OK Health Care Freedom Amendment, State Question 756

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Packing Heat

Vinita, OK

#38159 Apr 9, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>And how does the government address mental health before someone does a terrible act towards others?


They don't while they buying one, this is how it works.

Imagine someone’s teenage son starts cutting himself or your daughter develops anorexia.

They take them to get help and some mental health worker decides that they are a danger and reports them under the Safe Act. That one person, who has never met them before, gets to decide whether or not they lose their civil liberty and get reported to the FBI and this information becomes part of their background check. When that person applies to buy a gun they will be denied.

Then the important questions become:
Is there any appeal process?

How long will this haunt their lives?

How many people will not get treatment because of this?
Stephen

United States

#38160 Apr 9, 2013
Lonestar Community College in Cypress,TX had a stabbing incident 14 people were hurt.

So to solve the problem liberals will protest and demand legislation to ban all knives or sharp objects?
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#38161 Apr 9, 2013
Maddy wrote:
<quoted text>
My research strongly suggest these terrible acts of violence against innocent people are being done by individuals with a long history of mental issues. It was known there were problems and these serious problems were ignored.
Columbine School Shooting. The two involved in that incident were known as being anti-social and dressed in gothic attired. Fellow students referred to them as being "weird" and "very dark" and other students didn't feel comfortable around them. Their respective home life would strongly suggest parents who didn't spend time with their teenagers. The teenagers basically "bunked out" at the parent's home. They even assembled their firearms and plans to assault the school inside the parent's home.
Aurora, Colorado shooting was done by an individual who was under the care of a psychiatrist who warned campus police that her patient was homicidal. Nothing was done to prevent the clear and present danger.
Newtown,Connecticut, Sandy Hook Elementary School. The shooter in this case had suffered from mental illness for years and it was known by the school system he attended and his mother. His mother was in the process, to have him committed to an institution when he got one of his mother's guns and started killing people.
All three of these cases it was mental illness that was the root cause.
I am not arguing that most violent acts are done by the mentally ill. Then you say these acts you mentioned the people were under psychiatrist so what are you wanting to see done. The people you mentioned were minors and could not buy a gun of any type legally. They either got the guns from their parents or some how got them illegally. I have always said when a gun is sold in any way a back ground check should be required. But this still would not have probably kept the guns out of the minors in the situations you mentioned.
Packing Heat

Vinita, OK

#38162 Apr 9, 2013
Maddy wrote:
<quoted text>
My research strongly suggest these terrible acts of violence against innocent people are being done by individuals with a long history of mental issues. It was known there were problems and these serious problems were ignored.
Columbine School Shooting. The two involved in that incident were known as being anti-social and dressed in gothic attired. Fellow students referred to them as being "weird" and "very dark" and other students didn't feel comfortable around them. Their respective home life would strongly suggest parents who didn't spend time with their teenagers. The teenagers basically "bunked out" at the parent's home. They even assembled their firearms and plans to assault the school inside the parent's home.
Aurora, Colorado shooting was done by an individual who was under the care of a psychiatrist who warned campus police that her patient was homicidal. Nothing was done to prevent the clear and present danger.
Newtown,Connecticut, Sandy Hook Elementary School. The shooter in this case had suffered from mental illness for years and it was known by the school system he attended and his mother. His mother was in the process, to have him committed to an institution when he got one of his mother's guns and started killing people.
All three of these cases it was mental illness that was the root cause.


Maddy, here is a really good article that raises as many questions as it does answers. Worth the read.
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/04/0...
Packing Heat

Vinita, OK

#38163 Apr 9, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>I am not arguing that most violent acts are done by the mentally ill. Then you say these acts you mentioned the people were under psychiatrist so what are you wanting to see done. The people you mentioned were minors and could not buy a gun of any type legally. They either got the guns from their parents or some how got them illegally. I have always said when a gun is sold in any way a back ground check should be required. But this still would not have probably kept the guns out of the minors in the situations you mentioned.


While I would agree that anyone that goes out and kills someone just to be killing them is mentally ill as far as I am concerned, this study says it differently.

