OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, Sta...

OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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So What

Newalla, OK

#44585 Jul 9, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Glad you had a great weekend. These kind of weekends are fun but it is nice to get back to normal.
Actually WFO doesn't bother me that much. In fact I find him sort of funny.
Now So What tends to drive me nuts. You know the posting about her parents getting rich off of health Insurance thing did. Now her rants about this Indian thing. I am not seeing where she is going with it and the now problem of illegals here in the States. This Pale Face does not give a rats ass that she is pist about the Indians getting a raw deal back in the times of old. I am not responsible for what happen back then and if she feels she has gotten screwed in this situation let take to the Founding Fathers or dig Custer up give him the piece of her mind like he would give a damn.
I didn't elaborate on my parent's insurance because I didn't expect someone that relies only on Medicare for ALL their healthcare needs to understand the many types of insurance over the past 50 years that have been available. I never said they got rich off of insurance, but I can see how you could come to that conclusion because of you and your husbands lack of adequate insurance.
I found it interesting how much this subject bothered you. Just because some people are better at making sure they don't become a burden to their children, or are one illness away from turning their assets over to the state so they can go into a long term care facility, doesn't give you the right to accuse someone of lying, or breaking the law.
You might not want to use the word "nuts" when referring to yourself. Someone will probably agree with you, and have you committed.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44586 Jul 9, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't elaborate on my parent's insurance because I didn't expect someone that relies only on Medicare for ALL their healthcare needs to understand the many types of insurance over the past 50 years that have been available. I never said they got rich off of insurance, but I can see how you could come to that conclusion because of you and your husbands lack of adequate insurance.
I found it interesting how much this subject bothered you. Just because some people are better at making sure they don't become a burden to their children, or are one illness away from turning their assets over to the state so they can go into a long term care facility, doesn't give you the right to accuse someone of lying, or breaking the law.
You might not want to use the word "nuts" when referring to yourself. Someone will probably agree with you, and have you committed.
I am sorry you are to stupid to comprehend what you are told! We have adequate health insurance now and every since we got married ! I know how the health insurance works! You said your parent made money from their health insurance when the got sick. Has anyone in your family ever had a policy that had no deductible, no co-pay and paid 100% of the bills? Probably not! Will we did for years and when My Husband fought cancer it paid off beautifully but we did not make many off his cancer! You seem to have a problem with us now having Medicare, plus a supplement and drug insurance. I am not nuts but you damn sure are. Going on about something in history that is done and over with and tell me I am responsible. We here is something you can work on for your Indian issues. Pocahontas is related to some First Ladies. Edith Wilson which is deceased and Nancy Reagan. Maybe Nancy will help you with you Indian issues.
You are the one that came on here making statement about Health insurance and you could answer any question put to you.
DoesntMatter

Cushing, OK

#44587 Jul 9, 2013
The cost of subsidies for those seeking government aid through ObamaCare has increased dramatically, critics say – even before a single dollar has been collected.
Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah wrote a letter to the administration asking why the president is already requesting 107 percent more than three years ago to pay for subsidies.
"They low-balled everything, and they knew they were not asking for enough money to actually do this," John Goodman of the National Center for Policy Analysis said. "And so now they are coming along saying:'Oh, we've just discovered we don't have enough money'. They should’ve known that from day one."
"I don’t think most of America will be shocked that a government project is coming in over budget," Jim Capretta of the American Enterprise Institute said. "It’s the typical story and so yeah it's probably happening in this case as well."
The remarks followed by days the administration’s announcement it was easing requirements on those seeking government aid through ObamaCare, making it easier to apply for subsidies.
White House spokesman Jay Carney portrayed it as another example of flexibility.
"We have made clear all along when it comes to working with states that we are flexible with the way that they implement the Affordable Care Act," he said.
The Department of Health and Human Services quietly announced Friday it was tweaking the rules requiring those seeking federal aid for insurance coverage to prove they actually need the help.
Under the law, those seeking subsidies are supposed to have incomes no higher than 400 percent of the federal poverty line. Further, they can't have access to affordable insurance through their jobs.
The administration looked to the newly created "exchanges" -- a blend of federal- and-state run insurance marketplaces -- to verify those facts. Originally, the administration wanted to launch random checks to verify whether applicants got insurance through their jobs, and to individually verify everyone's income level.
But Reuters reports that the new rules released on Friday will give 16 states -- as well as the District of Columbia -- a pass for now on the employer-insurance verification. For those states, which are launching their own exchanges, the federal government will give them until 2015 to start random checks. The exchanges themselves launch at the beginning of 2014.
Last week the administration also announced it was delaying until 2015 a requirement that businesses employing 50 or more workers provide access to insurance.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44588 Jul 9, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>I didn't elaborate on my parent's insurance because I didn't expect someone that relies only on Medicare for ALL their healthcare needs to understand the many types of insurance over the past 50 years that have been available. I never said they got rich off of insurance, but I can see how you could come to that conclusion because of you and your husbands lack of adequate insurance.
I found it interesting how much this subject bothered you. Just because some people are better at making sure they don't become a burden to their children, or are one illness away from turning their assets over to the state so they can go into a long term care facility, doesn't give you the right to accuse someone of lying, or breaking the law.
You might not want to use the word "nuts" when referring to yourself. Someone will probably agree with you, and have you committed.
So are you saying now that I am on Medicare that I am below you, Kiddo? So what kind of health coverage do you have Babe? Guess what Babe Since Oct 4th 2012 I have had 2 major surgeries and all medical bills are paid for! Own my home that was built in 2003, all autos paid for, all bills paid for. Back when we had 3 kids at home we did the same plus sent all three to college without student loans.

