Man shot by police in Anaheim

Jul 21, 2012 Full story: The Orange County Register 584

ANAHEIM A man is in critical condition after he was shot by an Anaheim police officer Saturday afternoon in the northeastern part of the city, Sgt.

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Since: Jul 10

Las Vegas, NV

#22 Jul 23, 2012
Pueblo Chico13 wrote:
<quoted text> F*k you you f*kin cheap f*k go outside And talk your shit instead hiding f*k the pigs f*k the gang unit he wasnt Armed the pigs had no right to shoot the least would be A tazer gun but they still put A bullet thru his head thats bullshit !!! there not suppose to Aim for the head there the f*kin criminals out there SOUTHS1D3 UP f*k the pigs
I am never amazed at how truly pathetic you and your little gangs are, you own nothing and all you can do is go to jail, good people never have any police contact
Brown is beautiful

Corona, CA

#24 Jul 23, 2012
jeff6 wrote:
STOMPER! I wonder how the young man received that name. It is funny how in these neighborhoods the only thing that matters is protest and crying over dead gang members. No education, no job prospects, no desire to better the next generation, just a bunch of screaming idiots throwing rocks and bottles, I guess I am really tired of kids not caring about anything and always blaming the police for their problems
So the cops are not wrong.why don't you go on Kelly Thomas dads web site and tell him that the cops where rite in beating his son to death.The police 1st said he was resisting and fight back.I quess we should be like you and believe the police because it's not like there known for lieing .You paint us people to be heart less animals .I've never read a bad comment a gang members saying Kelly Thomas deserved to be kill or any other white man the cops kill had it coming. We don't you do . Never read any gangster saying that Ron Thomas protesting the Police is stupid. Could it be that we understand him and what has been done to his son . Or what do think think the family and friends of Kelly Thomas would done if they saw or where there when his death happen.
wata dork

Garden Grove, CA

#25 Jul 23, 2012
eMe wrote:
TO ALL THE LOYAL SOUTH SIDERS IN ANAHEIM (THE BIG HOMIE) SAID TO GIVE APD HARD CANDY.
more like THE BIG HOMO
Complicate Equation

Los Angeles, CA

#26 Jul 23, 2012
Barrio's always fail to evolve. Nothing new hear, a repeat of ELA cycle spanning form the 1950's. Not much sympathies for hommies running from cops (throwing stuff of roofs) and in the incident of the second shooting, the hommie reportedly took a shot at the cop. Time will tell us what happen and community scrutiny is essential

That being said, there is a modicum of Class Struggle in this and other like incidents. The "One Percenters", our coddled aristocracy who devalue labor at every turn are part of the equation in a negative sense. Some are holders in these sprawling urban dense old apartment complexes, charging excessive OC rents.

I like the efficiency and fast response of OC cops, but a pevasive negative attude among them exists, which works against them in the big picture. It's a complicated equation.

I have lost optimism of any significant positive changes on behalf of the Barrio itself..an anti social culture still does exist, after many decades of social self help programs of every imaginable description.
Complicated Equation

Los Angeles, CA

#27 Jul 23, 2012
jay wrote:
<quoted text>
You forgot the part where the crowd was throwing rocks and beer bottles at the cops. The crowd was out of control and very misunderstanding of their own actions. Plus, the parents of the kids must be illogical to have their kids out in front of a crime scene where shots have been fired and while the crowd is a wild up to cause a riot.
Interesting post and good point as to most of the crowd having no clue, misunderstanding their own emotions Even if the adults (parents) were outraged, it was pathetic they allowed thier kids right out front in the middle of the action. This will all go down in the annals of the Bario Folklore and embolden weak minds.
Brown is beautiful

Corona, CA

#28 Jul 23, 2012
The police say a fire was started and rocks and bottles were thrown at them.Did they start the fire and throw things before or after the no good cops started firing rubber bullets and tear gas at people.I'm sure there where many of Mannys (rip)fellow gang members around , but non of the people being shot or tear gase look like members of a gang . The one guy I did see stand up to the cops look like he was only doing it to protect someone that was standing behind him. The news was there live when this happen but yet they don't show any one throwing bottles or rocks or even a fire being started .The images of the trash can fire and things being thrown where film the next day after they were attacked by the police. The media and most the public like to show us ass bad people so why didnt the news show them throwing stuff or lighting fires just before the police attack the crowd it because they didn't it was after the attack . It was day time when Manny was murdered and the crowd attack , yet the news show a fire and people throwing things at night after the attack not before .But the news reports it if it happen before because they know the sleeping sheep believe what ever there told and don't question anything.
Emeritus Expert

