Global Warming and the Science of Ext...

Global Warming and the Science of Extreme Weather

There are 18 comments on the Scientific American story from Jul 3, 2011, titled Global Warming and the Science of Extreme Weather. In it, Scientific American reports that:

Editor's note: This article is the second of a three-part series by John Carey. Part 1, posted on June 28, is " Storm Warning: Extreme Weather Is a Product of Climate Change ". Extreme floods, prolonged droughts, searing heat waves, massive rainstorms and the like don't just seem like they've become the new normal in the last few years - they have ...

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bronck burger

Fair Lawn, NJ

#1 Jul 3, 2011
I READ the same article in MAD MAG. NOTHING BUT A SHAMITE.
This just in

Loyalton, CA

#2 Jul 4, 2011
Two Words: Natural Cycle

The AGM "consensus" isn't science at all. Take a look at what was predicted several years back vs what has been observed and you will see that the evil CO2 has little to do with any temperature variation. CO2 can only absorb black body radiation in several narrow bands, and when absorbed it is no longer available for more heating.
Therefore lots more CO2 does not equal a temperature increase, and by the way it NEVER has.
CO2 and temperature have an inverse correlation.. CO2 rises consistently AFTER temperature increases, so it cannot be a cause.
We have been fortunate on this planet to live during the warming period since the little ice age, except when the sunspot activity went nearly null, just like the phase we are entering now. Take a look at the face of the sun:
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/ ...
Worthy of note is that the sunspots are few or absent. So what?
As the sunspots drive the solar wind which pushes out cosmic rays, more cloud seeds are created (go look up a cloud chamber) that initiate those big reflective clouds that cool off the Earth, by reflecting the solar energy back into space.
By the way, the "scientists (priests)" who preach AGM do NOT even include clouds in their models.
If your local weatherman did the same, he would be fired.
This is the same phenomenon that caused the big cool down in the 1700's. Take a look and you will find people ice skating on the Thames in the UK. Snow was common in New York in July.
Instead of spending Trillions of dollars to "fix" a benign non-problem, perhaps it would make sense to figure out what humanity is going to do when we start freezing our butts off...
Maybe those funds for the AGM scam could be saved and invested, with the result of inaction being a natural cooling trend, and then that money could be used for a useful purpose instead of lining the pockets of politicians and those on the AGM take.

Since: Apr 10

Milwaukee, WI USA

#3 Jul 4, 2011
This just in wrote:
Two Words: Natural Cycle
The AGM "consensus" isn't science at all. Take a look at what was predicted several years back vs what has been observed and you will see that the evil CO2 has little to do with any temperature variation.
Agreed, the observed record which goes back 160 years doesn't agree with the predictions or projections as they say.
This just in wrote:
CO2 can only absorb black body radiation in several narrow bands, and when absorbed it is no longer available for more heating.
Therefore lots more CO2 does not equal a temperature increase, and by the way it NEVER has.
Well no, it should and probably has, it just isn't as much as predicted.
This just in wrote:
CO2 and temperature have an inverse correlation.. CO2 rises consistently AFTER temperature increases, so it cannot be a cause.
Yes, the ice core data. Can they really tell all that from ice cores? But yes you're right, there's an 800 year lag from temperature rise and CO2 rise. And what happened 800 years ago? Can you say Medieval Warm Period?
This just in wrote:
We have been fortunate on this planet to live during the warming period since the little ice age, except when the sunspot activity went nearly null, just like the phase we are entering now. Take a look at the face of the sun:
http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/ ...
Worthy of note is that the sunspots are few or absent. So what?
As the sunspots drive the solar wind which pushes out cosmic rays, more cloud seeds are created (go look up a cloud chamber) that initiate those big reflective clouds that cool off the Earth, by reflecting the solar energy back into space.
I'm not big on the "It's the sunspots" line
This just in wrote:
By the way, the "scientists (priests)" who preach AGM do NOT even include clouds in their models.
Oh I think they do, they just assign them positve feedback to run the temperature up.
This just in wrote:
This is the same phenomenon that caused the big cool down in the 1700's. Take a look and you will find people ice skating on the Thames in the UK. Snow was common in New York in July.
Instead of spending Trillions of dollars to "fix" a benign non-problem, perhaps it would make sense to figure out what humanity is going to do when we start freezing our butts off...
Oh oh, the "Global Cooing" scam
This just in wrote:
Maybe those funds for the AGM scam could be saved and invested, with the result of inaction being a natural cooling trend, and then that money could be used for a useful purpose instead of lining the pockets of politicians and those on the AGM take.
Yeah well, we both know that's what it's all about.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#4 Jul 4, 2011
Clouds, radiative forcing, and climate models – still tweaking
April 23, 2011

As most readers know, clouds are still poorly understood and under-represented in climate models. This new research may help.
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“The amount of the sun’s energy that reaches the earth’s surface is the main driver of the earth’s temperature. Clouds are one of the least understood aspects of climate change. They can block the sun, but light can also bounce off one cloud into another cloud’s shadow and increase the solar energy hitting earth,” said PNNL atmospheric scientist Evgueni Kassianov.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/04/23/clouds-...
Keywords; "clouds are still poorly understood."
Jan

Victoria, Canada

#5 Jul 4, 2011
There are no searing heat waves where I live. The last time we had a really hot summer was about 6 years ago.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#6 Jul 4, 2011
Jan wrote:
There are no searing heat waves where I live. The last time we had a really hot summer was about 6 years ago.
Did you enjoy it?
Jan

Victoria, Canada

#7 Jul 4, 2011
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Did you enjoy it?
I loved it. You do need a good fan or air conditioner, and access to a swimming pool, though. Otherwise, it gets uncomfortably hot.

