Mormons: We are Christians, too

[crusty]

flippin dog wrote:

i'm sorry but mormons get made fun of soo much well how would people like it if i were to made fun of baptists? how about cathalicks? people can spell mormon moron well i don't care i love my church i love the people in it i know god has a plan for me and if you all don't like it then just stay in your church for all i care matter of fact my mother was a baptist and she joined the mormon church cause of my father however i still like the baptists

Howmuc for a pair of XXL undies for my aging Fijian gramps...he's got agrandson who would love to convert and come play football w/ all the white boys at the brigham U

[15th Dalai Lama]

blackbirdxx wrote:

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That must be that planet, Kolob..they look soooo happy!
But i guess the real question is..........
What were you doing ridding the same path as the bicycle brothers!:)

I ride that trail several times a week. That was the first time I ever saw mormons there. Beats the crap out of me why they feel compelled to proselytize in Albuquerque.
I engage them when I find them. They want to lead me to the knowledge of Jesus and I want to know about the hat full of rocks.
One thing I have noticed about mormons is that one's daddy buys him a much nicer bike that the other's but these two are both riding K-Mart specials.

[Rhyno]

saviorself wrote:

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He spoke it clear as day, that's why you read what He taught (or you could, if you were so inclined to do so) now. The Bible has been translated into more than 3000 languages to date, and now less than 5% of the entire population of the earth has read the story of the Lambs sacrifice in their native tongue. I had you pegged for being more learned, was I mistaken?

Yeah, His words have been translated into English. But he didn't actually speak English while walking around Israel did he?
I'm quite a gracious person, but what you said was just plain dumb.

[saviorself]

Rhyno wrote:

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Yeah, His words have been translated into English. But he didn't actually speak English while walking around Israel did he?
I'm quite a gracious person, but what you said was just plain dumb.

and you have never heard the phrase "Jesus was in the trade" chanted by Welsh miners (soon-to-be extinguished Druids, by-and-large) who believe that Jesus spent time amongst them learning to mine silver.

[saviorself]

Rhyno wrote:

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Yeah, His words have been translated into English. But he didn't actually speak English while walking around Israel did he?
I'm quite a gracious person, but what you said was just plain dumb.

He did'nt just walk around Israel, either. He spent a great deal of His life living in Egypt, trading in Drachma, speaking Greek and Egyptian... real pitiful capacity for learning different languages, huh?

[Rhyno]

saviorself wrote:

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and you have never heard the phrase "Jesus was in the trade" chanted by Welsh miners (soon-to-be extinguished Druids, by-and-large) who believe that Jesus spent time amongst them learning to mine silver.

Now you're just talking garbage

[Rhyno]

saviorself wrote:

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He did'nt just walk around Israel, either. He spent a great deal of His life living in Egypt, trading in Drachma, speaking Greek and Egyptian... real pitiful capacity for learning different languages, huh?

Never said he couldn't learn English. Said he didn't speak it. You really are a couple of cans short of a 6 pack

[Howie in Holland]

Rhyno wrote:

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Never said he couldn't learn English. Said he didn't speak it. You really are a couple of cans short of a 6 pack

Speaking of 6 pack, they still have XXX Bitters?

[Hannah Rebekah]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

PPandF said "Wagon train of 'Southern Baptists'- Lie #1 - the article you point out said most of the victims were Methodists
..."
why you are absolutely right! It was my mistake!
But isn't calling me a liar a bit extreme? You must be a mormon!
Well so what you are saying is it was ok for Brigham Young's men to murder these people because they were methodists and I was trying to trick people into thinking that Brigham Young's people were attacking Southern Baptists?
You people are disgusting.

And you are disgusting....how about you scream about the massacre at Sand Creek not long after that perpetrated by a Methodist minister. Are you to blame all Methodists because of the evil acts of this man and his men?
You try to convict all Mormons for the evil acts of those who were part of the horrible event. That makes you just as evil as they were IMO.

