OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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Justaminute

Oklahoma City, OK

#46720 Aug 26, 2013
If the Western Nations and Israel don't want to put some skin in the game, why should we?

The only one who really benefit's from any of this is the military industrial complex.

We are never again going to put boots on the ground over there and bombs can just do so much. Even if Assad would leave tomorrow, who takes his place? That's the million dollar question and if you have no answer, leave it alone.
Justaminute

Oklahoma City, OK

#46722 Aug 26, 2013
-The Artist- wrote:
15 Photos From the Tahrir Square Protests You’ll Never See In Legacy Media.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-02/gues...
Judged:331
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
15 Photos From the Tahrir Square Protests You’ll Never See In Legacy Media.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-02/gues ...
Obama supported the overthrow of Mubarak knowing full well the Muslim brotherhood (a banned organization under Mubarak) would rise up and would come to power.
Now when the citizens of Egypt rise up to overthrow Morsi's attempt at establishing yet another Islamic theocracy under Obama's watch he backs the terrorist Islamic group MB.
See here's the thing, we didn't drop any bombs on Egypt. This whole thing is being driven by Egyptians. And the Egyptian military.

Let's look around why don't we....Egypt and Syria have a common neighbor...Israel...

Egypt and Syria stays embroiled in civil discord and civil war..who benefits....Isreal...

Trouble at home, no time to make trouble for it's neighbors.

And if there's trouble there, they can't help Iran either. It's a two-fer.
DoesntMatter

Perkins, OK

#46723 Aug 26, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
This is Aug. 26th, "2013" isn't it?

I received paper work from "MEDICARE" about having major surgery OCTOBER 9th, "2012" and that I had met my deductible beginning Oct. 9th, 2012 to the end of the year of 2012. I guess they think those bills have not been paid up by me for the year of 2012. Maybe someone should let them know what year this is and that the Government is some what late about this information. And people wants the Government to completely run the Healthcare system in this country. Little I guess they know That my medical bills are also paid up to date for 2013 and that includes the reconstruction surgery I had to have in March from the Surgery in Oct. 9th, 2012.
I just thought I would share this info about how the government does their paper work for Medicare.
I'm sure that's how a lot of things will go soon.
DoesntMatter

Perkins, OK

#46724 Aug 26, 2013
-The Artist- wrote:
15 Photos From the Tahrir Square Protests YouÂ’ll Never See In Legacy Media.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-02/gues...

Judged:331
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
15 Photos From the Tahrir Square Protests YouÂ’ll Never See In Legacy Media.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-02/gues ...

Obama supported the overthrow of Mubarak knowing full well the Muslim brotherhood (a banned organization under Mubarak) would rise up and would come to power.

Now when the citizens of Egypt rise up to overthrow Morsi's attempt at establishing yet another Islamic theocracy under Obama's watch he backs the terrorist Islamic group MB.
Same thing in Libya too.

But the dems have nothing to say about his continued support of terrorists, with our tax dollars at that. The rebels in Syria are Al Quaeda, MB and the likes of these scum. And I do not believe that Assad used chemicals on his own people. It doesn't make any sense. But did he? We don't know and neither does Obama, unless he financed it and he gave it to the rebels, which I wouldn't doubt for a second. Then he knows Assad didn't do it.

We don't need to be there. But that's exactly why we will be, so Obama can purposefully help another country be taken over by Muslim Brotherhood.
Justaminute

Oklahoma City, OK

#46725 Aug 26, 2013
I know one thing for sure, these situations has resulted in Iran making tiny overtures to the US government. Which they didn't before.
Justaminute

Oklahoma City, OK

#46726 Aug 26, 2013
Gee, the Middle East is full of Muslims....who knew?

LOL

And the US is going to funnel money to anyone they think that will not make any noise in Israel's direction.

No matter who is President of the US and which party he or she belongs too.

What's funny is that for all you all's interest in this situation, you didn't pay attention that Morisi was starting to make noise at Israel...and Assad was best buds with Iran.

The US Gov. knows that it can't control the ME militarily, but being able to station our ships off the coast sure stops the transport of Arms.

