Altamonte Springs woman killed in mot...

Altamonte Springs woman killed in motorcycle crash

There are 46 comments on the Orlando Sentinel story from May 31, 2009, titled Altamonte Springs woman killed in motorcycle crash. In it, Orlando Sentinel reports that:

A 24-year-old Altamonte Springs woman was killed in a motorcycle accident early Sunday, Florida Highway Patrol said.

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Truth

Inman, SC

#3 May 31, 2009
ROCKWELL wrote:
of course the moron was not wearing a helmet. It might mess up her hair. was she stupid? YES! do I feel sorry for her? NO! she is now taking full responsibility for her actions withthe eternal dirt nap.
Do some research before you start running your mouth. Helmets offer protection up to 13.66 miles per hour, after that they do little to protect the head. This person most likely died from blunt force trauma to her BODY, No Helmet offers that kind of protection. You safety Nazi's believe helmets will save the world.
zippy

Maitland, FL

#4 May 31, 2009
"Barrios and the driver of the motorcycle, 24-year-old Jeffery Hill of Oviedo, were both thrown from the vehicle, Florida Highway Patrol said."

No one was "driving" the motorcycle as motorcycles have riders and passengers. Someone was in fact riding the motorcycle.
Helmets save lives

Orlando, FL

#6 May 31, 2009
Truth wrote:
<quoted text> Do some research before you start running your mouth. Helmets offer protection up to 13.66 miles per hour, after that they do little to protect the head.
Do some research yourself - that's total BS, and different helmets will offer different degrees of protection. Slide down the highway at 40 MPH on your face both with and without a helmet and tell me it doesn't make a difference. Also, the vast majority of motorcycle head injuries come from impact with the pavement as the rider falls from the bike, and the energy there is proportional to the height of the rider's head above the pavement, so a surprising large number of head injuries come from low-speed impacts anyway.

Go look up the results of the Hurt Report and the COST 327 study. The fact is, any helmet that can limit the impact to a person's head to less than 300 G's over a couple of milliseconds is going to make a measurable difference in the injuries they suffer. And go talk to some ER people and ask *them* what they think. They're the ones that have to deal with the aftermath of the irresponsibility of riding helmetless, along with the rest of us that end up paying increased insurance rates for their selfishness.
Not-Observer-Any more

Safety Harbor, FL

#8 May 31, 2009
The two people in this story didn't ask for your sympathy or "wise" post-accident advice.

You don't need legislation for helmets. All people are responsible for their actions. Give police officers less useless feel-good legislation to enforce and more tools to fight real violent offenders.

If you want to make a dent in insurance rates, then tell people to stop over-eating. Being overweight puts a far bigger burden on the medical/insurance business than motorcycle riders. Or, go after speeding SUV's, which have far greater consequences when they lose control than do motorcycles. Or, even better, quit trying to legislate everything and stop bailing out people who don't take care of themselves.

May the passenger's soul rest in peace, and may her family and friends find comfort in their time of sorrow.
Joe

Longwood, FL

#10 May 31, 2009
Truth wrote:
<quoted text> Do some research before you start running your mouth. Helmets offer protection up to 13.66 miles per hour, after that they do little to protect the head. This person most likely died from blunt force trauma to her BODY, No Helmet offers that kind of protection. You safety Nazi's believe helmets will save the world.
Whatever chance you have if you hit your head of not dying or winding up like a vegetable has to be much better if you're wearing a helmet.

Gee I wonder why Nascar drivers don't go without helmets since they offer so little protection.

You have to be the absolute stupidest person on the planet. Good Luck to you when your head hits the pavement.
Joe

Longwood, FL

#11 May 31, 2009
Not-Observer-Anymore wrote:
The two people in this story didn't ask for your sympathy or "wise" post-accident advice.
You don't need legislation for helmets. All people are responsible for their actions. Give police officers less useless feel-good legislation to enforce and more tools to fight real violent offenders.
If you want to make a dent in insurance rates, then tell people to stop over-eating. Being overweight puts a far bigger burden on the medical/insurance business than motorcycle riders. Or, go after speeding SUV's, which have far greater consequences when they lose control than do motorcycles. Or, even better, quit trying to legislate everything and stop bailing out people who don't take care of themselves.
May the passenger's soul rest in peace, and may her family and friends find comfort in their time of sorrow.
Really? Who pays the humungous hospital bill when they scrape the irrsponsible brain damagaed bike rider off the pavement? If they die it's over, if they're paralyzed it's years of misery for themselves and their families, not to mention untold medical bills for everyone else to have to help pay.