Los Angeles, CA

#29 Jul 23, 2012
Tony wrote:
So what needs to happen now is that the police chief, John, needs to go talk with the community, and he needs to let them know that the police department is there to serve the community, and there needs to be a full investigation of the shooting. The people need to feel like the police are there to serve and protect them, and that the police are on their team, and that the police are part of the community. Also, when I was in Kiwanis we went into the worst neighborhood in Anaheim and we went door to door and we brought the people together, along with the owners of the apartment buildings, to clean up the neighborhood, and to improve things there, and it worked, we brought the people together and we cleaned the area up, and the crime went down, and we totally helped to improve that area, and the same thing needs to happen at La Palma and Anna.
The community needs to be united for the betterment of all, instead of being divided.
Salute,
Tony V.
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Here is a news article....
http://www.ocregister.com/news/police-364905-...
Good intentions Tony, but do not be so naive.

Cops in general no longer care about the community they work in, but are more in it for themselves. More of an alligience to their profession and sometimes the Dept they work for. Being a cop these days is a way of life, the allure of the badge, a lifestyle few would understand. Also a good salary and benefits. Most will jump ship to a better paying or more prestigous Dept.

Police being a part of the community in some goodwill spirit is a myth in LA & OC. All of these well intentioned groups, thinking they can knock an doors in the hood and reason with those involved in the gang lifestyle (or their sympathizers) is a myth. In LA, they have been having community brokered peace treaties (and clean up programs) between gangs for over fifty years. They usually last less than a week.

These landlords in the hood could care less about their tenants. They are only interested in the bottom line and motivated by greed. Clean up by the Kiwanas is noble in nature, but a waste of time.

An adversdarial environment has evolved, with all sides loathing the other. First understand the antisocial way of life in the Barrio and then just observe how uptight the cops are in the last decade. They lack balance in dealing with the public in general. In Anahiem for example, they have alienated the law abiding segment in their hyper traffic enforcement and hard nose attitude all of the time. Trafffic safety is important and ticketing motorists is part of it. Hyper enforcement is a negative.
SWAT

Los Angeles, CA

#30 Jul 23, 2012
Cops I've worked with care for their community. If you were ever a cop E.E. I'm guessing you made rank, and stayed there, cause you know nothing about the common street officer in high crime areas, at least not these days. It's not just a bunch of old school white guys out there. Been there and done it and always felt bad for the good people in the areas gangs controlled. Where you're right about landlords and the nature of the beast, dealing with the average public isn't a problem and you can blame the media (even how this event was shown on the news) and the thug/gang mentality for the problems that take place in some areas of nice cities. Anaheim is a classic example of that.
Tony

Lynwood, CA

#31 Jul 23, 2012
In my neighborhood in North-East Anaheim we have parties with live bands, and we make mahi mahi tacos for everyone, and the owner of the apartment complex buys pizza for everyone. This is a great neighborhood.

And most of the gang bangers here have grown up, and they are now married with children, and they just want to keep the outside gangs out, and they want to keep our neighborhood safe for their wives and for their children. It is just all about keeping the bad people out, and keeping it nice for the children.

Here is a video that I shot of my friend's band playing in the courtyard at a party here at my apartment complex...

http://youtu.be/x4K7dnixw5I

This place is cool.

Anaheim is great. There are a lot of really great people in Anaheim. And Anaheim is a wealthy area, the economy is good here.

And Kiwanis is a great organization, and I think that Kiwanis is going to get involved in the La Palma / Anna area. Kiwanis can help. Kiwanis can list many successes.

And I still believe that John is a good Police Chief, Anaheim has a good Police Chief.

Anaheim is a great city. Things will improve. We will not allow Anaheim to get bad like parts of Los Angeles are.

