Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils ...

Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws

There are 9850 comments on the Bloomberg story from Mar 20, 2012, titled Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws. In it, Bloomberg reports that:

The Justice Department opened an investigation this week into the killing of Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old high school student who was shot dead on Feb.

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“always”

Since: May 12

Ticklaw

#5408 Jul 2, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> There you go again wanting proof of a non action. How do you prove something that does not exist? You claim he detained Tayvon so you prove it. Once again, advice is not legally binding. Had Tryvon been armed and jumped George and killed him the dispatcher had covered her butt.
There were not two lie detector tests only a quickie voice stress analysis test which the FBI expert says is pretty much worthless. Go find the USA Today piece and read "the entire article" carefully.

Your either real stupid or real lazy, I don't like wasting my time with those sorts of folks.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#5409 Jul 2, 2012
swampmudd wrote:
<quoted text>Advice? It was a request politely stated. When you say to a child, "please stop doing that" Is it advice or is it request to stop doing what they are doing.
You are incorrect.
The words were "you do not need to do that".
The words were NOT "please stop doing that."

The first is advice that leaves open the choice to the individual getting the advice.
The second is a request.

See the difference?

“always”

Since: May 12

Ticklaw

#5410 Jul 2, 2012
Word on the street is that Judge Lester will be releasing Zimmerman later this afternoon, no word on the bail amount.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#5411 Jul 2, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
<quoted text>
Why take issue with his RuffnReddy’s race? I can understand taking issue with what he posts.
I don't know if he's black or not, either way I don't care.
I have no issue with his race , per se.

I dislike Jews who scream about the Nazis yet are for gun control.

I dislike Blacks who scream about prejudice yet are racist.

America , even though we had slaves and tried to kill off the tribes and put US citizens in concentration camps, was still meant for all people .

United we stand , divided we fall.

Since: May 08

Deltona Fla

#5412 Jul 2, 2012
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
You are incorrect.
The words were "you do not need to do that".
The words were NOT "please stop doing that."
The first is advice that leaves open the choice to the individual getting the advice.
The second is a request.
See the difference?
It is an indication that he police did not want him to do what he was doing. Zimmerman even acknowledge OK to it but kept right on. If Zimmerman’s defense is that it was not a direct order and therefore he should have kept perusing Martin then he is totally screwed. That is the complete opposite of his claim that Martin came after him. All you ten cent lawyers who only to argue semantics seem to keep over looking that. If he stopped pursuing then the question of whether it was an order, a request, or a suggestion is academic and irrelevant. If he did not stop pursuing then his claim of self defense is out the window. You can’t have it both ways.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#5413 Jul 2, 2012
swampmudd wrote:
<quoted text>It is an indication that he police did not want him to do what he was doing. Zimmerman even acknowledge OK to it but kept right on. If Zimmerman’s defense is that it was not a direct order and therefore he should have kept perusing Martin then he is totally screwed. That is the complete opposite of his claim that Martin came after him. All you ten cent lawyers who only to argue semantics seem to keep over looking that. If he stopped pursuing then the question of whether it was an order, a request, or a suggestion is academic and irrelevant. If he did not stop pursuing then his claim of self defense is out the window. You can’t have it both ways.
Completely wrong.

An officer of the law can give you an order to stop and hold your position , backed up by penalty if need be.

A civilian can not.

If you want to live in a land of law and order this is anything but semantics.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#5414 Jul 2, 2012
swampmudd wrote:
<quoted text>It is an indication that he police did not want him to do what he was doing. Zimmerman even acknowledge OK to it but kept right on. If Zimmerman’s defense is that it was not a direct order and therefore he should have kept perusing Martin then he is totally screwed. That is the complete opposite of his claim that Martin came after him. All you ten cent lawyers who only to argue semantics seem to keep over looking that. If he stopped pursuing then the question of whether it was an order, a request, or a suggestion is academic and irrelevant. If he did not stop pursuing then his claim of self defense is out the window. You can’t have it both ways.
Not overlooking a thing. It does not matter if it was a "request", a "directive", an "order", and "indication", or simple advice.
None of that has one damn thing to do with who initated the physical attack on the other, and ALL the physical evidence says that St. Tray was the one who started the physical altercation.

