this matter doesn't really make sense. In the cold facts, this was just the climax of a growing battle between a small group of underclassmen who didn't respect a small group of upperclassmen, who got angry over it. Maybe they should learn to respect themselves, and each other, and should move on from the entire thing. It's completely barbaric to lose years of hard work over a rap song and a food fight. How juvenile are we? I hope that fellow Connecticut residents do not think this is who RHAM students are. Most of us are good students who don't get involved with this "warfare" - we just laugh it off.
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May 8, 2008
 
Wow I can't believe all these falls statements. Clearly people have not scene these videos. First of all nobody was unconscious on the floor, ever. Nobody was spit in the face, ever. However, several students involved in the fight assualted both the principle and the state trooper, which parents, is completely unacceptable. The only person that seems to be telling any of the truth is "RHAM Student" It's rediculous that parents who's children were involved in the fight are trying to defend their actions. Face it, your kids were out of control and completely deserve whatever fine or jail time they are given. Assaulting a police officer is completely unacceptable.
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May 8, 2008
 
To be blunt, this is very puerile. I myself was a witness to this situation and I found it to be quite ridiculous. My friends and I were enjoying lunch when all of a sudden a senior screamed a phrase that is vulgar and only shows how ill bred one such as he is. I found it appalling when the sophomore got up and punched the other student in the face. All students involved in the dispute are wrong and I find everyone involved being iniquitous barbaric children, for soon-to-be adults should not be acting like that at all. Can people accusing only one side or the other truly have a clear conscience? I think any parent sitting there defending one side is completely out of line, unless you got your facts from students and actually saw footage, your words are about as useful as a compulsive liar on a witness stand. And as for the student who sits there pointing fingers, you should be the last one running your mouth, for all of you involved or who know the involved should be ashamed that you had to beat people to make yourselves feel better. As for the RHAM parent, you say that “they are still boys and underneath it all they are not as tough as they appear.” How dare you sit there and make an imbecilic excuse? You are only making yourself sound absurd by cooing over the seniors and trying to make what they did seam justifiable. The sophomores also have nothing to brag about at all because it was one of them who did throw the first punch. EVERYONE involved is guilty and no one, absolutely no one should feel the need to defend one side or the other. And thanks to the disagreement between a small group of boys in the senior and sophomore classes, everyone else in the school now has to walk in fear not knowing if one side or the other is going to invoke more violence as revenge. This only proves how farcical this whole situation is. Please, everyone get over yourselves. As for the argument over the videos, I don’t need to see one like some parents. I know what I saw, a bunch of soon-to-be adults acting like a bunch of uncivilized animals. Whatever happened to the evolution of humans?
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May 8, 2008
 
This fight was between two self-proclaimed 'gangs'. Their abuse of each other has been going on for months both in and out of school. Some of these boys have harsh tempers. In fact, I have personally witnessed one of the 18 year olds spit on an opponent during a basketball game. These students do not reflect the population at RHAM. I'd like to give credit to the student who were present and used good judgement,and to those who gave unbiased eye-witness reports to the authorities.
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May 8, 2008
 
meg, i love you haha

first, if someone told me and my friend they were going to "blow my head off" that day in school, i would have reacted very similarly. There is no one group of people to blame this on. One, if the administration gets wind of a student who has possesion of a gun SOMETHING BESIDES A SIMPLE SEARCH SHOULD BE DONE. There should have been another procedure more affective and to reassure students they were not at risk.

These boys are not in "gangs". They simply are a tight group of friend that bond together. They just like to name their group. Pathetic and dumb yes, true gang mortality, ha none.

I personally for bad for some of the seniors in trouble. Yes they are at fault to but hey, its there last few weeks in high school, going to college, and this could potentially blow their ride, let alone shatter any hope at a respectable future. They made a wrong descision, but what they are about to suffer is not what they desereve. There are mitagating cicumstances that should cause a lesser punishment.

And if i see a kid who said he was going to kill another student walk the RHAM hallways again, the board of ed. will NOT be having a good day:]
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May 8, 2008
 
ignore where it says i'm from, i can't get it to change. grrrrrrrr.

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