So, how are helmetless people who suffer brain injuries being held responsible for anything from a monetary standpoint of paying their medical expenses and long term care expenses?

Personally, it amazes me anyone could be that dumb but the problem is that society then has to foot the bill in many cases for their irresponsiblity.

Your argument makes no sense, if you get in an accident on a motorcycle unlike a car it's not even a question of IF you're going to be injured, it's a question of how bad.

A Helmet Kept Me Alive

Casselberry, FL

#12 May 31, 2009
I had an accident that threw me onto the pavement. The helmet cracked like an egg instead of my skull. I get a kick out of riders who don't think their skull or their life is worth the price of a helmet, but spend hundreds on t-shirts jeans and boots.
Mauna loa

Mesa, AZ

#14 May 31, 2009
Charges pending? What, being stupid riding a motorcycle. They let the Police give people in "Hummer" a seat belt violation ticket; however, you can ride a motorcycle with no helmet. Yeah right.

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them".
Harley Rider

Orlando, FL

#15 May 31, 2009
I saw a pic of the bike on the news...a crotch rocket!! But I knew that as soon as they said "speed involved".

Crotch rockets need to be banned!!! The overwhelming majority of the riders of these things are too immature to handle them and give all bikers a bad name!!
Thad

Oviedo, FL

#16 May 31, 2009
Unfortunately, for the victim, she was not wearing a helmet and may have survived if she had been. BTW...the motorcycle didn't just "leave the road", the idiot driving the cycle, left the road. How very sad that this young lady had to die in a totally preventable accident.
kizzy

Kissimmee, FL

#17 May 31, 2009
m/c riders not receiving any respect... maybe because.. to many ride like they are on drugs
Not-Observer-Any more

Safety Harbor, FL

#18 May 31, 2009
Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? Who pays the humungous hospital bill when they scrape the irrsponsible brain damagaed bike rider off the pavement? If they die it's over, if they're paralyzed it's years of misery for themselves and their families, not to mention untold medical bills for everyone else to have to help pay.
So, how are helmetless people who suffer brain injuries being held responsible for anything from a monetary standpoint of paying their medical expenses and long term care expenses?
Personally, it amazes me anyone could be that dumb but the problem is that society then has to foot the bill in many cases for their irresponsiblity.
Your argument makes no sense, if you get in an accident on a motorcycle unlike a car it's not even a question of IF you're going to be injured, it's a question of how bad.
I cannot laugh at this story, because my sympathies are with the family. But, to you, I LOL! How do you even know she had insurance or what the numbers are for the motorcyclists? Your statement alone shows your ignorance.

Google some data for once and you will see the preponderance of medical claims are head injuries suffered in 4-wheeled vehicles. Why don't you start wearing a helmet when you drive, hot shot, and then by your own logic you will be saving us all a lot of money.
Really

Orlando, FL

#19 May 31, 2009
First of all, calling Jenn a moron is a horrible thing. She should have been wearing a helmet and yes it could have helped save her life but that in no way gives you the right to call her a moron.
Second, don't call Jeff an idiot and don't say he's immature. You have no idea from the article about how the accident happened so you do not know about the circumstances.
Thirdly, they were not on drugs so don't assume they were.
All of you need to stop judging the two victims and assuming things about their lifestyle. They were boath amazing people.
Anonymous

Lake Monroe, FL

#20 May 31, 2009
This person who was "scraped off the pavement" was a human being.

Those of who know the victim, those of us who are mourning, those of us whose eyes are burning because we have spent the entire day crying, we are the ones who see this.

Jenn Barrios was very much loved by her friends for being a free, gentle spirit. There are people right now who are hurting very badly and do not need to be reading this garbage right now.