Since: May 08

Deltona Fla

#5415 Jul 2, 2012
Aquarius-WY wrote:
<quoted text>
Not overlooking a thing. It does not matter if it was a "request", a "directive", an "order", and "indication", or simple advice.
None of that has one damn thing to do with who initated the physical attack on the other, and ALL the physical evidence says that St. Tray was the one who started the physical altercation.
There is no evidence who actually threw the first punch. However there is plenty of evidence that Zimmerman was pursuing Martin and therefore caused the confrontation by his own actions. My own openion is that it was a police order to stay where he was. However all the Zimmerheads seem to want to deny that as if that would justify Zimmerman continueing to pursue. They want to argue whether it was a legal order.
Tray

Pontotoc, MS

#5416 Jul 2, 2012
swampmudd wrote:
<quoted text>There is no evidence who actually threw the first punch. However there is plenty of evidence that Zimmerman was pursuing Martin and therefore caused the confrontation by his own actions. My own openion is that it was a police order to stay where he was. However all the Zimmerheads seem to want to deny that as if that would justify Zimmerman continueing to pursue. They want to argue whether it was a legal order.
Then why is he not charged with disobeying a lawful order from a police officer? 1 It was not a lawful order. 2 It was not by a police officer. You are right about one thing, no evidence of who threw the first punch without which the state has no case since following is not a crime.
Tray

Pontotoc, MS

#5417 Jul 2, 2012
swampmudd wrote:
<quoted text>It is an indication that he police did not want him to do what he was doing. Zimmerman even acknowledge OK to it but kept right on. If Zimmerman’s defense is that it was not a direct order and therefore he should have kept perusing Martin then he is totally screwed. That is the complete opposite of his claim that Martin came after him. All you ten cent lawyers who only to argue semantics seem to keep over looking that. If he stopped pursuing then the question of whether it was an order, a request, or a suggestion is academic and irrelevant. If he did not stop pursuing then his claim of self defense is out the window. You can’t have it both ways.
If you are in a public area and happen to be going the same way as someone else or even following they can not turn and beat you. Self defense requires threat of death or great bodily harm. Please show your evidence Trayvon believed that.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#5418 Jul 2, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> If you are in a public area and happen to be going the same way as someone else or even following they can not turn and beat you. Self defense requires threat of death or great bodily harm. Please show your evidence Trayvon believed that.
How do you know who belived what ?

“always”

Since: May 12

Ticklaw

#5419 Jul 2, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>How do you know who belived what ?
You have to think yourself through what might have happened and in this case it's not all that difficult.

Trayvon actually called his dad to let him know/get permission to go to the 7/11, at least that has been reported and if so it will show in the cell phone records.

When the deceased youth was searched by police at the scene, he had an Arizona drink, Skittles, his cell phone and ear piece, some amount of cash between $20 and $40 and it was mentioned somewhere that he may have had a disposable lighter.

It was 7PM on a Sunday evening.

So there's good starting point.

Then you can try to think your way through what George was doing beginning with that he was headed over to the nearby Target store when he noticed Trayvon.

Factor in that Trayvon was a just turned 17 year old in somewhat strange surroundings and that George is a 28 year old who has lived at The Retreat for nearly three years and is involved in the neighborhood watch program.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#5420 Jul 2, 2012
swampmudd wrote:
<quoted text>There is no evidence who actually threw the first punch. However there is plenty of evidence that Zimmerman was pursuing Martin and therefore caused the confrontation by his own actions. My own openion is that it was a police order to stay where he was. However all the Zimmerheads seem to want to deny that as if that would justify Zimmerman continueing to pursue. They want to argue whether it was a legal order.
The words were "you do not need to do that".
The words were NOT "please stop doing that."

The first is advice that leaves open the choice to the individual getting the advice.
The second is a request ... or an order.

See the difference?