Recent research shows the risk of violent acts committed by those with mental health diagnoses as part of the total population was just 3-5 percent.
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp068...
Maddy

United States

#38164 Apr 9, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>I am not arguing that most violent acts are done by the mentally ill. Then you say these acts you mentioned the people were under psychiatrist so what are you wanting to see done. The people you mentioned were minors and could not buy a gun of any type legally. They either got the guns from their parents or some how got them illegally. I have always said when a gun is sold in any way a back ground check should be required. But this still would not have probably kept the guns out of the minors in the situations you mentioned.
I'm a person who believes in looking for the root cause of a problem once that is understood then you decide the best course of action to "handle" this root cause. If we all agree in these highly publicized cases mental illness is the root cause and not guns,knives,cars,planes,chains aws or any other tool then we can devised a plan of action to control the root cause. This needs to be debated at length. But I will say as a preliminary suggestion when mental health issues arise in a person's life that parents,teachers,friends,love ones,including our health care professionals, become more educated to recognize and understand the warning signs of mental illness. By the time individuals start attending public school, teachers,school administrators should be educated to look for the signs of mental illness there should be a plan of action to address these issues and treatment available to those who suffer. Bi-Polar disorder was a mental illness that was ignored for years but now it has been talked about and better understood so the "signs" can be recognized and addressed.

People suffering from serious mental illness do not need to have access to guns or be able to purchase guns. We need to have a process in place to recognize and treat as soon as possible for their safety and the public's safety. Parents who have children who suffer from mental illness must be responsible to keep firearms safely stored where the child does not have access that may mean having individuals in a gun free environment such as a mental health care facility.

This needs much more conversation, debate and education to devise a plan which actually addresses the root cause.

Perhaps you have a suggestion?
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#38165 Apr 9, 2013
Maddy wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm a person who believes in looking for the root cause of a problem once that is understood then you decide the best course of action to "handle" this root cause. If we all agree in these highly publicized cases mental illness is the root cause and not guns,knives,cars,planes,chains aws or any other tool then we can devised a plan of action to control the root cause. This needs to be debated at length. But I will say as a preliminary suggestion when mental health issues arise in a person's life that parents,teachers,friends,love ones,including our health care professionals, become more educated to recognize and understand the warning signs of mental illness. By the time individuals start attending public school, teachers,school administrators should be educated to look for the signs of mental illness there should be a plan of action to address these issues and treatment available to those who suffer. Bi-Polar disorder was a mental illness that was ignored for years but now it has been talked about and better understood so the "signs" can be recognized and addressed.
People suffering from serious mental illness do not need to have access to guns or be able to purchase guns. We need to have a process in place to recognize and treat as soon as possible for their safety and the public's safety. Parents who have children who suffer from mental illness must be responsible to keep firearms safely stored where the child does not have access that may mean having individuals in a gun free environment such as a mental health care facility.
This needs much more conversation, debate and education to devise a plan which actually addresses the root cause.
Perhaps you have a suggestion?
To be honest I don't. I just know there will be a large percent of people that will not stick their necks out to say a person is mentally ill. Many love ones will ignore the problem because it hurt to bad to admit a love one and more a child is mentally ill. Then I would hate to think that someone that is not ,mentally ill gets upset and throw a fit and could be hauled off and someone deem them mentally ill. There is alot to think about!
Maddy

United States

#38166 Apr 9, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>To be honest I don't. I just know there will be a large percent of people that will not stick their necks out to say a person is mentally ill. Many love ones will ignore the problem because it hurt to bad to admit a love one and more a child is mentally ill. Then I would hate to think that someone that is not ,mentally ill gets upset and throw a fit and could be hauled off and someone deem them mentally ill. There is alot to think about!
Yes there is lots to consider. What I know with absolute clarity banning clips,magazines and guns does not address the root cause to the problem which is mental illness.
MistyGirl