To Lebanon, Hamas and Hezzbollah...no shipments

To Egypt...no arms shipments to the Muslim Brotherhood...

To Syria...no arms shipments from Russia and Iran..

I'm sure that's the plan...
DoesntMatter

Perkins, OK

#46727 Aug 26, 2013
Well there you have it folks. Kerry is accusing Assad of destroying evidence, that way they have an excuse when they have no evidence to present for their war crimes.

But hey, the bright side is war always helps an economy. Obama needs something to make it look like he helped somewhere. But it won't be us.
DoesntMatter

Perkins, OK

#46728 Aug 26, 2013
John Kerry's speech was better when George W. Bush gave it.
DoesntMatter

Perkins, OK

#46729 Aug 26, 2013
Oklahoma State employees who were bypassed for an across-the-board pay increase earlier this year may want to brace themselves for another financial hit.

Due partially to Obamacare, the cost of health insurance premiums will be going up on seven of the eight insurance plan options offered to state employees beginning Jan. 1.

Increases will range from 2 percent to 12.5 percent, depending on the plan chosen and number of family members on the plan.

For employees who choose the popular HealthChoice High option, the option chosen by 80 percent of state employees, premiums will go up $20.88 a month for single employees with no dependents. Couples with two or more children on that plan will see their premiums rise $31.10 a month.

The federal Affordable Care Act, commonly referred to as Obamacare, is responsible for part of the rate hike, said Frank Wilson, administrator of the Employees Group Insurance Division of the Office of Management and Enterprise Services.

It requires a new federal tax that adds $5.25 a month per covered person to the cost of self-funded HealthChoice insurance plans, he said.

Health Maintenance Organizations are required to pay both the new tax and additional fees, so employees who choose the CommunityCare HMO and GlobalHealth HMO options will experience much greater rate hikes, he said.

The only insured state employees who will escape the premium hikes are those who choose the cheapest, most basic health plan — the high-deductible HealthChoice S-Account.

Their premiums will remain unchanged, but only about 350 of the state's estimated 33,000 employees are on that plan, Wilson said.

The new federal tax applies to the HeathChoice S-Account as well as the others, but the Oklahoma Employees Insurance and Benefits Board chose not to pass the tax on to those policy holders.

Sterling Zearley, director of the Oklahoma Public Employees Association, said the rate hikes are going to be tough on state employees.

“The rising cost of health care, especially HMO premiums, is taking more money out of the pockets of hard working state employees,” he said.“Many of these workers have not had a raise in several years and their expenses continue to rise.”

In 2012, the state froze the amount it allocates to employees for insurance benefits, so employees will have to absorb the premium hikes, Zearley said.

Even after the hike, Oklahoma's insurance benefits will still be among the most lucrative in the country.

State employees receive a fixed allowance on top of their wages to cover the cost of health insurance. The current annual allowance is $7,273 for the worker, an additional $8,061 for the employee's spouse, and an additional $2,759 if one dependent child is on the plan or an additional $4,383 if two or more children are covered.

The allowance adds up to $19,717 a year for a family of four.

The allowances are high enough that single employees without dependents currently can choose coverage from any but the most expensive two of the state's eight health insurance options, add dental, vision and life insurance coverage, and still have money left over to supplement their salaries.

That still will be true after the hike, but they will have less allowance money left over to supplement their salaries. The portion that is rolled over into salaries becomes taxable.

