OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

Created by CitizenTopix on Oct 11, 2010

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Homer

United States

#47855 Oct 1, 2013
Jesse wrote:
HAAAAAAAA
The rethugs teabaggers and their supporters will go down next nov, 2014.
HAAAAA
About time!!!!
Jethro

United States

#47856 Oct 1, 2013
Like the POTUS said "It is all about the rethugs losing the election"

And they are going to loose big time in 2014.
Packing Heat

Vinita, OK

#47857 Oct 1, 2013
After 5 years of Obama, Poor People are still on the bottom rung of society and... they only have themselves and liberal retards to blame if they keep voting for these Corrupt Progressive Democrats...

Progressive Democrats in the U.S. Senate and Congress to their Obamabot Followers:
"Obamacare is good for you and your family, but not for us and our families"

Obamabots:
"Yes master, thanks for the free Obamaphone and our free foodstamps...

We like it here on the Progressive Democrat Plantation without any jobs and our Government Shutdown with our Obamacare Premium Due.
Packing Heat

Vinita, OK

#47858 Oct 1, 2013
Universal Health Care Not Best Option
By Michael D. Tanner
This article appeared in The Bulletin on February 23, 2009
Supporters of a government-run national health care system often urge the United States to learn from the experience of other countries and they are right. But those lessons may not be exactly what the political left expects. For example:

• Universal health insurance does not necessarily mean universal access to health care. In practice, many countries promise universal coverage but ration care or have extremely long waiting lists for treatment. Those countries that have single-payer systems or systems heavily weighted toward government control are the most likely to face waiting lists, rationing, restrictions on the choice of physician, and other barriers to care.

• Those countries with national health care systems that work better, such as France, the Netherlands and Switzerland, are successful to the degree that they incorporate market mechanisms such as competition, cost-consciousness, market prices, and consumer choice, and eschew centralized government control.
In France, for example, co-payments run between 10 and 40 percent, and physicians can balance bill over and above government reimbursement rates, something not allowed in the U.S. Medicare program. On average, French patients pay roughly as much out of pocket as do Americans. The Swiss government pays a smaller percentage of health care spending than does the U.S.

• Rising health care spending is not a uniquely American phenomenon. While other countries spend considerably less than the U.S. on health care both as a percentage of GDP and per capita, it is often because they begin with a lower base of expenditures. But their costs are still rising, leading to budget deficits, tax increases, and/or benefit cuts. In 2004, the last year for which data is available, the average annual increase for per capita health spending in European countries was 5.55 percent, only slightly lower than the United States’ 6.21 percent. As the Wall Street Journal notes, Europeans face steeper medical bills in the future in their cash-strapped governments. In short, there is no free lunch.
CONTINUED NEXT POST...
Packing Heat

Vinita, OK

#47859 Oct 1, 2013
CONTINUED FROM LAST POST...
• While no country with universal coverage is contemplating abandoning a universal system, the broad and growing trend in countries with national health care systems is to move away from centralized government control and to introduce more market oriented features. As Richard Saltman and Josep Figueras of the World Health Organization put it, The presumption of public primacy is being reassessed. Thus, even as the U.S. debates adopting a government-run system, countries with those systems are debating how to make their systems look more like the U.S.
Looking at other countries and their experiences, then, can provide guidance to Americans as we debate how to reform our health care system. In most cases, national health care systems have successfully expanded insurance coverage to the vast majority, if not quite all, of the population.

But they have not solved the universal and seemingly irresistible problem of rising health care costs. In many cases, attempts to control costs through governmental fiat have led to problems with access to care, either delays in receiving care or outright rationing.

In wrestling with this dilemma, many countries are loosening government controls and injecting market mechanisms, particularly cost-sharing by patients, market pricing of goods and services, and increased competition among insurers and providers. As Pat Cox, former president of the European Parliament, put it in a report to the European Commission, we should start to explore the power of the market as a way of achieving much better value for money?

Moreover, the growth of the government share of health care spending, which had increased steadily from the end of World War II until the mid-1980s, has stopped, and in many countries the private share has begun to increase, in some cases substantially. There is even evidence of a growing shift from public to private provision of health care.

If the trend in the U.S. over the last several years has been toward more of a European-style system, the trend in Europe is toward a system that looks more like the U.S.

Therefore, if there is a lesson which U.S. policymakers can take from national health care systems around the world, it is not to follow the road to government-run national health care, but to increase consumer incentives and control.

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/u...
Packing Heat

Vinita, OK

#47860 Oct 1, 2013
Jethro wrote:
<quoted text>Like the POTUS said "It is all about the rethugs losing the election"

And they are going to loose big time in 2014.