United States

#38167 Apr 9, 2013
Maddy wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm a person who believes in looking for the root cause of a problem once that is understood then you decide the best course of action to "handle" this root cause. If we all agree in these highly publicized cases mental illness is the root cause and not guns,knives,cars,planes,chains aws or any other tool then we can devised a plan of action to control the root cause. This needs to be debated at length. But I will say as a preliminary suggestion when mental health issues arise in a person's life that parents,teachers,friends,love ones,including our health care professionals, become more educated to recognize and understand the warning signs of mental illness. By the time individuals start attending public school, teachers,school administrators should be educated to look for the signs of mental illness there should be a plan of action to address these issues and treatment available to those who suffer. Bi-Polar disorder was a mental illness that was ignored for years but now it has been talked about and better understood so the "signs" can be recognized and addressed.
People suffering from serious mental illness do not need to have access to guns or be able to purchase guns. We need to have a process in place to recognize and treat as soon as possible for their safety and the public's safety. Parents who have children who suffer from mental illness must be responsible to keep firearms safely stored where the child does not have access that may mean having individuals in a gun free environment such as a mental health care facility.
This needs much more conversation, debate and education to devise a plan which actually addresses the root cause.
Perhaps you have a suggestion?
You are right we have a mental health issue in this country. There is a stigma associated which needs to be erased in our society. But society has another problem. I have watched in my lifetime society's acceptance of lack of respect towards traditions, religious freedoms, traditional family values. Respect for our elderly the ones who we owe everything too but now a segment of our society wants to ignore or do away with our elders and in many cases our betters.

It is my personal opinion that the systematic destruction of our traditional family unit and our belief of respect towards our elderly has undermined the quality of our personal lives and society in general. Schools should not be in place of the parent involvement they should go hand in hand. Universities have turned into secularism as religion institutions. Promoting anything that counters any American Tradition. You see it in every single thing we do in our "new" accepted standards for society. It wasn't and isn't a improvement to our way of life.

I agree that banning guns/ammo isn't the solution.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#38168 Apr 9, 2013
MistyGirl wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right we have a mental health issue in this country. There is a stigma associated which needs to be erased in our society. But society has another problem. I have watched in my lifetime society's acceptance of lack of respect towards traditions, religious freedoms, traditional family values. Respect for our elderly the ones who we owe everything too but now a segment of our society wants to ignore or do away with our elders and in many cases our betters.
It is my personal opinion that the systematic destruction of our traditional family unit and our belief of respect towards our elderly has undermined the quality of our personal lives and society in general. Schools should not be in place of the parent involvement they should go hand in hand. Universities have turned into secularism as religion institutions. Promoting anything that counters any American Tradition. You see it in every single thing we do in our "new" accepted standards for society. It wasn't and isn't a improvement to our way of life.
I agree that banning guns/ammo isn't the solution.
I agree with what you have said. I have often wondered what happen to the down fall to our society when it comes to the family unit, religion and just in general the respect people had in this country and themselves.

I also agree that banning guns/ammo isn't the solution.
WarForOil

Grapevine, TX

#38169 Apr 10, 2013
Packing Heat wrote:
<quoted text>
Imagine someone’s teenage son starts cutting himself or your daughter develops anorexia.

They take them to get help and some mental health worker decides that they are a danger and reports them under the Safe Act.

When that person applies to buy a gun they will be denied.

How long will this haunt their lives?
How many people will not get treatment because of this?
Wow, that's an issue for sure.
Being reported as a mental case for anorexia happens
to everyone. Imagine the disappointment when that
person is refused a gun to kill others.

I've seen Okies and few of them are anorexic.
You should be concerned if fat people are denied guns.
Stephen

United States

#38170 Apr 10, 2013
WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, that's an issue for sure.
Being reported as a mental case for anorexia happens
to everyone. Imagine the disappointment when that
person is refused a gun to kill others.
I've seen Okies and few of them are anorexic.
You should be concerned if fat people are denied guns.
Stupid post.
Stephen

United States

#38171 Apr 10, 2013
Last Friday 4-5-2013 White House Spokesman Jay Carney confirmed at a press briefing that Barack Obama's budget would raise taxes on the Middle Class Americans...

Another broken promise.

*Major Garrett
CBS News
Stephen

United States

#38172 Apr 10, 2013
4-5-2013 Unemployment dropped for all the wrong reasons, says Craig Alexander, chief economist with TD Bank Financial Group. "It dropped because more workers stopped looking for jobs." It signals less confidence and optimism that there are jobs out there.

Sounds like the perfect time to raise taxes again.:-(.....NOT!

