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BS IS Called

Dallas, TX

#2471 Jan 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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Unfortunately, that's true.
Businesses have lobbyists. People don't. Businesses people understand the tactic of decrying subsidies and tax breaks, all the while lobbying and paying off lawmakers to obtain subsidies and tax breaks for them.
The rules of the game determine who wins.
Whoever makes the rules ...wins.
Wall Street didn't pay politicians $200 Million in the 2012 election because they wanted "fairness", they paid because they want to pay even lower taxes than you and me.
Thanks to their lobbyists income I earn actually working are taxes at 2X the rate of the income I earn selling stock while having a bourbon with my neighbor the stock broker. Thanks.
Thanks to the Realtors' lobbyists'$26 Million in 2012, renters everywhere can subsidize my purchase of my new home by keeping my mortgage interest payments deductible. Oh, and also the interest payments on my Cabin.
Maybe if their taxes weren't higher, so mine can be lower, they could own a house, or even a cabin, too. Thanks.
Thanks to the Chamber of Commerce, which paid politicians $100 Million in 2012, my trip to Orlando for a business conference this week, and of course the family's visit to Disney, is subsidized by all the folks who would like to visit Disney, but can't afford it.
Thanks.
Thanks to the American Christian Lobbyists Association the rest of your can pay higher taxes to keep my church from paying any taxes at all. Gotta love it when we are forced to contribute to religions and churches we don't believe in. Oh, you can also support my church for me by letting me deduct my voluntary donations from my income. Glad everyone is into Zen Buddhism and Liberal Protestantism. Thanks.
Sorry for tirade.
When Americans learn that the tax code exists to give politicians the ability to sell tax breaks, maybe something will change.
One tax rate - all income- all taxed the same- all the time - no deductions - ever.
Bring on the Fair Tax.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#2472 Jan 22, 2013
Oh really wrote:
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Big business and the super-wealthy won't allow you to change it. They own the Congress-person, who represents them, not you, me or anyone who works for wages! To think otherwise is to live in fantasy-land.
Change your PERSONAL situation. That's pretty much the only choice you have. You've just stated yourself that congress isn't going to do it.

I was watching Warren Buffet on the show Sunday Morning last Sunday. The Democrats used him often to talk about his support of the middle and poor classes. He's 82 and didn't have this revelation until the last few years. When the reporter asked him why he started investing so young his reply was: "All I knew is that I wanted to be rich". When asked why, his reply was: "So I could do and have whatever I wanted". NOW, when he has one foot in the grave, he has decided that the discrepancy between the rich and the not so rich is important. How noble. The point I am making is that everyone can get caught up in the loopholes, etc. when they are available. It's just human nature. Is it maddening? Yes. Would anyone turn down the chance to take advantage of those same opportunities? Most probably not. I don't blame the rich.
A couple of days ago I read this: " If someone wants something bad enough, they'll determine a way to achieve it. If not, they'll find an excuse for not doing it." Think about it. I know that I'm guilty of that.
Bored

Commerce, GA

#2473 Jan 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately, that's true.
Businesses have lobbyists. People don't. Businesses people understand the tactic of decrying subsidies and tax breaks, all the while lobbying and paying off lawmakers to obtain subsidies and tax breaks for them.
The rules of the game determine who wins.
Whoever makes the rules ...wins.
Wall Street didn't pay politicians $200 Million in the 2012 election because they wanted "fairness", they paid because they want to pay even lower taxes than you and me.
Thanks to their lobbyists income I earn actually working are taxes at 2X the rate of the income I earn selling stock while having a bourbon with my neighbor the stock broker. Thanks.
Thanks to the Realtors' lobbyists'$26 Million in 2012, renters everywhere can subsidize my purchase of my new home by keeping my mortgage interest payments deductible. Oh, and also the interest payments on my Cabin.
Maybe if their taxes weren't higher, so mine can be lower, they could own a house, or even a cabin, too. Thanks.
Thanks to the Chamber of Commerce, which paid politicians $100 Million in 2012, my trip to Orlando for a business conference this week, and of course the family's visit to Disney, is subsidized by all the folks who would like to visit Disney, but can't afford it.
Thanks.
Thanks to the American Christian Lobbyists Association the rest of your can pay higher taxes to keep my church from paying any taxes at all. Gotta love it when we are forced to contribute to religions and churches we don't believe in. Oh, you can also support my church for me by letting me deduct my voluntary donations from my income. Glad everyone is into Zen Buddhism and Liberal Protestantism. Thanks.
Sorry for tirade.
When Americans learn that the tax code exists to give politicians the ability to sell tax breaks, maybe something will change.
One tax rate - all income- all taxed the same- all the time - no deductions - ever.
Boring.
better informed decisions

Alpharetta, GA

#2474 Jan 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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One tax rate - all income- all taxed the same- all the time - no deductions - ever.
from what I've read that would be the Fair Tax but no income tax?
guesswho

Winter Haven, FL

#2475 Jan 22, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
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Do your own FairTax research, start with the word "prebate". It's been explained ad nauseum in here already.
More Bullshit, I pay gains tax when I sell stock and real estate. I am far from the upper percentage, adding in my wages earned I pay a lot more than Romney as a percentage of income!! The real estate part was before Bush sunk the economy, not so much now.