Have some compassion.
Truth

Inman, SC

#21 May 31, 2009
Helmets save lives wrote:
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Do some research yourself - that's total BS, and different helmets will offer different degrees of protection. Slide down the highway at 40 MPH on your face both with and without a helmet and tell me it doesn't make a difference. Also, the vast majority of motorcycle head injuries come from impact with the pavement as the rider falls from the bike, and the energy there is proportional to the height of the rider's head above the pavement, so a surprising large number of head injuries come from low-speed impacts anyway.
Go look up the results of the Hurt Report and the COST 327 study. The fact is, any helmet that can limit the impact to a person's head to less than 300 G's over a couple of milliseconds is going to make a measurable difference in the injuries they suffer. And go talk to some ER people and ask *them* what they think. They're the ones that have to deal with the aftermath of the irresponsibility of riding helmetless, along with the rest of us that end up paying increased insurance rates for their selfishness.
Have you ever read the warning label inside of a helmet? It states to REPLACE the helmet if it's dropped. Are you going to trust something that fragile? All the helmet safety "facts" are hype. Helmets will also cause a broken neck, but lets not talk about the damage they do.
Truth

Inman, SC

#22 May 31, 2009
Joe wrote:
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Whatever chance you have if you hit your head of not dying or winding up like a vegetable has to be much better if you're wearing a helmet.
Gee I wonder why Nascar drivers don't go without helmets since they offer so little protection.
You have to be the absolute stupidest person on the planet. Good Luck to you when your head hits the pavement.
Can this be true? Is it possible that helmets don't work? Go to a motorcycle shop and examine a Department of Transportation-approved helmet. Look deep into its comforting plush lining, and hidden amidst the soft fuzz you'll find a warning label: "Some reasonably foreseeable impacts may exceed the helmet's capability to protect against severe injury or death."

What is a "reasonably foreseeable" impact? Any impact around 14 miles per hour or greater. Motorcycle helmets are tested by being dropped on an anvil from a height of six feet, the equivalent of a 13.66-mph impact. If you ride at speeds less than 14 mph and are involved only in accidents involving stationary objects, you're golden. A typical motorcycle accident, however, would be a biker traveling at, say, 30 mph, and being struck by a car making a left turn at, maybe, 15 mph. That's an effective cumulative impact of 45 mph. Assume the biker is helmet-clad, and that he is struck directly on the head. The helmet reduces the blow to an impact of 31.34 mph. Still enough to kill him. The collisions that helmets cushion effectively--say, seven-mph motorcycles with seven-mph cars--are not only rare but eminently avoidable.

Another reason helmets don't work: An object breaks at its weakest point. Some helmet advocates argue that while helmets may not reduce the overall death rate, they prevent death due to head trauma. Jonathan Goldstein, a professor of economics at Bowdoin College, in Brunswick, Maine, wondered how this could be. If fatal head traumas were decreasing, then some other kind of fatal injury must be rising to make up the difference. Applying his expertise in econometrics to those aforementioned CDC statistics, Goldstein discovered what was happening. In helmet-law states, there exists a reciprocal relationship between death due to head trauma and death due to neck injury. That is, a four-pound helmet might save the head, but the force is then transferred to the neck. Goldstein found that helmets begin to increase one's chances of a fatal neck injury at speeds exceeding 13-mph, about the same impact at which helmets can no longer soak up kinetic energy. For this reason, Dr. Charles Campbell, a Chicago heart surgeon who performs more than 300 operations per year and rides his dark-violet, chopped Harley Softail to work at Michael Reese Hospital, refuses to wear a helmet. "Your head may be saved," says Dr. Campbell, "but your neck will be broken."
Anon

Lake Monroe, FL

#23 May 31, 2009
The victim died of major internal injuries.
A helmet was not going to help.
helmets

Oviedo, FL

#24 May 31, 2009
there was a bikers party at westmoreland and 50. I hope they were talking about the many crashes around town. most of the rider had no helmet.
RIP my friend SMOKE 5/17/09
Mongo Of The Eternal High

Kansas City, MO

#26 Jun 1, 2009
Darwin.
Witness to accident

Largo, FL

#27 Jun 1, 2009
Wow... after reading the comments about this accident, I am shocked about how callous some people are !!! I was one of the people who stopped and called 911. I can still close my eyes and see her body lying on the ground. It was horrible. This is a human being who loss her life. Someone's daughter !! Instead of judging her and throwing around statistics, what about some empathy. Can each of you say that you have never made a bad decision in your life ???? I pray for her family and friends who loss her.

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