Lesser Known Baldwin Brother to Headl...

Lesser Known Baldwin Brother to Headline Ex-Gay Conference

There are 326 comments on the EDGE story from Oct 18, 2013, titled Lesser Known Baldwin Brother to Headline Ex-Gay Conference. In it, EDGE reports that:

Right Wing Watch reports that actor Stephen Baldwin, brother of actor and liberal activist Alec Baldwin, will be a featured speaker at an ex-gay conference later this month.

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Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#204 Oct 25, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Dickbreath, I said it did. We all know you have bigger problems.
I said you and your partner are incapable of creating a family. Dumb is a prerequisite for gay posters.
Adoption creates a family, jackass.

Whatever.... you seem to be running out of stupid arguments and have switched to RIDICULOUS arguments.

I think it's cute that you are so interested in ex-gays that you choose to write about family.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#205 Oct 25, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Some woman gave birth to your child, she was your partner in that deal. Now that you have what you want you call her irrelevant. You couldn't have done it without her.
Someone built my house & my car too, but they aren't relevant in my life either.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#206 Oct 25, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>
Adoption creates a family, jackass.
One more time:
"Dickbreath, I said it did."

Doesn't change a thing. You and your partner can't create a family.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#207 Oct 25, 2013
Wondering wrote:
She is family, she's the Mom. I can't dumb this down anymore.
If you don't get it, blame your schooling.
Then a spouse IS family! Why have you been disagreeing with that?

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#208 Oct 25, 2013
Wondering wrote:
She is family, she's the Mom. I can't dumb this down anymore.
If you don't get it, blame your schooling.
She may be the kids' family, but you have been arguing over the previous several pages of posts that SHE IS NOT YOUR FAMILY!!!

Wondering, post #88
"No, you'll be a married couple." This in reply to "When I marry my partner, we'll be a family of two."

Wondering, post #105
"A married couple is a married couple. A family is a married couple with children."

Wondering, post #110
"She is my wife. When we had children we became a family."

Wondering, post #111
"Your wife isn't a family, she's your wife."

Wondering, post #116
"Of course not, that's why they are husband and wife. They are not a 'family' until they share children."

That YOU do not claim HER as FAMILY is what the rest of us find strange.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#209 Oct 26, 2013
DaveinMass wrote:
<quoted text>
She may be the kids' family, but you have been arguing over the previous several pages of posts that SHE IS NOT YOUR FAMILY!!!
Wondering, post #88
"No, you'll be a married couple." This in reply to "When I marry my partner, we'll be a family of two."
Wondering, post #105
"A married couple is a married couple. A family is a married couple with children."
Wondering, post #110
"She is my wife. When we had children we became a family."
Wondering, post #111
"Your wife isn't a family, she's your wife."
Wondering, post #116
"Of course not, that's why they are husband and wife. They are not a 'family' until they share children."
That YOU do not claim HER as FAMILY is what the rest of us find strange.
Oh, look, a re-run. Here you go:
All of those statements are accurate. Why do you insist on making yourself look a little more stupid each time you respond?

If you want to have spouse mean something else then you go ahead and have it mean whatever you want it to. Do you know what some married couples do? They start a family. If you want to believe that means they each go out and marry more men and women you can, I don't care how stupid you look.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#210 Oct 26, 2013
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
Then a spouse IS family! Why have you been disagreeing with that?
As long as there are children. With no children there is a husband and wife, not a family. A family is a couple with one or more children. It can even be a single person with one or more children. If you have no children and you are married, you are a husband and wife. Something you will never be able to do with your partner is start a family. Yes, you can adopt but a third person is involved. It doesn't change the fact that you and your partner can't start a family.
QUEST

Boston, VA

#211 Oct 26, 2013
This argument is odd, but perhaps the legal definition of family might help. It seems everyone is right, depending on the usage.

What is FAMILY?
A collective body of persons who live in one house and under one head or management..Tarhoe v. Jarboe, 100 Mo. App. 459, 79 S. W. 1162; Dodge v. Boston &T. R. Corp., 154 Mass. 299, 28 N. E. 243, 13 L. R. A. 318; Tyson v. Reynolds, 52 Iowa,431, 3 N. W. 469.A family comprises a father, mother, and children. In a wider sense, it may include domestic servants; all who live in one house under one head. In a still broader sense, a group of blood-relatives; all the relations who descend from a common ancestor, or who spring from a common root. See Civil Code La. art. 3522, no. 16; 9 Ves. 323.A husband and wife living together may constitute a “family,” within the meaning of that word as used in a homestead law. Miller v. Finegan, 26 Fla. 29, 7 South. 140, 6 L.R. A. 813.”Family,” in its origin, meant “servants;” but, in its more modern and comprehensive meaning, it signifies a collective body of persons living together in one house, or within the curtilage, in legal phrase. Wilson v. Cochran, 31 Tex. 677. 98 Am. Dec. 553.”Family” may mean children, wife and children, blood-relatives, or the members of the domestic circle, according to the connection in which the word is used

