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Eric
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"Some of the causes were identified at workshops on segregation, underfunding of social service departments and child care agencies, and lack of affordable housing, health care, jobs that pay a living wage and public transportation."
Jobs that pay a living wage? Minimum wage would be a living wage if things weren't so goddamn expensive here! By the way, the cost of living is so high because of the ridiculous amount of taxes going to schools and public funding programs like welfare and disability. How about attacking the root causes like welfare fraud? I can't tell you how many times I used to see people come in to my old job showing two different NY Benefit ID cards as proof of identity with two different last names on them...one in their maiden name and one in their married, hyphenated last name. These POS' are doubling their income at my expense, and nobody's retroactively reviewing these records to detect fraud...so it continues at the taxpayer's expense. Until you FIX the problem, you're just increasing the amount of money available to be swindled from the pot. Sounds like a more reasonable solution to me than increasing the amount of money going toward these government handouts!
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Southbound
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Would I be out of line if I expected the poor to try to help themselves?
Oh, and Newsday and the rest of you illegal immigrant supporters... this is on you. The reason the poor can't earn a living wage is that you have destroyed the pay scale for these jobs by allowing illegals to stay and do these jobs for less than a living wage.
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Hillary Clinton
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Don't worry. Once I am President I will have all working people surrender their entire checks to me and then I will divide it equally amount everyone.
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WhatsyourPriorit y
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"Finding an affordable apartment is extremely difficult because the rent for a two-bedroom apartment on Long Island is $1,529 a month, according to the fair-market value set by HUD. A person would have to earn $29.40 an hour to afford that"
odd. I manage to pay a $2500 mortgage on $27/hour.
maybe 'cos I'm not a drug addict?
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tired of it
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C'MON you bible thumpers.. Tell you Cult leadre to sell a statue or Four and spend the money wisely. But make these people earn it. Handouts make people lazier. Maybe they can wash your Teak railings. Maybe polish your Gold statues, Maybe mow you Sod lawns. You guys aren't hurting or taken the vow of poverty
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tired of it
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WhatsyourPriority wrote: "Finding an affordable apartment is extremely difficult because the rent for a two-bedroom apartment on Long Island is $1,529 a month, according to the fair-market value set by HUD. A person would have to earn $29.40 an hour to afford that"
odd. I manage to pay a $2500 mortgage on $27/hour.
maybe 'cos I'm not a drug addict? You can afford it because you don't buy tattoos, you don't don't need te fake fingernails or the Gold Bling. These welfare recipients show up to buy food and they are buying better then I can afford and they are dressed to the hilt. Penilize them for mulitplying, don't reward them more money. " you are on Welfare, Sew that cuchy up until you are supporting yourself."
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WHAT A COUNTRY
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Maybe the catholics should start using birth control. Its no secret that most recent immigrants are poor, uneducated catholics who seem to have no problem reproducing irresponsibly and even less problem sucking up all the free public services they can lay their hands on.
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Lex Orandi
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I attended this conference, and the overarching theme was that we are all racists, "guilty of white privilege" and the only answer to alleviating poverty is to continue the failed policies of increased government spending, fueled by higher taxes.
They continue to fail to learn from history. Government is not the answer, government is the problem!
This is sad because faith based communities are infinitely more qualified to achieve tangible, lasting results than any government bureaucrat.
We have had 40 years and have spent hundreds of billions of dollars on failed "Great Society" programs that have accomplished practically nothing and for which there is no accountability.
The panel speakers were correct in calling for citizens of faith to do more than simply volunteer at soup kitchens and hold clothing drives (both very noble and important services), they need to get politically involved.
But in so doing, the approach needs to be based on the idea that REAL help for the poor comes in the form of providing them with the opportunity to elevate their economic status, not make them beholden and reliant on government handout programs.
The instinct to demonize those who oppose a continuation of the 40 years of Great Society failures as "racists guilty of white privilege" accomplishes nothing but the promotion of animosity at a time when unity and clear direction is needed most.