[Pahoran]

Hannah Rebekah wrote:

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And you are disgusting....how about you scream about the massacre at Sand Creek not long after that perpetrated by a Methodist minister. Are you to blame all Methodists because of the evil acts of this man and his men?
You try to convict all Mormons for the evil acts of those who were part of the horrible event. That makes you just as evil as they were IMO.

Which reminds me of something that happened after the event. A US Army officer named Carleton went to the massacre site, reburied some of the remains, and put up a marker. His inscription rather pointedly mentioned "revenge," and as such it was a not-so-subtle threat of retribution; something the haters never mention when they gleefully recite apocryphal stories of what Brigham may or may not have said in response.

Carleton made it clear what he meant by his inscription when he said that, because of a crime committed by an isolated group of forty or fifty Mormons, the *entire Mormon population* should be disposessed of their land and made "children of the mist," i.e. exterminated.

But don't hold your breath waiting for Smurf, or any of the other haters, to condemn *that* bit of insanity; because it is insanity that they *enthusiastically* share.

Regards,
Pahoran

[Hannah Rebekah]

Rhyno wrote:

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Now you're just talking garbage

Actually Rhyno he really is talking truth. There are some that believe the virgin Mary was brought up in Britain. Israel had territories in Ireland and Britain and Joseph of Arimathea was considered by some to be the brother to the virgin Mary or an uncle. He had holdings in Britain and mining interests there. There are legends that the young Jesus traveled to Britain to the the area where the Welsh mines are and they memorialize that in songs.
Joseph of Arimathea had a daughter who married into what would become Britain's royal line that many of the kings of England came through fulfilling the prophesy to King David that there would always be someone on the throne of his seed. The same thing happened with the high Kings of Ireland. Tea Tamar the daughter of King Zedekiah escaped with the Prophet Jeremiah and she was taken with her sister and Tea Tamar married a royal prince of the line of "scarlet thread." That is why Ireland has a red hand on their flag. Tea Tamar was of the line of Pharez and the prince she married was of the line of Zarah. This union healed a breach that happened at the time of birth of those royal twins.
You may want to check out the legends before you scoff at what someone is trying to convey to you. In its most developed version, Joseph, a tin merchant, visited Cornwall, accompanied by his nephew, the boy Jesus. C.C. Dobson made a case for the authenticity of the Glastonbury legenda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Arimat...
1434 BC Heremon crowned King of Ireland (He was descended from Zarah, Judah’s twin son, symbol red hand. Scarlett cord + Star of David still in Ulster’s flag. Gen 38:27.)
Jeremiah also brought the 'stone of destiny' that was the stone that Jacob had slept on and had the dream of the ladder to heaven. That stone has been used for the coronation of Kings and Queens down through the ages. Scotland had it and then it was stolen by a British King and just recently given back to Scotland. Scotland also has royal bloodlines that go back through King David.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_of_Scone

[Hannah Rebekah]

Pahoran wrote:

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Which reminds me of something that happened after the event. A US Army officer named Carleton went to the massacre site, reburied some of the remains, and put up a marker. His inscription rather pointedly mentioned "revenge," and as such it was a not-so-subtle threat of retribution; something the haters never mention when they gleefully recite apocryphal stories of what Brigham may or may not have said in response.
Carleton made it clear what he meant by his inscription when he said that, because of a crime committed by an isolated group of forty or fifty Mormons, the *entire Mormon population* should be disposessed of their land and made "children of the mist," i.e. exterminated.
But don't hold your breath waiting for Smurf, or any of the other haters, to condemn *that* bit of insanity; because it is insanity that they *enthusiastically* share.
Regards,
Pahoran

Wow....its amazing how those opposed against the Church would love the destruction of the Mormons. Granted those Mormons who were part of MMM did unspeakable acts. But to convict ALL Mormons is wrong. It's over and done and what could be done has been done and God will take care of the rest as all can be sure to met out the most righteous judgment. Fast forward to today....I can just feel the jaws of hell as they pronounce their hellish designs to try to overthrow this people still and will use despicable and un-Christian ways to pronounce Mormons evil. I love what Brigham Young said:

"If you let us alone, we will do it a little more leisurely;
but if you persecute us, we will sit up nights to preach the gospel."
--Brigham Young

"Every time they persecute and try to overcome this people, they elevate us, weaken their own hands, and strengthen the hands and arms of this people. And every time they undertake to lessen our number, they increase it."
--Brigham Young

“It is light, intelligence, the power of God that make the wicked tremble and wish 'Mormonism' out of the way. If it were a false doctrine or a false theory, the Devil would not endeavor to disturb it, wicked men would not fear it, Heaven would not smile upon it, nor give a revelation to any man or woman to believe it, and we should have poor success; and Heaven forbid that we should have success or gain influence upon any other principle than the revelations of Jesus Christ.”
-- Brigham Young

The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done.
--Joseph Smith

[Hannah Rebekah]

The Lost Years of Jesus

Years ago ancient documents were purportedly discovered in Tibet indicating Jesus may have visited Persia, India Nepal and Tibet during the ages of 13 to 29. These pages examine this thought more closely.

And so where was Jesus during the time he 13-29 years old? There are various stories floating around, most of which can be easily located somewhere on the Internet (search using keywords "lost years of jesus" or click here).

1. He was living quietly somewhere in Israel with Joseph, his stepfather and his mother, Mary. Presumably he was a carpenter assisting his stepfather, Joseph. He emerged from this private solitude as the Messiah and drew the love of the crowd, the ire of the San Hedrian and Rome and went on to launch a major world religion.
2. He journeyed through Persia, India and Tibet, to learn and study from the great masters there, to exceed them and finally return to Israel as its Messiah.
3. He went to England and studied the great knowledge of the Druids.
4. He went to Egypt and unlocked the secret of the Pyramids, and/or to Greece and studied with the great philosophers dwelling there at that interval.
5. He went to Japan and lived and died there instead. In the meantime, a twin brother took his place as the Messiah of Israel and was crucified..

And so in greater detail, let us examine these possibilities.
http://www.steamchip.com/page001.html

[Grandpasmurf952]

Pahoran said "Which reminds me of something that happened after the event. A US Army officer named Carleton went to the massacre site, reburied some of the remains, and put up a marker. His inscription rather pointedly mentioned "revenge," and as such it was a not-so-subtle threat of retribution; something the haters never mention when they gleefully recite apocryphal stories of what Brigham may or may not have said in response.

Carleton made it clear what he meant by his inscription when he said that, because of a crime committed by an isolated group of forty or fifty Mormons, the *entire Mormon population* should be disposessed of their land and made "children of the mist," i.e. exterminated."

this is the subtle type of misinformation that we have to watch for in the deceitful tactics used by mormons including outright lies and defamation of charecter as illustrated about the lie told about a United States Military Officer.

Here is an account of what actually transpired and what was actually put on the cairn.:

http://1857massacre.com/MMM/brigham_young_des...

what is troubling is that the mormons continue to lie and deflect blame even today when their lies can be exposed so quickly with world wide information research at the fingtertips of all of us.

In an individual case this would be considered pathological lying.

What makes it even more troubling is they are willing to call U. S. Soldiers liars in an attempt to deflect blame!

This indifference to human suffering is still seen today in the organization in their homophobic persecution of people of other faiths in their attempt to control!

This group really does need to be watched!

[Rhyno]

Howie in Holland wrote:

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Speaking of 6 pack, they still have XXX Bitters?