Salute,

Tony V.
Distinquished Expert

Los Angeles, CA

#32 Jul 23, 2012
SWAT wrote:
Cops I've worked with care for their community. If you were ever a cop E.E. I'm guessing you made rank, and stayed there, cause you know nothing about the common street officer in high crime areas, at least not these days. It's not just a bunch of old school white guys out there. Been there and done it and always felt bad for the good people in the areas gangs controlled. Where you're right about landlords and the nature of the beast, dealing with the average public isn't a problem and you can blame the media (even how this event was shown on the news) and the thug/gang mentality for the problems that take place in some areas of nice cities. Anaheim is a classic example of that.
Enjoyed your post.

Hot areas? Do u believe that deps at ELA station feel a partnership with unincorporated ELA, or city cops feeling communal partnership of community in the large swath of South Central .. same with cops in smaller depts in south east LA county .. it's a war mentality .. granted, cops on a humanistic level feel empathy and will protect kids, old ladies and defenselss victims

In the large depts, I have seen locals boys from the hood who get on the job and love to get back to the old neighborhood..many of them truly do care and become goodwill ambassador..some even get jammed up trying to mediate and and offer a helping hand

Most cops are in it for the love of the game and for themselves..think about in the context of my above paragraphs and examples

Anahiem is a large dynamic city which is definately in a quandry due to the changing demographics and rows of large box aparments.
These people are not going anywhere and I am not optimistic for any positive change. APD is off balance at this point. Doubt if there is much sense of community at this point. The political power structure at the City may even turn on individual cops at the scene. Hey, it happen in LA just few years ago at the riot in McArthur Park. Similar tactics in use of non lethal fire power. Some dismissals, demotions, days off. The Mayor of Anaheim, was already talking about "owning" whatever the results of the inquiry reveal.

If you are in SWAT, don't stay there for too long, as it can result in overblown ego syndrome and stunt advancement. Best of Luck
Distinquished Expert

Los Angeles, CA

#33 Jul 23, 2012
Just viewed the video in front of the apts, officers firing non lethal projectiles into the crowd and a police dog attacking.
I was surprised at the number of women and childen in the crowd, most sitting on the lawn and what appears to be indiscriminate firing. Then the dog who tore into the women holding her baby.
This does not look good for the APD, even to those who tend to give the benefit of the doubt to our police.

Yes, the officers were going after some young punks in gang attire, several cuffed up. Of course a video does not tell the whole story, but the crowd was mostly women and children who appeared to be more like bystanders.

These women do not even look hard core. This video is rather shocking even to me and will be a disturbing pivotal piece.

Lawyers lining up.

View it and get back to me if you like.

Since: Jul 10

Las Vegas, NV

#34 Jul 23, 2012
Brown is beautiful wrote:
<quoted text> So the cops are not wrong.why don't you go on Kelly Thomas dads web site and tell him that the cops where rite in beating his son to death.The police 1st said he was resisting and fight back.I quess we should be like you and believe the police because it's not like there known for lieing .You paint us people to be heart less animals .I've never read a bad comment a gang members saying Kelly Thomas deserved to be kill or any other white man the cops kill had it coming. We don't you do . Never read any gangster saying that Ron Thomas protesting the Police is stupid. Could it be that we understand him and what has been done to his son . Or what do think think the family and friends of Kelly Thomas would done if they saw or where there when his death happen.
But why are your arguments one sided? Since we are talking about death, google the name Trevor Nettleton in Las Vegas or Henry Prendes in Las Vegas, or how about Deputy Tony Diaz from Yolo County who was gunned down by a gang member named Marco Topete. What would have happended if all Deputy Diaz cop friends had gone out and stood in front of Topetes house with signs. I understand where you are coming from but lets look at it from both sides, lets look at the facts, there are more gang members killed by rival gangs than by cops, It is unfortunate that we spend so much time pointing out the bad, I guess what I am trying to say is that I will take my chances dealing with the police as opposed to some kid with SUR13 tatooed on his face.