Finally, we all need to realize that the poor of Long Island are not limited to illegal aliens. There are thousands of elderly citizens who struggle with decisions of whether to buy food, medicine or heating oil. There are working families who spend almost 50% of their income on child care. There children whose parents cannot afford to buy food.
We need to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that wants to consider poverty as a self-inflicted disease. No one WANTS to be poor, but the approach of throwing more money at the problem and this Robin Hood fantasy of "tax the rich", combined with race baiting is only going to guarantee that poverty remains a divisive issue. And that helps no one.
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Tired of It
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There are also disabled people who are unable to work. Not everyone is a scammer. There are people who were disabled and who live on a fixed income. How would you like to live on $500 A month, be in constant pain, have your leg swell to the point you can't put a sock on (or have to cut the sock you are wearing off)?, use a cane on a good day and a wheelchair on a bad day. How would you like to tell prospective employers that you need flexible hours because the pain and swelling is so bad you can't get out of bed let alone walk? How'd you like to break down and ask for food stamps only to be told that at $500 a month( 300 of which goes to an elderly friend of the family to live w/her) you make too much money?
Not everyone is a scammer. There are people with real problems who are trying to survive.
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This Is Too Much
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Lex Orandi wrote: I attended this conference, and the overarching theme was that we are all racists, "guilty of white privilege" and the only answer to alleviating poverty is to continue the failed policies of increased government spending, fueled by higher taxes.
They continue to fail to learn from history. Government is not the answer, government is the problem!
This is sad because faith based communities are infinitely more qualified to achieve tangible, lasting results than any government bureaucrat.
We have had 40 years and have spent hundreds of billions of dollars on failed "Great Society" programs that have accomplished practically nothing and for which there is no accountability.
The panel speakers were correct in calling for citizens of faith to do more than simply volunteer at soup kitchens and hold clothing drives (both very noble and important services), they need to get politically involved.
But in so doing, the approach needs to be based on the idea that REAL help for the poor comes in the form of providing them with the opportunity to elevate their economic status, not make them beholden and reliant on government handout programs.
The instinct to demonize those who oppose a continuation of the 40 years of Great Society failures as "racists guilty of white privilege" accomplishes nothing but the promotion of animosity at a time when unity and clear direction is needed most.
Finally, we all need to realize that the poor of Long Island are not limited to illegal aliens. There are thousands of elderly citizens who struggle with decisions of whether to buy food, medicine or heating oil. There are working families who spend almost 50% of their income on child care. There children whose parents cannot afford to buy food.
We need to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that wants to consider poverty as a self-inflicted disease. No one WANTS to be poor, but the approach of throwing more money at the problem and this Robin Hood fantasy of "tax the rich", combined with race baiting is only going to guarantee that poverty remains a divisive issue. And that helps no one. Very well said!!!!!!!!!! and I am a black woman.
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Lex Orandi wrote: I attended this conference, and the overarching theme was that we are all racists, "guilty of white privilege" and the only answer to alleviating poverty is to continue the failed policies of increased government spending, fueled by higher taxes.
<snip> And that helps no one. Guilty of being white? They can beso my culo blanco.
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WHAT A COUNTRY
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Lex Orandi wrote: I attended this conference, and the overarching theme was that we are all racists, "guilty of white privilege" and the only answer to alleviating poverty is to continue the failed policies of increased government spending, fueled by higher taxes.
They continue to fail to learn from history. Government is not the answer, government is the problem!
This is sad because faith based communities are infinitely more qualified to achieve tangible, lasting results than any government bureaucrat.
We have had 40 years and have spent hundreds of billions of dollars on failed "Great Society" programs that have accomplished practically nothing and for which there is no accountability.
The panel speakers were correct in calling for citizens of faith to do more than simply volunteer at soup kitchens and hold clothing drives (both very noble and important services), they need to get politically involved.
But in so doing, the approach needs to be based on the idea that REAL help for the poor comes in the form of providing them with the opportunity to elevate their economic status, not make them beholden and reliant on government handout programs.
The instinct to demonize those who oppose a continuation of the 40 years of Great Society failures as "racists guilty of white privilege" accomplishes nothing but the promotion of animosity at a time when unity and clear direction is needed most.