XXXX, yeah. Don't like it though

[Rhyno]

Hannah Rebekah wrote:

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Actually Rhyno he really is talking truth. There are some that believe the virgin Mary was brought up in Britain. Israel had territories in Ireland and Britain and Joseph of Arimathea was considered by some to be the brother to the virgin Mary or an uncle. He had holdings in Britain and mining interests there. There are legends that the young Jesus traveled to Britain to the the area where the Welsh mines are and they memorialize that in songs.
Joseph of Arimathea had a daughter who married into what would become Britain's royal line that many of the kings of England came through fulfilling the prophesy to King David that there would always be someone on the throne of his seed. The same thing happened with the high Kings of Ireland. Tea Tamar the daughter of King Zedekiah escaped with the Prophet Jeremiah and she was taken with her sister and Tea Tamar married a royal prince of the line of "scarlet thread." That is why Ireland has a red hand on their flag. Tea Tamar was of the line of Pharez and the prince she married was of the line of Zarah. This union healed a breach that happened at the time of birth of those royal twins.
You may want to check out the legends before you scoff at what someone is trying to convey to you. In its most developed version, Joseph, a tin merchant, visited Cornwall, accompanied by his nephew, the boy Jesus. C.C. Dobson made a case for the authenticity of the Glastonbury legenda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Arimat...
1434 BC Heremon crowned King of Ireland (He was descended from Zarah, Judah’s twin son, symbol red hand. Scarlett cord + Star of David still in Ulster’s flag. Gen 38:27.)
Jeremiah also brought the 'stone of destiny' that was the stone that Jacob had slept on and had the dream of the ladder to heaven. That stone has been used for the coronation of Kings and Queens down through the ages. Scotland had it and then it was stolen by a British King and just recently given back to Scotland. Scotland also has royal bloodlines that go back through King David.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_of_Scone

Don;t tell me you joined the labotamy club too?

[concerned in Brasil]

Hannah Rebekah wrote:

The Lost Years of Jesus
Years ago ancient documents were purportedly discovered in Tibet indicating Jesus may have visited Persia, India Nepal and Tibet during the ages of 13 to 29. These pages examine this thought more closely.
And so where was Jesus during the time he 13-29 years old? There are various stories floating around, most of which can be easily located somewhere on the Internet (search using keywords "lost years of jesus" or click here).
1. He was living quietly somewhere in Israel with Joseph, his stepfather and his mother, Mary. Presumably he was a carpenter assisting his stepfather, Joseph. He emerged from this private solitude as the Messiah and drew the love of the crowd, the ire of the San Hedrian and Rome and went on to launch a major world religion.
2. He journeyed through Persia, India and Tibet, to learn and study from the great masters there, to exceed them and finally return to Israel as its Messiah.
3. He went to England and studied the great knowledge of the Druids.
4. He went to Egypt and unlocked the secret of the Pyramids, and/or to Greece and studied with the great philosophers dwelling there at that interval.
5. He went to Japan and lived and died there instead. In the meantime, a twin brother took his place as the Messiah of Israel and was crucified..
And so in greater detail, let us examine these possibilities.
http://www.steamchip.com/page001.html

Once agian Non factual non historical anti truth nonesense posted by Hannah as she can in know way with factual hitorical verfiable biblical evidence show LDS and Moromns are Christians.

Once again its the rabbit trail and miss direction.

One must seriously consider the LDS faith to be true when its adheerhents constantly use these type of tactics.

Mormons are not Christians and Hannah's lack of defence once again shows this to be True.

[concerned in Brasil]

Hannah Rebekah wrote:

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And you are disgusting....how about you scream about the massacre at Sand Creek not long after that perpetrated by a Methodist minister. Are you to blame all Methodists because of the evil acts of this man and his men?
You try to convict all Mormons for the evil acts of those who were part of the horrible event. That makes you just as evil as they were IMO.

What you again fail to understand is a Man such as B.Y. claimed to be a Prophet of God the methodist pastor did not.

But once again context excapes you, or once again you ignore it.

Your fear to admit the truth comes out in your posts Hannah you are fooling know one other than yourself.