Since: Jul 10

Las Vegas, NV

#35 Jul 23, 2012
Brown is beautiful wrote:
<quoted text> So the cops are not wrong.why don't you go on Kelly Thomas dads web site and tell him that the cops where rite in beating his son to death.The police 1st said he was resisting and fight back.I quess we should be like you and believe the police because it's not like there known for lieing .You paint us people to be heart less animals .I've never read a bad comment a gang members saying Kelly Thomas deserved to be kill or any other white man the cops kill had it coming. We don't you do . Never read any gangster saying that Ron Thomas protesting the Police is stupid. Could it be that we understand him and what has been done to his son . Or what do think think the family and friends of Kelly Thomas would done if they saw or where there when his death happen.
Oh and by the way I respect your opinion and I somewhat agree with you that all cops are beacons of light, we all know there are some lousy cops out there but I will take my chances that the ones I run into are decent people.
Mass Media Deception

Corona, CA

#36 Jul 23, 2012
When minority's ask ?s like why can I go to my apt or why can I get in my car to pick up my kids.Cops give you no real answer let alone even talk to you.then straight out start shooting the resident of this large apt complex who didnt look like gangsters to me. But it ok to because the were throwing bottles and rocks witch the news media was covering live yet no footage of the socalled gangsters throwing anything before the cop start shooting . Why would the news leave that out , when they just so love to make minorities look bad on tv .I dont see police shoot parents at school shooting who almost knock down school fences and climb over them clearly disobeying police orders . Or even shoot the kids who do the school shooting. They ether kill themselves or come out handcuff .Not stomper Thoe who most likey was throwing drugs he had to be killed .
Brown is beautiful

Corona, CA

#37 Jul 23, 2012
jeff6 wrote:
<quoted text>But why are your arguments one sided? Since we are talking about death, google the name Trevor Nettleton in Las Vegas or Henry Prendes in Las Vegas, or how about Deputy Tony Diaz from Yolo County who was gunned down by a gang member named Marco Topete. What would have happended if all Deputy Diaz cop friends had gone out and stood in front of Topetes house with signs. I understand where you are coming from but lets look at it from both sides, lets look at the facts, there are more gang members killed by rival gangs than by cops, It is unfortunate that we spend so much time pointing out the bad, I guess what I am trying to say is that I will take my chances dealing with the police
as opposed to some kid with SUR13 tatooed on his face.
I will google them thank you. I'm not one sided , it seems that way but Im not. One of the murders cases I speak out about alot is the socalled murder suicide of deputy district attorney Dave McGowan and his family and Kiki Camarena the DEA agent killed by druglords.I've only spoke out about the crowd being attack witch was and is wrong not about the police shooting the young man , human , someone son , dad,boyfriend or husband.
Oh ya I also belong to a hated rivial gang of this mans . Got 13 tattooed on me but I will not shot or fight with another gang member or a black person why the elite sit back and laught at us all.I'm awake and can see clear threw the lies

Since: Jul 10

Las Vegas, NV

#38 Jul 24, 2012
Brown is beautiful wrote:
<quoted text>I will google them thank you. I'm not one sided , it seems that way but Im not. One of the murders cases I speak out about alot is the socalled murder suicide of deputy district attorney Dave McGowan and his family and Kiki Camarena the DEA agent killed by druglords.I've only spoke out about the crowd being attack witch was and is wrong not about the police shooting the young man , human , someone son , dad,boyfriend or husband.
Oh ya I also belong to a hated rivial gang of this mans . Got 13 tattooed on me but I will not shot or fight with another gang member or a black person why the elite sit back and laught at us all.I'm awake and can see clear threw the lies
II dont know why the officers shot the kid or what the circumstances were but if you live hard and you generally die that way. Im reminded of a 17 year old kid hear in Las Vegas named Suave Lopez, he murdered a guy for his car , he came back to the body and showed some friends how tough he was by setting the body on fire. Once he was caught he was placed in a car by a detective, he slipped his cuffs to the front and ran, the officer shot him in the back and Lopez died. I remember his father coming here from Texas and being on TV everday calling the whole department murderers. He ststed my kid was a good kid, I always wondered if his kid was so good why did he move to Texas and leave a 17 year old in Las Vegas all alone. A lot of people were outraged by the officers actions, the shooting was justified and If you read the case law,(Tennesse vs Martin) it states an officer can use deadly force if the suspect proposes a threat to society. I cant say I understand the culture of gangs because I dont condone what most of them stand for, but I respect everyones right to be safe and live a clean life, its nice to discuss something rationally on this computer with someone for a change:)
Godamn Pigs