I never said you were lying or your parents were breaking the law I said I don't think you knew what the H3LL you are talking about!
So What

Newalla, OK

#44589 Jul 9, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>Back in the time of history you are going back to did our government have laws in place at that time in regards to the entering the boards of the US? I am pretty sure the answer is NO. Now there are laws to people entering and leaving the boards of the US. I can not change what happened in history to what our country is today. There are laws to people crossing the US boards and these laws need to be followed. Even now there are laws for the US citizen leaving and return to the US. So if a US citizens needs to show legal IDs to leave and return then I would it is not asking that anyone crossing our board to come here do the same.
Allow me to show you what stupid looks like. You used the word board instead of border. Once is a mistake, but three times now that's stupid!
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44590 Jul 9, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>There is no deductible for Medicare if it is secondary, that I know of. Medicare becomes secondary anytime you have other health insurances. My parents had enough insurance that they made money when they got sick, so don't hold me to that.
The reason I didn't answer before was because I had to go. I have an 11 and 14 year old so things can get crazy in a moments notice. Sorry.
So What remember posting this about your parent had enough insurance that they 'made' money when they got sick, so don't hold me to that.
You stated that and I hold you to your post!

Also Friday June 21 Page 2152 you posted "I have those worries now, and I have enough insurance to cover bills except yearly deductibles"

Remember posting that?
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44591 Jul 9, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>Allow me to show you what stupid looks like. You used the word board instead of border. Once is a mistake, but three times now that's stupid!
Read my next post and see what stupid looks like when they can not remember what they had post!
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44592 Jul 9, 2013
Sorry So What that should have said read my last post instead of next!
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44594 Jul 9, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>Allow me to show you what stupid looks like. You used the word board instead of border. Once is a mistake, but three times now that's stupid!
Yep you got me! That's what I get for posting late at nite waiting for a pill the Doc gave me to take to settle my lower back down so I could get some rest. Try not to take anything but what I did that day set it into spasms. Oh well I know I am not perfect like you seem to think you are. You just can't remember at your younger than me age what you post.
Zane

United States

#44595 Jul 9, 2013
Pill popping TRAMARA----Takes you far, far, away.
Zane

United States

#44596 Jul 9, 2013
Packing Heat has been far, far, far, away for a long, long, long time.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44597 Jul 9, 2013
Zane wrote:
Pill popping TRAMARA----Takes you far, far, away.
1 pill and had not had one in 2 weeks. So Stuff it Kane! Like to see you handle a lumbar back problem!
DoesntMatter

Cushing, OK

#44598 Jul 9, 2013
Glad to see some finally showing their true colors
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44599 Jul 9, 2013
How Medicare works with other insurance. If you have Medicare and other health insurance or coverage, each type of coverage is called a "payer." When there's more than one payer, "coordination of benefits" rules decide which one pays first. The "primary payer" pays what it owes on your bills first, and then sends the rest to the "secondary payer" to pay. In some cases, there may also be a third payer.

What it means to pay primary/secondary
The insurance that pays first (primary payer) pays up to the limits of its coverage.
The one that pays second (secondary payer) only pays if there are costs the primary insurer didn't cover.
The secondary payer (which may be Medicare) may not pay all the uncovered costs.
If your employer insurance is the secondary payer, you may need to enroll in Medicare Part B before your insurance will pay.
Paying "first" means paying the whole bill up to the limits of the coverage. It doesn't always mean the primary payer pays first in time. If the insurance company doesn't pay the claim promptly (usually within 120 days), your doctor or other provider may bill Medicare. Medicare may make a conditional payment to pay the bill, and then later recover any payments the primary payer should've made.