The truth is that it is in fact >you< who wants to argue a nonpoint in that regard. It was NOT an order of any kind, type or authority.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#5421 Jul 2, 2012
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>You have to think yourself through what might have happened and in this case it's not all that difficult.
Trayvon actually called his dad to let him know/get permission to go to the 7/11, at least that has been reported and if so it will show in the cell phone records.
When the deceased youth was searched by police at the scene, he had an Arizona drink, Skittles, his cell phone and ear piece, some amount of cash between $20 and $40 and it was mentioned somewhere that he may have had a disposable lighter.
It was 7PM on a Sunday evening.
So there's good starting point.
Then you can try to think your way through what George was doing beginning with that he was headed over to the nearby Target store when he noticed Trayvon.
Factor in that Trayvon was a just turned 17 year old in somewhat strange surroundings and that George is a 28 year old who has lived at The Retreat for nearly three years and is involved in the neighborhood watch program.
What the sam hell does ANY of that have to do with the price of tea in China?

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#5422 Jul 2, 2012
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>If you'll reread the post it says that George avoided introducing himself in two lighted areas.
And remember that George drove past Trayvon when he first spotted him. George drove the hundreds of feet to the lighted clubhouse and called LE for apparently no reason other than seeing a black man in front of his buddy Frank's home.
So what does Trayvon do? He continues walking along Retreat View Cir and right past George then turns down Twin Trees Ln. on his way to the Green residence. BTW that entire corner is lighted and there is said to be surveillance video that was retrieved from the management company.
This strange, suspicious, looks like he's up to no good goon, walked within 20 feet of Georges vehicle in a well lighted area and George failed to introduce himself as security, ask if he could help the stranger in any way, if he was staying there etc.
I read what the twenty three year veteran SA wrote. It's bullsht, Governor Scott and Attorney General asked him to recuse himself and of course he did because he screwed up big time and the case couldn't go forward with him in charge. Easy deal pal!
George says he got out of his car to look for street names. Three streets in his development where he has lived for three years and in which he roams around as neighborhood watch.

How does he not know the names of his three streets? That is bizarre.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#5423 Jul 2, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Then why is he not charged with disobeying a lawful order from a police officer? 1 It was not a lawful order. 2 It was not by a police officer. You are right about one thing, no evidence of who threw the first punch without which the state has no case since following is not a crime.
He has not been charged with perjury either...yet.

“O'er the land of the free ? ”

Since: Jan 09

Don't Tread On Me

#5424 Jul 2, 2012
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>You have to think yourself through what might have happened and in this case it's not all that difficult.
Trayvon actually called his dad to let him know/get permission to go to the 7/11, at least that has been reported and if so it will show in the cell phone records.
When the deceased youth was searched by police at the scene, he had an Arizona drink, Skittles, his cell phone and ear piece, some amount of cash between $20 and $40 and it was mentioned somewhere that he may have had a disposable lighter.
It was 7PM on a Sunday evening.
So there's good starting point.
Then you can try to think your way through what George was doing beginning with that he was headed over to the nearby Target store when he noticed Trayvon.
Factor in that Trayvon was a just turned 17 year old in somewhat strange surroundings and that George is a 28 year old who has lived at The Retreat for nearly three years and is involved in the neighborhood watch program.
17 years old and did not want to dial 911 , now that makes you think.

“always”

Since: May 12

Ticklaw

#5425 Jul 2, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>17 years old and did not want to dial 911 , now that makes you think.
Quick story OK?

You may remember the Anthony case, most persons who post on topix or anywhere know about that case.

The evening that Cindy finally caught up with Casey the two went to a Orlando Police substation only to find it closed so Cindy dialed 911 from the parking lot there.

The 911 dispatch asked Cindy where she lived and then told her to go home...redial 911 in order to get connected with the proper authorities...the Orange County Sheriffs Office.

Suddenly a hundred or more threads/forums came to a screeching halt because almost no one actually understood how 911 actually
works.

George knew how it works and at some point began calling the non-emergency number to avoid the hassle.

Trayvon had a 305 # and had he dialed 911 the Seminole County 911 dispatcher, not Sanford, would have received the call and immediately asked him where he was calling from. Did Trayvon know precisely where he was at? George was unsure were he was at correct?

Same with DeeDee calling 911 which would have connected her to a SoFla dispatch...what would she tell the operator?

This is rudimentary stuff if you ask me...if most adults don't understand how is some kid supposed to know?

“always”

Since: May 12

Ticklaw

#5426 Jul 2, 2012
OK, it wasn't a quick story.

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

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#5427 Jul 2, 2012
RuffnReddy wrote:
OK, it wasn't a quick story.
Nor was it relevant or contain a single point that applies to this case.

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