Tulsa, OK

#39 Jul 24, 2012
Cops are just stupid pigs. Can't trust a single 1 of them. All across this nation, pigs are involved in corruption, brutality, and ineptitude. DON'T HESITATE TO SUE THESE DIRTY BASTARDS!
DX Expert

Los Angeles, CA

#40 Jul 24, 2012
jeff6 wrote:
<quoted text>II dont know why the officers shot the kid or what the circumstances were but if you live hard and you generally die that way. Im reminded of a 17 year old kid hear in Las Vegas named Suave Lopez, he murdered a guy for his car , he came back to the body and showed some friends how tough he was by setting the body on fire. Once he was caught he was placed in a car by a detective, he slipped his cuffs to the front and ran, the officer shot him in the back and Lopez died. I remember his father coming here from Texas and being on TV everday calling the whole department murderers. He ststed my kid was a good kid, I always wondered if his kid was so good why did he move to Texas and leave a 17 year old in Las Vegas all alone. A lot of people were outraged by the officers actions, the shooting was justified and If you read the case law,(Tennesse vs Martin) it states an officer can use deadly force if the suspect proposes a threat to society. I cant say I understand the culture of gangs because I dont condone what most of them stand for, but I respect everyones right to be safe and live a clean life, its nice to discuss something rationally on this computer with someone for a change:)
Found your post refreshing and factual. That's right, "live hard, die that way" .. "live by the sword, die by the sword" .. Ancient wisdom, throughout literature and everyday life's experience.

Also, Newton addressed it (consequences) in his Second Law of Physics.

I know a lot about Barrio gang culture growing up in the epicenter of it all, good old ELA .. also a lot about Police Culture .. in addition to being a social observer and thinker.

Few are aware of case law and even various State penal code provisions allowing police officers to shoot a fleeing felon even if unarmed, under very narrow circumstances. That being said, interpretations and norms within the system have evovled and it rarely happens.

Interesting, your observation of the father who claimed his killer son was a near saint. Few things change in the hard core Barrio, and this is the typical reaction of parents even when they know damn well that their kid is a hard core thug. I remember a case about twenty years ago in the Ramona Garden's projects, where an active 17 year old gang member was running from the cops and pointed a Tech-9 firearm at them and he was fatally shot. Relatives (even Mom) saw him running with the gun, but claimed the cops had no reason to shoot him.

DX Expert

Los Angeles, CA

#41 Jul 24, 2012
Viewed the video again. Noted APD's patrol cars, with the bold lettering of "Gang Prevention" .. give APD a lot of credit for take an aggressive stand in going after gangs in their city..police work is not an exact science, things happen like the dog bolting from the car .. bravo APD for being highly active.

Special anti gang units are essential..most gang members are no longer afraid of the police, as evidenced in this weeks second shooting by APD of an armed gang members who took shots at them.

In Los Angeles (City) thugs are still to a degree afaid to boldly confront LAPD. So much folklore and verbal history in the hood. Rampart Crash left an impression on them. Also, old SED in ELA County.
Brown is beautiful

Corona, CA

#42 Jul 24, 2012
We do live by the sword and die by the sword , and so do the the police .They don't walk away when Theres trouble like your taught to , they go threw themselves in the middle of it.So what's the difference . People look at police and are willing to see that behind the gun they wear and hard attitude they have there still a human being.
A gangster you don't . You try to rashanolize and come up with reason not to be able to see that there also human beings to make it ok in your mind .like we do with Islam by calling terrorist .you say you know gang culture but you don't mention how most offend police know gangsters don't known the law or our rights, and then use it against us to .You say you grow up in Ramona Graden projects 20 yrs ago but you leave out around the time in L.A the CIA was flooding the streets with crack cocaine and guns.Or that the man who organized the Latino street gangs in LA to sell hard drugs in there community's was not even a Latino at all , not even half Latino . What about that declassified FBI memos from Hoover talking about allowing organized crime to start selling heroin in black and Brown community's to break the high selfsteam and racial pride they have or should I say had.
It's funny how people often call gangster stupid uneducated lazy and good for nothing, but we're able to build a giant drug trade have military grade weapons you can get at the store.Do you think we have the money to buy all those drugs we sell and guns , look at our community's no we don't .someone gives us the guns and front us the drugs and most often it's not our own people who are giving it to us.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.we as you can see were stupid and thought the wAter was safe to drink and drank

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