Landis Lawyer Offers Dehydration Defense

Full story: The Associated Press

Dehydration is the latest possible reason offered for Tour de France winner Floyd Landis' elevated testosterone levels.

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Seattle cycling fan

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Aug 4, 2006
 
Is there any scrutiny on the procedures and people who handle the urine samples of the cyclists? Are all those associated completely unbiased to Floyd Landis winning the Tour de France. Can sabotage be ruled out?
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Aug 4, 2006
 
Yes, yes and yes
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Aug 4, 2006
 
If you have questions concerning the WADA lab please consult the Vrijam report. The report may be found at www.velonews.com/media/report1999.pdf Do not fear however, USADA will investigate this matter, so do not fear a whitewash.
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Aug 4, 2006
 
Seattle cycling fan wrote:
Is there any scrutiny on the procedures and people who handle the urine samples of the cyclists? Are all those associated completely unbiased to Floyd Landis winning the Tour de France. Can sabotage be ruled out?
Although excellent questions, how could we ordinary fans know one way or the other? Also, I think we should question results from the French National LNDD lab......( ask Lance )

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Aug 4, 2006
 
Seattle cycling fan wrote:
Is there any scrutiny on the procedures and people who handle the urine samples of the cyclists? Are all those associated completely unbiased to Floyd Landis winning the Tour de France. Can sabotage be ruled out?
Chris wrote:
Yes, yes and yes
I would not want to accuse you of being a 'yes' man/woman, but really, do you really have that narrow a perception of reality???
In some places, restaurants receive health inspection ratings like 'A','B','C', etc. Does that mean that they are so festidious and clean that no patron ever gets food poisoning or find a hair in their soup at an 'A' restaurant? We all know the real world answer is that those things still happen. We also know that if you appear disrespectful to or anger your server or the chef that the likelyhood of foreign substances winding up in your dish just went up exponentially. Do you really think that every person working at those labs is thrilled to have FL, LA, or anyone else win 'their' race? Do you think that a person with ethics low enough to leak confidential test results is above influencing those results? Please look at reality.
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Aug 4, 2006
 
Right, imagine a foriegn team being in the Super Bowl and tests run on thier players in an american lab. Do you really think there is no potential for tampering?
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Aug 4, 2006
 
Not saying it is not possible that FL is guilty, but let's not jump to conclusions which may not necessarily be the only one(s) supported by the facts... not to mention question all the facts thoroughly to make sure they are indeed facts, accurate facts, not supposition.

For example the following quote helps illustrate:

"The carbon isotope testing method, however, received strong backing from the director of the Drug Control Center at London's King's College.

Calling it 'the most definitive measure we have at this time,' David Cowan added that 'if there is a synthetic found (in the sample) than any defense is difficult to prove.'"

Is it not obvious that IF the sample was tainted, it would most likely be tainted with synthetic Testosterone, therefore the presence of synthetic Testosterone actually supports the possibility that the sample(s) were tainted.(In order to obtain 'natural' testosterone, wouldn't it have to be obtained/extracted from it's primary source, a male human testes? I think that any scum trying to taint the sample(s) would obtain and use synthetic T, rather than sticking a needle in such a sensitive/painful location, don't you?)
T - San Diego

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Aug 4, 2006
 
Elevated T? No - Elevated E!! Even the news wires have it wrong....
C - LA

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Aug 4, 2006
 
Amazing...Americans cannot believe their wonder boy is a cheater.
Since I live in the US I had to sit through hours of coverage from OLN with all the gawking over Levi & Landis. In the last stages it was all about Landis. I actually saw tears from the guys covering the event fm OLN on stage 17. It must be those pesky French trying to embarrass poor Floyd (especially since it would favour a French cyclist?!!). in fact the victims are the 2, 3, 4 place guys who never received recognition for their "clean" efforts. 11:1 ratio who can explain that!!. Why did he do it? Hubris...he thought he'd get away with it anyway if not he wasn't gonna win anyway so why not cheat? You guys need to face reality and realize your hero is a cheater.
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Aug 4, 2006
 
"Amazing...Americans cannot believe their wonder boy is a cheater.
Since I live in the US I had to sit through hours of coverage from OLN with all the gawking over Levi & Landis."