Yes, I said again since payroll tax increase was the first raise in taxes in January 2013 then Obama's budget will be another tax hike. Obama also wants to cut Social Security benefits up to $1000 dollars according to some reports. Increase taxes and cut benefits to those on Social Security?

Again anyone who hasn't realized this man has lied from day one should wake up and smell the coffee brewing!
Donnie

United States

#38173 Apr 10, 2013
Are all these stupid, ill-mannered, republicans and wantabee repigs in the 1% of the ultra rich or are they just surrogates for the 1%?

A mouthpiece for the rich and usually talking out their azz because their mouth knows better."""
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#38174 Apr 10, 2013
Stephen wrote:
4-5-2013 Unemployment dropped for all the wrong reasons, says Craig Alexander, chief economist with TD Bank Financial Group. "It dropped because more workers stopped looking for jobs." It signals less confidence and optimism that there are jobs out there.
Sounds like the perfect time to raise taxes again.:-(.....NOT!
Yes, I said again since payroll tax increase was the first raise in taxes in January 2013 then Obama's budget will be another tax hike. Obama also wants to cut Social Security benefits up to $1000 dollars according to some reports. Increase taxes and cut benefits to those on Social Security?
Again anyone who hasn't realized this man has lied from day one should wake up and smell the coffee brewing!
It bewilders me that there people out there that still believe in him. You need to add two of his friends that are helping agreat deal to get alot of what he is doing done. Reid and Pelosi!
Packing Heat

Vinita, OK

#38175 Apr 10, 2013
The Fake Donnie wrote:
Are all these stupid, ill-mannered, republicans and wantabee repigs in the 1% of the ultra rich or are they just surrogates for the 1%?
A mouthpiece for the rich and usually talking out their azz because their mouth knows better."""


You fat pathetic piece of shit, you must not have anything else to do besides posting ridiculous bullshit that doesn‘t make a damn bit of sense. There is no other reason for your pathetic meaningless existence is there? Is it the only way you can bolster your lack of self esteem? I bet, you being fat and on welfare limits the things you can do. You try to make yourself feel better in your failure of a life yet continue to fail at that too. Your picture is next to the word “loser” in the dictionary.
TAMARA

Edmond, OK

#38176 Apr 10, 2013
WarForOil wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, that's an issue for sure.
Being reported as a mental case for anorexia happens
to everyone. Imagine the disappointment when that
person is refused a gun to kill others.
I've seen Okies and few of them are anorexic.
You should be concerned if fat people are denied guns.
Been to Texas and have seen that in your state the majority are Porkers! So be concern for your own state. Because you will be more in the World of hurt than us here in Oklahoma!
Elohimsokie

Broken Bow, OK

#38177 Apr 10, 2013
TAMARA wrote:
<quoted text>It bewilders me that there people out there that still believe in him. You need to add two of his friends that are helping agreat deal to get alot of what he is doing done. Reid and Pelosi!
They want the first black (Muslem) president to be a success and are in denial of how bad he realy is.
Stephen

United States

#38178 Apr 10, 2013
Elohimsokie wrote:
<quoted text>They want the first black (Muslem) president to be a success and are in denial of how bad he realy is.
Maybe for the first 3 years you could lie to yourself but after 5 years of this and he proposed budget no one and I do mean no one can say he's anything but what those who refused to vote for him in the first place said he was. Obama is completely aware of what he is doing and he doing it with willful purpose and design. Tamara's right Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are working hand in hand with him and his liberal progressive agenda.

Taking more from Social Security which is taking from the elderly. Taking more in taxes from the middle class which has had additional harm done to them during the Obama administration. The exact opposite of what Obama's said he would do. ObamaCare sucks. HHS Sebelius said the fed wouldn't be ready for exchanges until 2016 when that was supposed to be operational in 2014. The fact of the matter is it doesn't work and will not work. Even a stupid liberal like Sebelius have discovered it won't work. The cost of private insurance has gone through the roof and it will go higher.
Obama is gutting small business and big business is moving out.

But Obama still plays golf constantly, his kids travel the most expensive places as does his wife and then last night he had a private concert with all the big wigs in the pop,hip hop music industry. Michelle having the time of her life.

But they can allow the White House Tours stopped because that had to be cut to the public. The people's house for the first time is no longer the people's house.

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