Heard that same bullshit in 2010... how did that workout for you, ROFLMAO
Packing Heat

Vinita, OK

#47861 Oct 1, 2013
WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>You should worry most about Federal prisoners being feed.

Really Chester? "Federal prisoners being feed"???

Exactly what kind of feed are you worried about your extended family and friends being turned into that you think I should worry most about, you ignorant dolt?

Did they even let you go to the school for the retarded in Grapevine Texas Chester?
Oh' never mind Chester...
DISMISSED, just put that Crack-Pipe down and go kill your self.
So What

Mcloud, OK

#47862 Oct 1, 2013
DoesntMatter wrote:
Lmfao the Obamacare website has disappeared LOL! The irony is hilarious. They can't even get a website right lol
People without Healthcare is funny to you? How's your nowhere job treating you? You should be looking for another job, your just one more Wal-Mart away from unemployment. Then who will be laughing?
WarForOil

Grapevine, TX

#47863 Oct 1, 2013
Packing Heat wrote:
<quoted text>
Really Chester? "Federal prisoners being feed"???

DISMISSED,
If you could read AND understand,
you'd see I said 'you' should be worried.

Come on, General DISMISSED, do better.
Or I may actually abandon you to belittle
someone at least a little interesting.

Your cut & pastes are mostly meaningless,
and your authored stuff is 5th grade.

You're dangerous close to being ignored.

Tell us more about TOPIX censoring and
your amassed fortune. Maybe a little
more gun worship too. Is your pickup
elevated ?
Packing Heat

Vinita, OK

#47864 Oct 1, 2013
DoesntMatter wrote:
<quoted text>Lmfao the Obamacare website has disappeared LOL! The irony is hilarious. They can't even get a website right lol
And to think Liberal Retards always ignore the obvious, lol.

IRS also lost $60+ Million Dollars alotted to them to enforce it. What else could possibly go wrong, lol.
So What wrote:
<quoted text>People without Healthcare is funny to you? How's your nowhere job treating you? You should be looking for another job, your just one more Wal-Mart away from unemployment. Then who will be laughing?

Where in that post was it said "DoesntMatter" said or thought people without healthcare was funny? Take your time and re-read it... I have all day to laugh at you.

By the way, how's your nowhere life treating you lately? Perhaps you should be looking for another tit to milk on since the Government One got shut down by Democrats at 12:01am this morning, lol. Your just one election away from having to get off your ass and support your own kids for a change, lol. Then who will be laughing? ROFLMAO.

Also, if you all every do manage to get logged on to Obamacareless' Site, your coverage does not take effect until January 1st, 2014, lol...
If ever at all, ROFLMAO.
Packing Heat

Vinita, OK

#47865 Oct 1, 2013
WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>You should worry most about Federal prisoners being feed.

Really Chester? "Federal prisoners being feed"???

Exactly what kind of feed are you worried about your extended family and friends being turned into that you think I should worry most about, you ignorant dolt?

Did they even let you go to the school for the retarded in Grapevine Texas Chester?
Oh' never mind Chester...
DISMISSED, just put that Crack-Pipe down and go kill your self.
WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>If you could read AND understand,
you'd see I said 'you' should be worried.
So you admit you have no comprehension skills was the reason you didn't see I ask what you thought I should worry about.
I accept your surrender and admission of being stupid. Nice way to avoid my question of your ignorant statement that you made...
quote: "I should worry about Federal Prisoners being feed."
What kind of feed is it that I should worry about Chester... worm feed maybe? Sorry but... I'm not worried about "Federal Prisoners being feed"... you ignorant dolt.
WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>Come on do better. Or I may actually abandon you to belittle someone at least a little interesting.
You will quit when I decide bitch! I'm not concerned you will ever leave until I'm finished insulting and belittle you Chester.
WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>Your cut & pastes are mostly meaningless, and your authored stuff is 5th grade.
And what you say and think is meaningless, Chester... your point was what, again?
WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>You're dangerous close to being ignored.
You ignorant dolt, not even remotely close so STFU. You stay until I'm through with you, wanna bet? ROFLMAO at you Chester...
I accept your surrender and admission that you are addicted to Topix, lol. So relax while I continue to insult and belittle you Retard, and enjoy it.
WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>Tell us more about TOPIX censoring and your amassed fortune. Maybe a little more gun worship too. Is your pickup elevated ?
Oh' I didn't tell you?

Must not have been any of your damn business, lol...

now you can go kill your self, I'm finished with you for now.