You dance all around the POINT, which is the upper percentage of earners pay LESS AS A PERCENTAGE OF INCOME THAN MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS!!! You still won't answer the question "WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST THE UPPER PERCENTAGE OF WAGE EARNERS PAYING THE SAME AS MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS"

You believe in the FairyTax, do you also believe in the myth of TRICKLE DOWN! A myth perpetuated by the upper percentage of wage earners to validate their need to just get richer at the expense of the middle class. Look at the history of middle class wealth over the last 20 years, and then compare that to the history of the rich for the same period. The rich get richer and the middle class is becoming the working poor. Great for corporations trying to compete with China, not so great for Americas Middle Class workers.

Why do you want to see this trend continue, a simple answer is long overdue, skip the bullshit
who knows

Winter Haven, FL

#2476 Jan 22, 2013
Bored wrote:
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Boring.
Just another reason the American Middle Class is getting screwed. They would rather watch a football game than try to understand why and how they are getting screwed. Or maybe they just enjoy it, who knows.
Weather

Young Harris, GA

#2477 Jan 22, 2013
better informed decisions wrote:
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from what I've read that would be the Fair Tax but no income tax?
The so-called fair tax is a consumption tax that will favor the wealthy at the expense of the middle class.
Weather

Young Harris, GA

#2478 Jan 22, 2013
who knows wrote:
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Just another reason the American Middle Class is getting screwed. They would rather watch a football game than try to understand why and how they are getting screwed. Or maybe they just enjoy it, who knows.
Or that they/we accept the fact Congress is serving Congress and their masters and there's nothing we can do to stop it.
BS IS Called

Dallas, TX

#2479 Jan 22, 2013
better informed decisions wrote:
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from what I've read that would be the Fair Tax but no income tax?
Correct, no personal income tax, just like several states have done.
BS IS Called

Dallas, TX

#2480 Jan 22, 2013
Weather wrote:
<quoted text>The so-called fair tax is a consumption tax that will favor the wealthy at the expense of the middle class.
Short and sweet, one reason how that is so.
Columbus Native

Oklahoma City, OK

#2481 Jan 22, 2013
Lived there wrote:
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Those waiting on an elected Messiah to come along and lead us out of this quagmire we're in, good luck!
The road we'll have to take is the same bloodied route we took when we were young and idealistic, and immortal, a road that ended the Vietnam War and also won equal rights for all.
Don't look for deliverance through the gilded halls of Congress or the White House, rather through a perhaps violent uprising by the Proletariat.
In the meantime, back at the ranch, we still have only 2 choices, Those who want disburse wealth to more people and those who want to give it to a few and hope they will "Trickle some down". Unfortuneatly the super greedy have taken over these past 35 years and I believe untill a third party arrises that Democrats are the ones to put money in more pockets.
Agreed

Fitzgerald, GA

#2482 Jan 22, 2013
Anyone who thinks "trickle down economy" works is in the top 1%. This does not work, has been proven not to work, and still some people think this is the way to go. Even the word "trickle" should have given everyone a clue to the non-existence of this theory. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Nothing "trickles down" when the greedy can put it in their pocket. And that's exactly where it's been going. When you see people that have worked at the same place for years and still make little more than minimum wage, it's terrible. Especially when that company is making millions of dollars. The big money stays at the top and nothing "trickles" down except their pockets when the change from those $100's get too heavy.
chevy

Cornelia, GA

#2483 Jan 22, 2013
Agreed wrote:
Anyone who thinks "trickle down economy" works is in the top 1%. This does not work, has been proven not to work, and still some people think this is the way to go. Even the word "trickle" should have given everyone a clue to the non-existence of this theory. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Nothing "trickles down" when the greedy can put it in their pocket. And that's exactly where it's been going. When you see people that have worked at the same place for years and still make little more than minimum wage, it's terrible. Especially when that company is making millions of dollars. The big money stays at the top and nothing "trickles" down except their pockets when the change from those $100's get too heavy.
sorry your hourly rate factory job is so terrible

hang in there for awhile longer

Obama will make sure that all pay is equal so you will be making the same as the owner or ceo of your company

life will be good
Snorkle

Dahlonega, GA

#2484 Jan 22, 2013
chevy wrote:
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sorry your hourly rate factory job is so terrible
hang in there for awhile longer
Obama will make sure that all pay is equal so you will be making the same as the owner or ceo of your company
life will be good
What factory jobs? The greedy corporations have taken all the jobs to Mexico and overseas so they can make more money.
chevy

Cornelia, GA

#2485 Jan 22, 2013
Snorkle wrote:
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What factory jobs? The greedy corporations have taken all the jobs to Mexico and overseas so they can make more money.
Does it really matter

you and others who think like you wouldn't qualiify for a factory job anyway except maybe in China where you could work for $2.00 per hr. But you get free uniforms with a red star on your hat
Informed Opinion

United States

#2486 Jan 22, 2013
Columbus Native wrote:
<quoted text>In the meantime, back at the ranch, we still have only 2 choices, Those who want disburse wealth to more people and those who want to give it to a few and hope they will "Trickle some down". Unfortuneatly the super greedy have taken over these past 35 years and I believe untill a third party arrises that Democrats are the ones to put money in more pockets.
Great post.