Blessings

[Dagobert II]

Hannah Rebekah wrote:

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Actually Rhyno he really is talking truth. There are some that believe the virgin Mary was brought up in Britain. Israel had territories in Ireland and Britain and Joseph of Arimathea was considered by some to be the brother to the virgin Mary or an uncle. He had holdings in Britain and mining interests there. There are legends that the young Jesus traveled to Britain to the the area where the Welsh mines are and they memorialize that in songs.
Joseph of Arimathea had a daughter who married into what would become Britain's royal line that many of the kings of England came through fulfilling the prophesy to King David that there would always be someone on the throne of his seed. The same thing happened with the high Kings of Ireland. Tea Tamar the daughter of King Zedekiah escaped with the Prophet Jeremiah and she was taken with her sister and Tea Tamar married a royal prince of the line of "scarlet thread." That is why Ireland has a red hand on their flag. Tea Tamar was of the line of Pharez and the prince she married was of the line of Zarah. This union healed a breach that happened at the time of birth of those royal twins.
You may want to check out the legends before you scoff at what someone is trying to convey to you. In its most developed version, Joseph, a tin merchant, visited Cornwall, accompanied by his nephew, the boy Jesus. C.C. Dobson made a case for the authenticity of the Glastonbury legenda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_of_Arimat...
1434 BC Heremon crowned King of Ireland (He was descended from Zarah, Judah’s twin son, symbol red hand. Scarlett cord + Star of David still in Ulster’s flag. Gen 38:27.)
Jeremiah also brought the 'stone of destiny' that was the stone that Jacob had slept on and had the dream of the ladder to heaven. That stone has been used for the coronation of Kings and Queens down through the ages. Scotland had it and then it was stolen by a British King and just recently given back to Scotland. Scotland also has royal bloodlines that go back through King David.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_of_Scone

All of that is fascinating theory which IS relevant to the discussion at hand given that Joseph Smith Jr.'s geneology, if Mormon Church geneology is correct, can be traced to the Merovingian dynasty and the Merovingians were one of those dynasties that claimed Desposynic descent, or descent from 'Jesus', the Quinataur or 'fish man' who allegedly impregnated the mother of Merovee.

Of course this theory can get very interesting if one follows the Desposynic bloodline, as Laurence Gardner claims to have, back through the royal bloodlines of Europe, through 'Jesus', past Israel, Egypt and Sumer to what Gardner claims was the Genesis of the Grail Kings. http://www.graal.co.uk/genesislecture.html

I sometimes wonder if the grail bloodline isn't what Mormon geneology is REALLY about. Who is the rightful messiah? Might it be King Yosef Dayan? http://www.jewishwhistleblower.blogspot.com/2...
Some Mormons might think so. They call themselves David's Outcasts. http://www.greaterthings.com/OpenForum/Davids...

[Pahoran]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Pahoran said "Which reminds me of something that happened after the event. A US Army officer named Carleton went to the massacre site, reburied some of the remains, and put up a marker. His inscription rather pointedly mentioned "revenge," and as such it was a not-so-subtle threat of retribution; something the haters never mention when they gleefully recite apocryphal stories of what Brigham may or may not have said in response.
Carleton made it clear what he meant by his inscription when he said that, because of a crime committed by an isolated group of forty or fifty Mormons, the *entire Mormon population* should be disposessed of their land and made "children of the mist," i.e. exterminated."
this is the subtle type of misinformation that we have to watch for in the deceitful tactics used by mormons including outright lies and defamation of charecter as illustrated about the lie told about a United States Military Officer.

What lie?

Did Carleton, or did he not, write an inscription threatening vengeance on the monument?

Did he, or did he not, recommend the extermination of the Latter-day Saints?

Why yes; he did.

Sending a message to the Saints, Calreton raised a "rude" cross over the grave. The inscription read, "Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." The Saints were white people, but Captain Carleton had broken through his racial barrier against killing renegade Anglos. His recommendation was that the federal government exterminate the Mormons: "Give them one year, no more; and if after that they pollute our soil by their presence make literally Children of the Mist of them."

From Durwood Ball,_Army Regulars on the Western Frontier, 1848-1861_.

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Here is an account of what actually transpired and what was actually put on the cairn.

And even this vitriolic anti-Mormon site -- one you inevitably go to because anything approaching neutrality fails to fan the flames of hatred enough for your liking -- does not contradict anything I said.

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

This group really does need to be watched!

That's what demagogues always say about their targets.

Regards,
Pahoran