Law Dictionary: http://thelawdictionary.org/family/#ixzz2ipph...
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#212 Oct 26, 2013
QUEST wrote:
This argument is odd, but perhaps the legal definition of family might help. It seems everyone is right, depending on the usage.
What is FAMILY?
A collective body of persons who live in one house and under one head or management..Tarhoe v. Jarboe, 100 Mo. App. 459, 79 S. W. 1162; Dodge v. Boston &T. R. Corp., 154 Mass. 299, 28 N. E. 243, 13 L. R. A. 318; Tyson v. Reynolds, 52 Iowa,431, 3 N. W. 469.A family comprises a father, mother, and children. In a wider sense, it may include domestic servants; all who live in one house under one head. In a still broader sense, a group of blood-relatives; all the relations who descend from a common ancestor, or who spring from a common root. See Civil Code La. art. 3522, no. 16; 9 Ves. 323.A husband and wife living together may constitute a “family,” within the meaning of that word as used in a homestead law. Miller v. Finegan, 26 Fla. 29, 7 South. 140, 6 L.R. A. 813.”Family,” in its origin, meant “servants;” but, in its more modern and comprehensive meaning, it signifies a collective body of persons living together in one house, or within the curtilage, in legal phrase. Wilson v. Cochran, 31 Tex. 677. 98 Am. Dec. 553.”Family” may mean children, wife and children, blood-relatives, or the members of the domestic circle, according to the connection in which the word is used
Law Dictionary: http://thelawdictionary.org/family/#ixzz2ipph...
The only one listed that calls a husband and wife family:
A husband and wife living together may constitute a “family,” within the meaning of that word as used in a homestead law.

Interesting that in Massachusetts there can only be one person designated the homesteader. Now, if he or she dies and the property is jointly held the survivor can then file to become the homesteader.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#213 Oct 26, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
One more time:
"Dickbreath, I said it did."
Doesn't change a thing. You and your partner can't create a family.
So we can't adopt? You forgot your Aricept again.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#214 Oct 26, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
As long as there are children. With no children there is a husband and wife, not a family. A family is a couple with one or more children. It can even be a single person with one or more children. If you have no children and you are married, you are a husband and wife. Something you will never be able to do with your partner is start a family. Yes, you can adopt but a third person is involved. It doesn't change the fact that you and your partner can't start a family.
You are the dumbest dick in the drawer if you think husband and wife aren't family. You are not going to get ANY judge or lawyer or even a 5th grader to agree with that.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#215 Oct 26, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
The only one listed that calls a husband and wife family:
A husband and wife living together may constitute a “family,” within the meaning of that word as used in a homestead law.
Interesting that in Massachusetts there can only be one person designated the homesteader. Now, if he or she dies and the property is jointly held the survivor can then file to become the homesteader.
Actually, several of the others also encompass a spouses, with or without children. Even unrelated folks in the household, like servants.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#216 Oct 26, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
. Yes, you can adopt but a third person is involved. It doesn't change the fact that you and your partner can't start a family.
Is that the legal or accepted definition of adoption? That anyone of any gender or orientation who adopts a child isn't actually "starting" a family?

Please provide your proof of this strange claim.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#217 Oct 26, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
As long as there are children. With no children there is a husband and wife, not a family. A family is a couple with one or more children. It can even be a single person with one or more children. If you have no children and you are married, you are a husband and wife. Something you will never be able to do with your partner is start a family. Yes, you can adopt but a third person is involved. It doesn't change the fact that you and your partner can't start a family.
So all children who are adopted by any parent are basically squatters, never to be a real member of a family, but basically no different than a roommate or tenant. Harsh, Cletus, very very harsh.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#218 Oct 27, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that the legal or accepted definition of adoption? That anyone of any gender or orientation who adopts a child isn't actually "starting" a family?
Please provide your proof of this strange claim.
What has that got to do with the fact that you and your partner can't produce a child? You are straying again.

Now to your question:
"That anyone of any gender or orientation who adopts a child isn't actually "starting" a family?"

That's correct. They are acquiring a family. Someone else created them.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#219 Oct 27, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
What has that got to do with the fact that you and your partner can't produce a child? You are straying again.
Now to your question:
"That anyone of any gender or orientation who adopts a child isn't actually "starting" a family?"
That's correct. They are acquiring a family. Someone else created them.
"Acquiring a family"?.....

MILLIONS of adoptive parents would disagree with you.

Not surprising that your bigotry extends beyond gays & lesbians to include adoptive families.

Not surprising at all.

Once a bigot always a bigot.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#220 Oct 27, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
"Acquiring a family"?.....
MILLIONS of adoptive parents would disagree with you.
Then MILLIONS of adoptive parents would be wrong.
BTW, I totally disagree with you. Most people who adopt
are well aware that they didn't produce their children.
I bet they even no why.

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#221 Oct 27, 2013
Wondering wrote:
Then MILLIONS of adoptive parents would be wrong.
BTW, I totally disagree with you. Most people who adopt
are well aware that they didn't produce their children.
I bet they even no why.
And the government treats these pseudo kids and parents differently.... oh, but they don't. The governments treats these kids and their new parents as if the kids were naturally born to the parents... including same-sex parents.

During the adoption, doesn't the judge ask the new parent(s) something like '...treat the child as if they were born to you'?

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#223 Oct 27, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
What has that got to do with the fact that you and your partner can't produce a child? You are straying again.
Now to your question:
"That anyone of any gender or orientation who adopts a child isn't actually "starting" a family?"
That's correct. They are acquiring a family. Someone else created them.
Really? The blessed Savior Jesus was fathered by someone other than Joseph. I am assuming HE adopted Jesus. I guess Jesus was NOT part of that family, according to you.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#224 Oct 27, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Then MILLIONS of adoptive parents would be wrong.
BTW, I totally disagree with you. Most people who adopt
are well aware that they didn't produce their children.
I bet they even no why.
I bet some of them KNOW why also.

what is your problem? Why are you so MEAN? I know many families, straight and gay, who have adopted children. As soon as the kid is in the house, he or she is cherished and adored as if he or she was born to those parents. I knew adoptive parents who had both natural born and adopted kids and they treated them all the same, no difference at all in their love.

Why do you scoff at it? You're really mean.

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