You should have seen OLN's coverage of Lance!!!
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Aug 4, 2006
 
C - LA wrote:
Amazing...Americans cannot believe their wonder boy is a cheater.
Since I live in the US I had to sit through hours of coverage from OLN with all the gawking over Levi & Landis. In the last stages it was all about Landis. I actually saw tears from the guys covering the event fm OLN on stage 17. It must be those pesky French trying to embarrass poor Floyd (especially since it would favour a French cyclist?!!). in fact the victims are the 2, 3, 4 place guys who never received recognition for their "clean" efforts. 11:1 ratio who can explain that!!. Why did he do it? Hubris...he thought he'd get away with it anyway if not he wasn't gonna win anyway so why not cheat? You guys need to face reality and realize your hero is a cheater.
God forbid you are ever arrested wrongly for a crime in this country because of "evidence" they have against you. It happens every day. Innocent until proven guilty obviously means nothing to you. Lord help anyone who ends up with you on thier jury!
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Aug 4, 2006
 
Lorrettie wrote:
<quoted text> God forbid you are ever arrested wrongly for a crime in this country because of "evidence" they have against you. It happens every day. Innocent until proven guilty obviously means nothing to you. Lord help anyone who ends up with you on thier jury!
....aye-yi-yi...LISTEN UP PEOPLE!! "Innocent until proven guilty" is a rule that ONLY appplies in CRIMINAL COURT PROCEEDINGS in SOME, but certainly not all countries! Landis is NOT on trial in a U.S. criminal court...this is a CIVIL matter involving a sports organization seeking to enforce the violation of its rules by a participant in the organization's event. Landis was a VOLUNTARY participant in the Tour de France event; HE KNEW GOING INTO THAT EVENT the rule was that ALL PARTICIPANTS were subject to urine drug testing and that ANY PARTICIPANT whose urine T/E ratios exceeded a 4 to 1 threshhold ratio FACED DISQUALIFICATION; Landis accepted this disqualification rule when he signed on for the event--end of story. The Tour de France people aren't going to place him before a firing squad for failing the drug test, BUT THEY DO HAVE THE INDISPUTABLE RIGHT TO ENFORCE THEIR DISQUALIFICATION RULES AGAINST VOLUNTARY PARTICIPANTS LIKE LANDIS. GUILT OR INNOCENCE has nothing to do with the Tour enforcing its own disqualification rule--in that sense, it's a NO-FAULT rule. The disqualification rule is a FLAT BAN on the presence of certain performance-enhancing substances at excessive levels. Criminal law and "the presumption of innocence" have nothing to do with enforcing a rule against persons whose performances are benefitted from EXCESSIVELY HIGH levels of testosterone.
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Aug 4, 2006
 
Hey C-La,
If Landis' testosterone was so incredibly high on stage 17, it still would have been elevated for days after as well. Why did he not test positive before or after that stage?
He didn't because the test was botched. Just like that same lab botched Armstrong's tests.
And I don't even like Armstrong.
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Aug 4, 2006
 
Will wrote:
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The Tour de France people aren't going to place him before a firing squad for failing the drug test, BUT

blah bla blah..........
Probably true...in France, don't they prefer the guillotine???

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Aug 4, 2006
 
Wayne wrote:
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Probably true...in France, don't they prefer the guillotine???
---Salem Oregon---
...if it were up to me, I'd put Landis in a pillory...more public humiliation seems just.
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Aug 4, 2006
 
South Texas Racer wrote:
Hey C-La,
If Landis' testosterone was so incredibly high on stage 17, it still would have been elevated for days after as well. Why did he not test positive before or after that stage?....
What's your citation for proof of your assertion that Landis' testosterone level WASN'T elevated for days after stage 17? Has Landis or the lab released ANY test results post stage 17?
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Aug 4, 2006
 
Has Landis or the lab released ANY test results?? I haven't seen any actual lab results anywhere. Just leaks and speculation by a zillion authorities. Guess we will know tomorrow and when they post the REAL results. Until then........
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Aug 4, 2006
 
come on.. you know he did it... no way could he have recoved that well, and blew even his team off to singluarly wipe out the competition after being completely down.
Get your heads out of the sand... he was in it for tne money - not the sport.... and he will still make a lot of money on this.... The americans are so into money they will sacrifice everything to accumulate more and more of it....
He knew he had lost and had nothing else to lose. It is stupid not to realize this. WAKE UP...
Do you really think at this level they give a damn about the sport any more?
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#19
Aug 4, 2006
 
In a sport riddled with the excesses of drug taking, why muddy the waters with biased assertations of sabotage. Why are we so shocked that (yet again) there is evidence of drug taking? Floyd is guilty, and the constant stream of conspiracy theories and pleadings of innocence just don't wash. I enjoy stage cycling, but am aware and disappointed by its many flaws.
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Aug 4, 2006
 
lady wrote:
Has Landis or the lab released ANY test results?? I haven't seen any actual lab results anywhere. Just leaks and speculation by a zillion authorities. Guess we will know tomorrow and when they post the REAL results. Until then........
The leak from the anonymous lab source has been CONFIRMED by Landis & his team, so don't expect that rumored 11 to 1 T/E ratio result is going to be substantially different tomorrow; I even expect the leak regarding the carbon isotope test finding the presence of some synthetic testosterone in the A sample will also be confirmed tomorrow. And judging by the feeble excuses coming from Landis' legal team, don't be surprised when the B sample results confirm the A sample findings, after all, Landis' team have said they EXPECT the B sample results to be the same.

I think if Landis had some post stage 17 test results that would bolster his case, he probably would have released this info himself, because he gains nothing from holding that information back, IF IT EXISTED.

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