Finally, we all need to realize that the poor of Long Island are not limited to illegal aliens. There are thousands of elderly citizens who struggle with decisions of whether to buy food, medicine or heating oil. There are working families who spend almost 50% of their income on child care. There children whose parents cannot afford to buy food.
We need to avoid the knee-jerk reaction that wants to consider poverty as a self-inflicted disease. No one WANTS to be poor, but the approach of throwing more money at the problem and this Robin Hood fantasy of "tax the rich", combined with race baiting is only going to guarantee that poverty remains a divisive issue. And that helps no one. And the reason there are so many impoverished senior CITIZENS is because our tax dollars are being wasted supporting illegal immigrant baby-makers instead of supporting our own people.
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Tired of It wrote: There are also disabled people who are unable to work. Not everyone is a scammer. There are people who were disabled and who live on a fixed income. How would you like to live on $500 A month, be in constant pain, have your leg swell to the point you can't put a sock on (or have to cut the sock you are wearing off)?, use a cane on a good day and a wheelchair on a bad day. How would you like to tell prospective employers that you need flexible hours because the pain and swelling is so bad you can't get out of bed let alone walk? How'd you like to break down and ask for food stamps only to be told that at $500 a month( 300 of which goes to an elderly friend of the family to live w/her) you make too much money?
Not everyone is a scammer. There are people with real problems who are trying to survive. You are correct of course. And there would be plenty of money for the CITIZENS that deserve it if so much money wasn't being wasted on illegal aliens.
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Lex Orandi
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WHAT A COUNTRY wrote: <quoted text>
You are correct of course. And there would be plenty of money for the CITIZENS that deserve it if so much money wasn't being wasted on illegal aliens. It would be a mistake to assume that the problem of poverty of caused by illegal aliens. Poverty is a result, not an act. One group of people cannot cause the poverty of another. However, misguided policy decisions can and do contribute to the ongoing suffering of the poor. The lack of a sensible immigration policy and secure borders are a perfect example of this. We also must resist the notion that we should only work to relieve the poverty of "our people" and not "those people". Poverty doesn't make geographic distinctions; if you live on Long Island or in Queens, poor is poor. As compassionate human beings, care for the poor is a responsibility we must all own up to. But the problem is that we've allowed ourselves to get caught up in a game of "I'm right, you're wrong" and "It's all the Republicans' fault", "No, it's all the Democrats fault". Both parties have failed, and they will continue to fail as long as government is looked upon as the solution to problems which inept, incompetent government bureaucrats caused.
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Tired of It
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We also must resist the notion that we should only work to relieve the poverty of "our people" and not "those people". Poverty doesn't make geographic distinctions; if you live on Long Island or in Queens, poor is poor.
Sorry, but i disagree. This country needs to take care of its citizens who are in need. Not the citizens of other nations who illegally cross the border and have a child on our soil. We also need to find a way to help people who are truly in need, and weed out the scammers.
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Lex Orandi
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Tired of It wrote: We also must resist the notion that we should only work to relieve the poverty of "our people" and not "those people". Poverty doesn't make geographic distinctions; if you live on Long Island or in Queens, poor is poor.
Sorry, but i disagree. This country needs to take care of its citizens who are in need. Not the citizens of other nations who illegally cross the border and have a child on our soil. We also need to find a way to help people who are truly in need, and weed out the scammers. Definitely agree about the scammers. We need to crack down on the fraud, no doubt about it. However, we can't simply ignore the problem of feeding & sheltering illegal aliens. You'll get no argument from me about their breaking the law to get here, and about the need to enact make-sense legislation that secures our borders against drug dealers, human traffickers and terrorists & still allows decent, hard-working immigrants seeking a better life to come here. On the other hand, we still have to deal with the very real problem of how to help those that are already here. Mass deportation is simply not an option; it is not only impractical it is also not compassionate. No one should seriously think that we're going to hunt down & round up 12 million men, women & children and shove them in cattle cars going south. It's simply not going to happen, nor should it. At the end of the day, they're still human beings. I offer the following analogy; the nation is a macrocosm of a home: if a starving person knocked on our door asking for food, none of us would refuse. However, that doesn't mean we still don't lock our doors at night. It's all about striking the right balance. You can't let someone starve, no matter what they're circumstances are, but you still can't commit national suicide with the out of control immigration & border policies we've had all these years.