Just being able to open the window wide in the early morning hours is a pleasure. This year it can only be opened about two inches. Otherwise, it's just too doggone cold.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#8 Jul 4, 2011
Jan wrote:
I loved it. You do need a good fan or air conditioner, and access to a swimming pool, though. Otherwise, it gets uncomfortably hot.
Just being able to open the window wide in the early morning hours is a pleasure. This year it can only be opened about two inches. Otherwise, it's just too doggone cold.
It's 30ºC here at the moment, our windows are left open all night and closed mid morning to keep out the heat, but we have no need for A/C, a ceiling fan does a good enough job and saves electricity.
I'm sitting here quite comfortably with a tower fan behind me, set on mid-speed.
Haven't visited a swimming pool for over 15 years.
Have a good one.
Jan

Victoria, Canada

#9 Jul 4, 2011
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>It's 30ºC here at the moment, our windows are left open all night and closed mid morning to keep out the heat, but we have no need for A/C, a ceiling fan does a good enough job and saves electricity.
I'm sitting here quite comfortably with a tower fan behind me, set on mid-speed.
Haven't visited a swimming pool for over 15 years.
Have a good one.
You're lucky you get a real summer. Today the temp in my city got up to about 22C but it's supposed to be back to about 18C by Thursday.

Most of the folks I know around here have trouble taking the "global warming" issue very seriously.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#10 Jul 5, 2011
Jan wrote:
You're lucky you get a real summer.
It's not luck, I moved south from cool, damp England to enjoy real summers and milder winters.
Jan wrote:
Today the temp in my city got up to about 22C but it's supposed to be back to about 18C by Thursday.
I'm sure there must be something good about where you live to keep you there.
Jan wrote:
Most of the folks I know around here have trouble taking the "global warming" issue very seriously.
I'm not surprised, no one here takes it seriously either, they're used to the climate.
Jan

Victoria, Canada

#11 Jul 5, 2011
There are lots of good things about where I live. The weather isn't one of them, though, and I'm posting on a meteorology forum.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#12 Jul 5, 2011
Jan wrote:
There are lots of good things about where I live.
I'm sure there are, the same can be said for many places on this planet.
Jan wrote:
The weather isn't one of them, though, and I'm posting on a meteorology forum.
Which meteorology forum?
Jan

Victoria, Canada

#13 Jul 5, 2011
Didn't you notice that the title of this forum area is "Meteorology?"

The forum that I am referring to is this one.
litesong

Arlington, WA

#14 Jul 5, 2011
this just in wrote:
Clouds.....cosmis rays.....
.... the "scientists (priests)"....
'this just in' talks of stuff that AGW deniers have brewed for many years. If 'its just in' to 'this just in', then 'this just in' has always been out.

As for AGW denier brew, they left out the most important ingredients in their educations..... long term upper level mathematics & science courses. Cosmic rays & clouds are AGW denier mythology & are not determining factors in present decadal warming.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#16 Jul 6, 2011
Jan wrote:
Didn't you notice that the title of this forum area is "Meteorology?"
The forum that I am referring to is this one.
Aha, I'm with you now, Topix has many forums that share topics, I only use the, "Global Warming" forum.
This just in

Loyalton, CA

#17 Jul 7, 2011
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
As for AGW denier brew, they left out the most important ingredients in their educations..... long term upper level mathematics & science courses.
Great point, which is why THOUSANDS of PHD's DON'T agree with you.
You are a sheep being led, and have never checked out facts for yourself. Take a look at the early predictions which completely fail to meet the theory. While there has been warming (since the little ice age) there have also been cooling periods between and a BIG one is due to solar activity which provides a nearly perfect correlation with temperature, where CO2 DOES NOT AND NEVER HAS.
Hpw about explaing some FACTS?
Instead of repeating others failed science, since you are clearly a scientist (NOT) why not get your PROOF together and make a few thouand dollars by proving "your theory". You can't.
litesong

Arlington, WA

#18 Jul 7, 2011
[QUOTE who="this just in" is just out]..... get your PROOF together and... proving "your theory".[/QUOTE]

There is nothing scientific that AGW deniers can do to overturn AGW scientists' conclusions. "this just in" says nothing that is 'just in'. He retreads the same ol' AGW denier BS with arrogance, but no upper level science & mathematics.
This just in

United States

#19 Jul 12, 2011
Obviously, no one gives a healthy toss about your opinion, despite you giving yourself positive comments.
Since you are so concerned about CO2, why not stop breathing? What a fool.

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