If you have questions about who pays first, or if your insurance changes, call the Medicare Coordination of Benefits Contractor.
What's a conditional payment?
A conditional payment is a payment Medicare makes for services another payer may be responsible for. Medicare makes this conditional payment so you won't have to use your own money to pay the bill. The payment is "conditional" because it must be repaid to Medicare when a settlement, judgment, award, or other payment is made.
If Medicare makes a conditional payment for an item or service, and you get a settlement, judgment, award, or other payment for that item or service from an insurance company later, the conditional payment must be repaid to Medicare. You’re responsible for making sure Medicare gets repaid for the conditional payment.
How Medicare recovers conditional payments
If Medicare makes a conditional payment, you or your representative should call the Medicare Coordination of Benefits Contractor (COBC).
The COBC will notify the recovery contractor to work on your case. The recovery contractor is a separate contractor who uses the information you or your representative gives to the COBC to see Medicare gets repaid for the conditional payments.
The recovery contractor will gather information about any conditional payments Medicare made related to your pending settlement, judgment, or award. Once a settlement, judgment, or award is final, you or your representative should call the recovery contractor. The recovery contractor will get the final repayment amount (if any) on your case and issue a letter requesting repayment.

Search Medicare.gov for covered items type your Medicare.gov A federal government website managed by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services
7500 Security Boulevard, Baltimore, MD 21244

Here is a little info about Medicare working with other health insurance coverage.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44600 Jul 9, 2013
What I have read about having medicare and other health insurance coverage each policy is referred to as payers. Many thing determine when Medicare pays first or if on a group plan and it pay first then medicare. If there is another health policy there is always a first payer, second payer and a third payer. You are to give infor to your health care providers which is the primary payer and how many payers will be involved so the providers will be able to file the insurance properly. Primary will figure their pay out and then send the paper work the next payer and if there is a third payer the second payer will send them the paperwork to get the claims paid. Medicare can be first payer or second payer or third payer depending on the situation of the person health insurance set up. All money goes for paying the medical bills.

You can go to www.medicare.gov for more info
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44601 Jul 9, 2013
Look it up clueless! Don't take my word for the info.
I am pretty sure I know who clueless is.

So no matter how many health insurance policies your parents want to buy it comes down to First payer is primary and all after that will pay their present of the medical bill but they do not pay to the patient.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44602 Jul 9, 2013
Present should be percent.
So What

Newalla, OK

#44603 Jul 9, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>So are you saying now that I am on Medicare that I am below you, Kiddo? So what kind of health coverage do you have Babe? Guess what Babe Since Oct 4th 2012 I have had 2 major surgeries and all medical bills are paid for! Own my home that was built in 2003, all autos paid for, all bills paid for. Back when we had 3 kids at home we did the same plus sent all three to college without student loans.
I never said you were lying or your parents were breaking the law I said I don't think you knew what the H3LL you are talking about!
Sounds like you and your husband have some major health problems, and your in your 70's. Did it ever cross your mind that going out and drinking makes you a public health hazard. If your kids loved you, they would take your keys away, before you kill someone.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#44604 Jul 9, 2013
So What wrote:
<quoted text>Sounds like you and your husband have some major health problems, and your in your 70's. Did it ever cross your mind that going out and drinking makes you a public health hazard. If your kids loved you, they would take your keys away, before you kill someone.
A couple of beers ever once in a while. At this time we have no major health problems. we had really good Doctors taking care of us. My husband has been cancer free for some time now. Beer had nothing to do with his cancer. The problem I had had nothing to do with having a beer ever once in awhile. My health is doing great now! Don't worry about are health! As far as a public health hazard would we have to be contagious. We aren't! We drive fine. You are screwed up big time. What is your problem with people "70"? Hate to tell you I have 2 Aunts that are 88 and still driving and sharp mind wise.
What is your problem? I do not give a hoot if you agree with me or not. You have that right. But I don't have to agree with your opinion either!
So What

Newalla, OK

#44605 Jul 9, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
Look it up clueless! Don't take my word for the info.
I am pretty sure I know who clueless is.
So no matter how many health insurance policies your parents want to buy it comes down to First payer is primary and all after that will pay their present of the medical bill but they do not pay to the patient.
Did it ever occur to you that they purchased their insurance policies before the insurance industry changed the rules? No. That's because your narrow minded. That's why your a racist and don't even know it.

So throw some more profanity my way and prove my point by seeing just how much lower you can take yourself, but don't try to hard because six feet is the limit, and your already over half way there.

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