For families on all but the most expensive two health plan options, allowances have been and will continue to be high enough to cover their health insurance premiums. But many are already kicking in extra money for dental, vision and/or life insurance for their families. That amount will go up in January.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#46730 Aug 26, 2013
DoesntMatter wrote:
Oklahoma State employees who were bypassed for an across-the-board pay increase earlier this year may want to brace themselves for another financial hit.
Due partially to Obamacare, the cost of health insurance premiums will be going up on seven of the eight insurance plan options offered to state employees beginning Jan. 1.
Increases will range from 2 percent to 12.5 percent, depending on the plan chosen and number of family members on the plan.
For employees who choose the popular HealthChoice High option, the option chosen by 80 percent of state employees, premiums will go up $20.88 a month for single employees with no dependents. Couples with two or more children on that plan will see their premiums rise $31.10 a month.
The federal Affordable Care Act, commonly referred to as Obamacare, is responsible for part of the rate hike, said Frank Wilson, administrator of the Employees Group Insurance Division of the Office of Management and Enterprise Services.
It requires a new federal tax that adds $5.25 a month per covered person to the cost of self-funded HealthChoice insurance plans, he said.
Health Maintenance Organizations are required to pay both the new tax and additional fees, so employees who choose the CommunityCare HMO and GlobalHealth HMO options will experience much greater rate hikes, he said.
The only insured state employees who will escape the premium hikes are those who choose the cheapest, most basic health plan — the high-deductible HealthChoice S-Account.
Their premiums will remain unchanged, but only about 350 of the state's estimated 33,000 employees are on that plan, Wilson said.
The new federal tax applies to the HeathChoice S-Account as well as the others, but the Oklahoma Employees Insurance and Benefits Board chose not to pass the tax on to those policy holders.
Sterling Zearley, director of the Oklahoma Public Employees Association, said the rate hikes are going to be tough on state employees.
“The rising cost of health care, especially HMO premiums, is taking more money out of the pockets of hard working state employees,” he said.“Many of these workers have not had a raise in several years and their expenses continue to rise.”
In 2012, the state froze the amount it allocates to employees for insurance benefits, so employees will have to absorb the premium hikes, Zearley said.
Even after the hike, Oklahoma's insurance benefits will still be among the most lucrative in the country.
State employees receive a fixed allowance on top of their wages to cover the cost of health insurance. The current annual allowance is $7,273 for the worker, an additional $8,061 for the employee's spouse, and an additional $2,759 if one dependent child is on the plan or an additional $4,383 if two or more children are covered.
The allowance adds up to $19,717 a year for a family of four.
The allowances are high enough that single employees without dependents currently can choose coverage from any but the most expensive two of the state's eight health insurance options, add dental, vision and life insurance coverage, and still have money left over to supplement their salaries.
That still will be true after the hike, but they will have less allowance money left over to supplement their salaries. The portion that is rolled over into salaries becomes taxable.
For families on all but the most expensive two health plan options, allowances have been and will continue to be high enough to cover their health insurance premiums. But many are already kicking in extra money for dental, vision and/or life insurance for their families. That amount will go up in January.
I have heard this happening all along. I also said that any one either getting help funding their health ins. premiums though employers or government it will be counted as earned income and will be taxed. The government has not been very open about this.
DoesntMatter

Perkins, OK

#46731 Aug 26, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>I have heard this happening all along. I also said that any one either getting help funding their health ins. premiums though employers or government it will be counted as earned income and will be taxed. The government has not been very open about this.
Correct. And on top of that, the state employees I know are Obama voters and they're not very happy today. Now that's funny.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#46732 Aug 26, 2013
DoesntMatter wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct. And on top of that, the state employees I know are Obama voters and they're not very happy today. Now that's funny.
This is also the reason so many employers are opting to make full time employees part time employees. That way the employer is not responsible to see that the employees have health ins.
Justaminute

Oklahoma City, OK

#46733 Aug 26, 2013
You know it's really funny reading people's posts that are complaining about Obamacare.

Making people take personal responsibility for their healthcare. Oh..noes....

Most of these complainers are on Medicare, a government health care policy.

Ask them how many of them are willing to go off of Medicare and pay for their own insurance on the open market.. with out the protections of Obamacare.

That's why Repubs are fighting so hard, they know that people will like it just as much as they do Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

Not one country in the world that has health insurance support or single payer has ever given it up...not one. That should tell you something.