Succinct, accurate, and insightful.

Informed Opinion

United States

#2487 Jan 22, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>Change your PERSONAL situation. That's pretty much the only choice you have. You've just stated yourself that congress isn't going to do it.

I was watching Warren Buffet on the show Sunday Morning last Sunday. The Democrats used him often to talk about his support of the middle and poor classes. He's 82 and didn't have this revelation until the last few years. When the reporter asked him why he started investing so young his reply was: "All I knew is that I wanted to be rich". When asked why, his reply was: "So I could do and have whatever I wanted". NOW, when he has one foot in the grave, he has decided that the discrepancy between the rich and the not so rich is important. How noble. The point I am making is that everyone can get caught up in the loopholes, etc. when they are available. It's just human nature. Is it maddening? Yes. Would anyone turn down the chance to take advantage of those same opportunities? Most probably not. I don't blame the rich.
A couple of days ago I read this: " If someone wants something bad enough, they'll determine a way to achieve it. If not, they'll find an excuse for not doing it." Think about it. I know that I'm guilty of that.
Seems you make your opposition's point much more credibly than your own.

A self-made multi-billionaire, who has demonstrated the proven business and investment knowledge and experience, advises on the class war that exists, primarily fought using the tax code, and informs us that wealth is being transferred via the tax code from the rest of us to the rich and powerful.

You then identify some of the reasons that this man's opinion and advice is, in fact, contrary to his own field-interest, which renders all that more credible.
Informed Opinion

United States

#2488 Jan 22, 2013
guesswho wrote:
<quoted text>More Bullshit, I pay gains tax when I sell stock and real estate. I am far from the upper percentage, adding in my wages earned I pay a lot more than Romney as a percentage of income!! The real estate part was before Bush sunk the economy, not so much now.

You dance all around the POINT, which is the upper percentage of earners pay LESS AS A PERCENTAGE OF INCOME THAN MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS!!! You still won't answer the question "WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST THE UPPER PERCENTAGE OF WAGE EARNERS PAYING THE SAME AS MIDDLE CLASS AMERICANS"

You believe in the FairyTax, do you also believe in the myth of TRICKLE DOWN! A myth perpetuated by the upper percentage of wage earners to validate their need to just get richer at the expense of the middle class. Look at the history of middle class wealth over the last 20 years, and then compare that to the history of the rich for the same period. The rich get richer and the middle class is becoming the working poor. Great for corporations trying to compete with China, not so great for Americas Middle Class workers.

Why do you want to see this trend continue, a simple answer is long overdue, skip the bullshit
Great post.
Snorkle

Dahlonega, GA

#2489 Jan 22, 2013
chevy wrote:
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Does it really matter
you and others who think like you wouldn't qualiify for a factory job anyway except maybe in China where you could work for $2.00 per hr. But you get free uniforms with a red star on your hat
Showing your arrogance once again. Most people wouldn't agree with you on this. It doesn't take a Harvard genius to see what many of the larger corporations have done to our country and economy... and all in the name of unbridled profits.

You should be really happy that the Chinese will work for $2.00 an hour. That way your corporations can make even more profits for the top brass. And by the way, no need to look down on me. I have a college degree and own and operate my own business. But I am not greedy enough to ruin my own country's economy for my own benefit, nor even in tough times like we have today, am willing to lay off employees just so I can make more money.
chevy

Cornelia, GA

#2490 Jan 22, 2013
Snorkle wrote:
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Showing your arrogance once again. Most people wouldn't agree with you on this. It doesn't take a Harvard genius to see what many of the larger corporations have done to our country and economy... and all in the name of unbridled profits.
You should be really happy that the Chinese will work for $2.00 an hour. That way your corporations can make even more profits for the top brass. And by the way, no need to look down on me. I have a college degree and own and operate my own business. But I am not greedy enough to ruin my own country's economy for my own benefit, nor even in tough times like we have today, am willing to lay off employees just so I can make more money.
You are right. Most people would not agree with me. Afterall, they re-elected Obama. They must agree with him in that all corporations are greedy monstors, rich people (if they are conservatives) are selfish and otherwise bad, everytone should receive the same pay and this country doesn't have a spending problem. I understand.

I don't look down on you or anyone else. I admire you for owning your own business.

I am sorry you feel that way and I am sorry you have been infected by the Liberal media and your skewed opinion of what drives this coutnry's economy. That's what makes the world go around, isnt it?

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