DISMISSED Chester, lol.
WarForOil

Grapevine, TX

#47866 Oct 1, 2013
Packing Heat wrote:
<quoted text>
Really Chester? "Federal prisoners being feed"???
Exactly what kind of feed are you worried about your extended family and friends being turned into that you think I should worry most about, you ignorant dolt?
Did they even let you go to the school for the retarded in Grapevine Texas Chester?
Oh' never mind Chester...
DISMISSED, just put that Crack-Pipe down and go kill your self.
<quoted text> So you admit you have no comprehension skills was the reason you didn't see I ask what you thought I should worry about.
I accept your surrender and admission of being stupid. Nice way to avoid my question of your ignorant statement that you made...
quote: "I should worry about Federal Prisoners being feed."
What kind of feed is it that I should worry about Chester... worm feed maybe? Sorry but... I'm not worried about "Federal Prisoners being feed"... you ignorant dolt.
<quoted text> You will quit when I decide bitch! I'm not concerned you will ever leave until I'm finished insulting and belittle you Chester.
<quoted text> And what you say and think is meaningless, Chester... your point was what, again?
<quoted text> You ignorant dolt, not even remotely close so STFU. You stay until I'm through with you, wanna bet? ROFLMAO at you Chester...
I accept your surrender and admission that you are addicted to Topix, lol. So relax while I continue to insult and belittle you Retard, and enjoy it.
<quoted text> Oh' I didn't tell you?
Must not have been any of your damn business, lol...
now you can go kill your self, I'm finished with you for now.
DISMISSED Chester, lol.
Some forms of life are lower than others.
You're not interesting any longer.

It's best that you're an Okie.
Packing Heat

Vinita, OK

#47867 Oct 1, 2013
WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>Some forms of life are lower than others. You're not interesting any longer. It's best that you're an Okie.
Yeah, you've never been interesting but a lot of fun to insult and belittle. I was just laughing at you earlier about you being so low in life they set the bar on the ground and it was still too high for you and you could not reach it, Chester.

Yes, I agree Oklahomans are best but... compared to you... everyone is better than you Chester.

You ignorant dolt, You'll stay until I'm through with you, wanna bet? ROFLMAO at you Chester...
I accept your surrender and admission that you are addicted to Topix, lol. So relax while I continue to insult and belittle you Retard, and enjoy it.

Like I already told you, you're not going off anywhere and you will most certainly keep replying just like I said you will. You idiolize me Chester and wished you had wealth but... it will just never happen Chester, too bad for you, lol.

DISMISSED
DoesntMatter

Oklahoma City, OK

#47868 Oct 1, 2013
Obamacare is racist. You gotta have ID to sign up.
Packing Heat

Vinita, OK

#47869 Oct 1, 2013
DoesntMatter wrote:
Obamacare is racist. You gotta have ID to sign up.
Then it's true... those racist progressive Democrats did that to stop the poor people from signing up for healthcare coverage.

Must be that secret death panel Sarah Palin warned them about.
ROFLMAO...
Justaminute

Oklahoma City, OK

#47870 Oct 1, 2013
Funny that you two would mention this.

When you sign up for health insurance on the exchanges, you can also register to vote as well.

I'm also able to get a better policy with lower deductible at $200 a month cheaper. My husband also was able to lower his from the same company he uses now, Blue Cross.

Buying health insurance from a company...or as Repubs call it Socialism....Laughing My Ass Off At Idiot Repubs.......
Justaminute

Oklahoma City, OK

#47871 Oct 1, 2013
Of course those Repub Congressmen are losing nothing by closing government and could care less about government workers because their multi-MILLIONAIRES...

Health insurance for them...we're paying for...and the $175,000 that they make a year...especially for working less hours than any other House has in it's history...

And they are still getting paid....

And today we rack up another $50 million for simply closing the government...

Repubs and fiscal responsibility.......what a joke!
DoesntMatter

Perkins, OK

#47872 Oct 1, 2013
Well Tamara, looks like my ins went up $100 and my deductible went up $500
Justaminute

Oklahoma City, OK

#47873 Oct 1, 2013
Gov. Failling said there was not enough money to build storm shelters in Oklahoma schools but she found the money to give the well off a tax cut.

Never fear, the Oklahoma Dems are collecting signatures to put a bond issue on the ballot to build the shelters. We Dems actually think that children living in tornado alley are more important than Republican do. Of course Gov Failing is against the bond issue as well...
funny

Broken Arrow, OK

#47874 Oct 1, 2013
i dont understand why yall think the obamacare is better... Isnt there a 1930s unfinished subway in new york? I would love to have that job! Thats a lifetime job security.... The subway was bought out by govt,(city, i presume) because the companies were gonna raise the price, people didnt want that. So govt took over and raised prices anyways, and started building a new subway, in thr 1930s that is still unfinished.... It may be a "blessing" now till they raise the price, or for some take your tax returns, for non payment :(

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