And Massachusetts, that had it first......you don't hear any repub pol there running on a platform of getting rid of it...ever.
Justaminute

Oklahoma City, OK

#46734 Aug 26, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>This is also the reason so many employers are opting to make full time employees part time employees. That way the employer is not responsible to see that the employees have health ins.
If employers won't do right by their employees, they will just move us faster to a single payer system like they have in Canada. This will remove them completely from the picture.
DoesntMatter

Perkins, OK

#46735 Aug 26, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>This is also the reason so many employers are opting to make full time employees part time employees. That way the employer is not responsible to see that the employees have health ins.
Yes, it's already happening. We are already a nation of part time jobs. But hey, as long as women can get an abortion or birth control.
Justaminute

Oklahoma City, OK

#46736 Aug 26, 2013
DoesntMatter wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct. And on top of that, the state employees I know are Obama voters and they're not very happy today. Now that's funny.
Their not happy because Obamacare didn't go far enough. They wanted a private option to compete with the insurance companies and keep the cost down.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#46737 Aug 26, 2013
Justaminute wrote:
You know it's really funny reading people's posts that are complaining about Obamacare.
Making people take personal responsibility for their healthcare. Oh..noes....
Most of these complainers are on Medicare, a government health care policy.
Ask them how many of them are willing to go off of Medicare and pay for their own insurance on the open market.. with out the protections of Obamacare.
That's why Repubs are fighting so hard, they know that people will like it just as much as they do Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.
Not one country in the world that has health insurance support or single payer has ever given it up...not one. That should tell you something.
And Massachusetts, that had it first......you don't hear any repub pol there running on a platform of getting rid of it...ever.
Do you think that the people on medicare has always been on Medicare.? Most of the people on Medicare have already walked in your shoes and bought their health insurance thru the employers or on their own. Do not realize that most have family members that are worried where Obamacare is taken health care coverage and how it will be affecting them. I guess some of you think you are in the elite group in wanting the best out of health care coverage but worried that Obamacare will not do that. H3ll we know where Obamacare is taking Medicare! If they are not cost affective to treat just give a pain pill and count the days till the end comes. Obama said that himself. Oh well many feel this is how to control the 'Old Farts"!
Justaminute

Oklahoma City, OK

#46738 Aug 26, 2013
Justaminute wrote:
<quoted text>
Their not happy because Obamacare didn't go far enough. They wanted a private option to compete with the insurance companies and keep the cost down.
But that's taken care of, insurance companies can no longer over charge, if they do, they will have to issue a refund.

Nor can they deny you if you have a pre-existing condition.

That's why Repubs can't come up with a plan to replace Obamacare, it was a Republican idea in the first place.

And if voter's really wanted to get rid of Obamacare, well the last election the Republicans would have won handily by large margins. It didn't happen.

That's why the Repubs are working so hard to stop people from voting. If you can't come up with ideas to get voter's out there to vote for you, stop them from voting.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#46739 Aug 26, 2013
Justaminute wrote:
<quoted text>
But that's taken care of, insurance companies can no longer over charge, if they do, they will have to issue a refund.
Nor can they deny you if you have a pre-existing condition.
That's why Repubs can't come up with a plan to replace Obamacare, it was a Republican idea in the first place.
And if voter's really wanted to get rid of Obamacare, well the last election the Republicans would have won handily by large margins. It didn't happen.
That's why the Repubs are working so hard to stop people from voting. If you can't come up with ideas to get voter's out there to vote for you, stop them from voting.
Exactly how are the republicans stopping people from voting?
Justaminute

Oklahoma City, OK

#46740 Aug 26, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Do you think that the people on medicare has always been on Medicare.? Most of the people on Medicare have already walked in your shoes and bought their health insurance thru the employers or on their own. Do not realize that most have family members that are worried where Obamacare is taken health care coverage and how it will be affecting them. I guess some of you think you are in the elite group in wanting the best out of health care coverage but worried that Obamacare will not do that. H3ll we know where Obamacare is taking Medicare! If they are not cost affective to treat just give a pain pill and count the days till the end comes. Obama said that himself. Oh well many feel this is how to control the 'Old Farts"!
That's the thing Tamara, when you had insurance, you didn't have any insurance company refuse to issue you a policy. Did you have any one drop you because you got a costly health problem?

Did they charge you premiums that were 1/3 of your salary.?

Nor do you say what you would have done if your husband's caner had happened when he was 50 years old and the insurance company dropped you like they have done other people.

People want health care protection.

Because no matter what, we are all human and any minute our situation could change due to an accident or an illness.

That's why Obamacare is here to stay. And hopefully one day, Medicare for all. It's inevitable.

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