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Tired of it
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I think we should take serious steps to deport the illegals.
Obviously we aren't going to round up all 12 million and ship them home by next tueday, but on the other hand they didn't just show up en masse last tuesday either. We need to send them back the same way they arrived, by the tens, the hundreds, the thousands.
Just throwing up our hands and saying oh well they are here now just encourages more people to flout our laws and come unbidden. If millions of uneducated penniless people can find a way to cross the border in one direction, then a group of well funded, well trained Americans can find a way to send them back over the border. In a compassionate but firm manner.
Of course, I don't want anyone to starve. if they are here and hungry, they should be fed. if they are sick or injured, they should be aided.
But we just don't have the resources and the room for every poor person in the world to come to America and get services. Once upon a time we were a country with vast wilderness needing to be cultivated and built up.
Those days are gone.
We need to have controls about how many immigrants enter our country each year, and the immigrants need to abide by our laws.
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Lex Orandi
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Tired of it wrote: I think we should take serious steps to deport the illegals.
Obviously we aren't going to round up all 12 million and ship them home by next tueday, but on the other hand they didn't just show up en masse last tuesday either. We need to send them back the same way they arrived, by the tens, the hundreds, the thousands.
Just throwing up our hands and saying oh well they are here now just encourages more people to flout our laws and come unbidden. If millions of uneducated penniless people can find a way to cross the border in one direction, then a group of well funded, well trained Americans can find a way to send them back over the border. In a compassionate but firm manner.
Of course, I don't want anyone to starve. if they are here and hungry, they should be fed. if they are sick or injured, they should be aided.
But we just don't have the resources and the room for every poor person in the world to come to America and get services. Once upon a time we were a country with vast wilderness needing to be cultivated and built up.
Those days are gone.
We need to have controls about how many immigrants enter our country each year, and the immigrants need to abide by our laws. As frustrating as it is to see the consequences of terribly short-sighted and ill conceived immigration policies, deportation is just not a viable option. It is not pragmatic, nor is it humane. I would also only partially agree with your statement that we don't have enough resources to deal with the problem. It's not a lack of resources, it's the lack of a cohesive policy which does not properly regulate the amount and timing of immigrants we accept. There needs to be a policy which is fair and sustainable to new immigrants, but at the same time provides for a pause in the total number received in a given time frame. We need to allow sufficient time for new immigrants to establish themselves economically, and to become assimilated socially, culturally and linguistically with their new home. Resources are not scarce, rather they are poorly allocated. Government waste, fraud, illicit pork spending, etc, are all areas where, if reformed could provide ample resources to not only maintain a fair and sensible immigration policy, but also to alleviate poverty in general. A final thought; we should take care not to assume that immigration is a silver bullet, quick fix to the problems of poverty on Long Island. Poverty has been with us long before day laborers started showing up in Farmingville. Wouddn't it be great if those same laborers, once elevated from working for slave wages, actually became self-sufficient enough to become sponsors of future immigrants and the need for government handout programs was removed? And once those programs are ended, taxes can come down and funds allocated for other worthy causes (ie, elder care, child care, assistance to the disabled, etc)
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Tired of it
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i might not have been clear. We do not have the NATURAL rescources to absorb all the world's poor. Food, water, sanitation. Emergency rooms closing.
Schools overcrowded. Roads jammed full of cars.
The city of Atlanta was recently in danger of running out of water.
Time to put some teeth into our existing immigration policies. Come legally or face deportation.
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maxed out
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WHAT A COUNTRY wrote: Maybe the catholics should start using birth control. Its no secret that most recent immigrants are poor, uneducated catholics who seem to have no problem reproducing irresponsibly and even less problem sucking up all the free public services they can lay their hands on. sounds like the kind of talk in this country between 1850-1920 when the masses of Irish, Italian and German immigrants came over. bash those Catholics
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