"Some Of Us"; Christianity Today
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Chris Deile

Idaho Falls, ID

#22 Sep 13, 2013
lol! Just found a really good one--this is awesome!

Gigliola Cinquetti - II Primo Bacio Che DarĂ³- 1964

video by Musik Ricordi

--cracks me up...
Chris Deile

Idaho Falls, ID

#23 Sep 14, 2013
Post #5 removed-believe it referred to the last pat of "Some of Us"--the quote by William James about the spirit of corporate dominion; had tied that in to Alcoholics Anonymous World Services Inc.

Meaning much of the abuse is due to corporate dominion; AA being court ordered; i.e., "Hi. My name is Uncle Sam and I'm an alcoholic", etc.
Chris Deile

Idaho Falls, ID

#24 Oct 3, 2013
This goes with thread "Hi. My name is Uncle Sam..."
Chris Deile

Lincoln, NE

#25 Oct 21, 2013
And not only had AA's co-founders not let go absolutely, but Jesus hadn't let go absolutely (when baptized by John) or he wouldn't have struggled in the Garden of Gethsemane (Matt 26:36-46 KJV); it wasn't until Jesus said "It Is Finished" (John 19:30 KJV) that he finally let go absolutely.
Chris Deile

Lincoln, NE

#26 Oct 21, 2013
Just added that point to 'Some of Us'....it's now included at the end of paragraph that begins "Regarding Ebby, Bill and Dr. Bob...":

"Finally, Jesus Christ did not let go absolutely when baptized by John or he wouldn't have struggled in the Garden of Gethsemane (Matt 26:36-46); Jesus did not let go absolutely until he said "It is finished" (John 19:30 KJV)."
Chris Deile

Lincoln, NE

#27 Oct 21, 2013
Part of a letter I'm writing to CT:

CT has written positively of Alcoholics Anonymous before, and although AA is helpful in many ways, consider that it's 'How It Works' uses absolutism in a guilt inducing manner. For example, "Some of us have tried to hold onto our old ideas but the result was nil until we let go absolutely"; "half measures availed us nothing", etc. AA's co-founders did not let go absolutely (Bill W. shared of
Chris Deile

Lincoln, NE

#28 Oct 21, 2013
Out of time on public computer so that will have to do for now.
Chris Deile

Lincoln, NE

#29 Oct 21, 2013
CT has written positively of Alcoholics Anonymous before, and granted, AA is helpful in many ways. However, AA's teachings ('How It Works') uses absolutism in a guilt inducing manner. For example, "Some of us have tried to hold onto our old ideas but the result was nil until we let go absolutely"; "half measures availed us nothing", etc.

'How It Works' later explains, "No one among us has been able to maintain anything like perfect adherence to these principles...the principles we have set down are guides to progress not spiritual perfection". However, that does not rescind the absolutism previously stated imperative.

AA's co-founders did not let go absolutely: Ebby T. drank again. Bill W. shared of suffering waves of self-pity and resentment ("old ideas") throughout his first two years of sobriety. Bill W.'s "dry drunk" periods later led to his using LSD, believing it to improve the alcoholics relationship with God (see AA's 'Pass It On'). Dr. Bob fought cravings for alcohol his first year and a half of sobriety, cravings that had continued after he had worked the steps (they were six steps back then).

Moreover, Jesus Christ did not let go absolutely when baptized by John, otherwise he would not have struggled in the Garden of Gethsemane (Matt. 26:36-46); Jesus did not let go absolutely until he said "It is finished" (John 19:30 KJV).

False guilt is the consequence of AA's teachings that can lead an alcoholic back to drinking, or to seek oblivion through myriad forms in order to assuage a troubled conscience.
Chris Deile

Lincoln, NE

#30 Oct 21, 2013
That's the letter just submitted to Christianity Today. Have submitted similar letters before of 'Some of Us', and although they published a letter of mine in 2001, they have not published these condensed "Some of Us" submissions.
Chris Deile

Topeka, KS

#31 Nov 30, 2013
CT never published any of those submissions. Only my letter in 2001 did they publish.

Just found this one--it's quite good:

ESC 1966 Berta Ambroz Brez besed

video by JoaoVelada

--it goes great with ESC Margo Eskens Die Zeiger Der Uhr, and ESC Michele Torr Ce Soir Je T'Attendais, and ESC 1961 Ljiljana Petrovic Neke Davne Zvezde.....have viewed Michele Torr's video by far the most, but the Ljiljana Petrovic is a close runner up....Margo Eskens is excellent too.
Chris Deile

Topeka, KS

#32 Nov 30, 2013
Just translated online the Ljiljana Petrovic song "Neke Davne Zvezde"--apparently it's Slovenian meaning "Some Ancient Stars"; Ljiljana's gives a wonderful smile at the end of the song.

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