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Scuba diver's death under investigation -- themorningcall.com

There are 32 comments on the The Morning Call story from Oct 29, 2007, titled Scuba diver's death under investigation -- themorningcall.com. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

A New Jersey man died yesterday after going to Dutch Springs, a scuba diving park in Lower Nazareth Township, according to the Lehigh County coroner's office.

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Matty

Macungie, PA

#1 Oct 29, 2007
An autopsy was PREformed this morning,

I guess there's nobody at the MC who proofreads these things.
BE CAREFUL THERE

Allentown, PA

#3 Oct 29, 2007
That place is dangerous! I can't speak of the scuba area...but I visited the water park, and was injured myself this Summer. The inflatable jumping things are slippery and you hit them very hard when you land on them. I am still in therapy for a torn ligament in my knee. They allow too many people to climb on the inflatables at one time. Be CAREFUL!
tragic

AOL

#4 Oct 29, 2007
Once again....This is so sad. How many people have to die there before they shut that place down?
nopunintended

Philadelphia, PA

#6 Oct 29, 2007
tragic wrote:
Once again....This is so sad. How many people have to die there before they shut that place down?
How many other people died there?
crime pays

Easton, PA

#7 Oct 29, 2007
tragic wrote:
Once again....This is so sad. How many people have to die there before they shut that place down?
Death can strike at any time - shut the place down because death came knocking. Scuba diving takes effort and exertion, putting strain on the heart - coulda had a heart attack. Some activities have inherent risks and scuba diving is one. RIP buddy - we all can only wish we go doing something we love.
Surface Interval

Allentown, PA

#8 Oct 29, 2007
Dutch is not dangerous but diving is. Dutch requires divers to be certified or with instructors. Certified divers are required to be with a buddy. Scuba can be dangerous care must be taken to keep yourself safe. Dutch springs provides a suitable location for divers to practice there skills and stay proficient between dive vacations. It is also regularly used by public safety divers for drills and training. I am curious as to what the cause of death is, perhaps it wasn't directly dive related, maybe a heart atack due to overexertion.
crime pays

Easton, PA

#9 Oct 29, 2007
How many die in cars accidents??? Plane mishaps??? Let's shut down the airports and auto industry - how many people have to die before they are shut down???
Good Question

Stroudsburg, PA

#10 Oct 29, 2007
nopunintended wrote:
<quoted text>How many other people died there?
I asked the same thing in an earlier thread on this. I don't know if anyone has answered this or not. It seems that there are 2 or 3 threads running on this topic.
pathfinder

Allentown, PA

#11 Oct 29, 2007
"Devenny was scuba diving at Dutch Springs when he was found unresponsive underwater, Grim said in a news release."
My question is where was his dive partner. If he would have been nearby as your supposed to be, he would have witnessed the victim in trouble.
We still do not know the entire story.
IHeard

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Oct 29, 2007
I heard that if you're having a bad marriage, never go scuba diving with your spouse because one of you will definately not re-surface!
ByTheWay

Philadelphia, PA

#13 Oct 29, 2007
Please do not hold the owners responsible for your own mistake, because if you scuba dive,you know there are risks involved just like any other sport.

It's your own responsibility and if you choose to take up a sport and it fails, whose fault is it but your own fault.

If you're a skydiver and are not skilled to skydive who are you going to blame but yourself.

Same story applies here!

Same goes here. I'm tired of people blaming others for their own stupid mistakes.

It's time people take blame for "THEIR OWN ACTIONS!"
tragic

AOL

#14 Oct 29, 2007
nopunintended wrote:
<quoted text>How many other people died there?
This is definately NOT the first...more like the 5th (or so). Does the number really matter--it's more than one!! That's enough for me!
tragic

AOL

#15 Oct 29, 2007
crime pays wrote:
<quoted text>Death can strike at any time - shut the place down because death came knocking. Scuba diving takes effort and exertion, putting strain on the heart - coulda had a heart attack. Some activities have inherent risks and scuba diving is one. RIP buddy - we all can only wish we go doing something we love.
Obviously you have a passion for diving. Many love to dive. I know of certified divers who won't go near the place. It is unsafe. It is a quarry, not the ocean.
As for wishing we all "go doing something we love" ... let's just hope he shared the same passion and it wasn't his first time experiencing diving!

Since: Mar 07

Allentown, PA

#16 Oct 29, 2007
Again, I've been diving wrecks off LI and NJ for over 20 years.

People don't die for no reason.

In a "toilet" like Dutch Springs, the only reason a diver would die is his/her own inexperience.

This is not "open water". This is a stone quarry that went too deep, and they hit an aquifer.

There are no currents, predators, caves/caverns, rusty wrecks to be penetrated, fishing line, or anything else to mess-up a dive.

There are only Amateur "divers" who over-reach their abilities/equipment.
Surface Interval

Allentown, PA

#17 Oct 29, 2007
Dutch is a quarry and it is different than the ocean. I do not believe it is less safe. If you know divers who won't dive dutch that does not mean it is unsafe for everyone. The divers you know have wisely recognized that dutch may be above their skill level or comfort zone. Cold water northeast quarry diving is not for the faint of heart and it is vastly different than blowing bubbles in the tropics. I know divers who frequent underwater caves, that is something I wouldn't do. That does not make it unsafe for everyone.
Scooby

Bethlehem, PA

#19 Oct 29, 2007
Matty wrote:
An autopsy was PREformed this morning,
I guess there's nobody at the MC who proofreads these things.
Hey, I'm thrilled to see someone interested in grammar but I think you are incorrect.

pre·form (pr&#275;'fôrm') Pronunciation Key
tr.v. pre·formed, pre·form·ing, pre·forms

To shape or form beforehand.
To determine the shape or form of beforehand.

n.
An object that has been subjected to preliminary, usually incomplete shaping or molding before undergoing complete or final processing.
Linguistics A reconstructed ancestral word or form.

per·form (p&#601;r-fôrm') Pronunciation Key
v. per·formed, per·form·ing, per·forms

v. tr.

To begin and carry through to completion; do: The surgeon performed the operation.
To take action in accordance with the requirements of; fulfill: perform one's contractual obligations.

To enact (a feat or role) before an audience.
To give a public presentation of; present: My theater group performed a three-act play.
Huh

Allentown, PA

#20 Oct 29, 2007
Hey Scooby what am I missing here? The definitions you posted show the word perform. I don't think the word preform in the article was correct. I am by no means an expert in grammar please explain your post.
Done the walk

Whitehall, PA

#21 Oct 30, 2007
Dutch Springs is not unsafe, it's the divers who may be unsafe. It's just a body of water. There are many good things written about D.S. in national scuba diving publications, complimenting them on their service, maintenance of site and E.F.R. team. Divers(myself included) know the risk when diving, but sometimes, it's easy to overlook the basics when you get a little too comfortable. If it wasn't for D.S. and the hundreds of other quarry dive sites there would be far more ocean deaths. BTW, how often does the Morning Call make it a point to list all other diving related deaths from around the world.
Larain

AOL

#23 Oct 30, 2007
My husband and I were at Dutch Springs this past Sunday when this tragedy happened. We did not witness it, but we heard about it when we surfaced from our second dive. Everyone who is writing about Dutch being unsafe and saying the place should be shut down has obviously not been there. Diving is a dangerous sport, but if you do not push the limitations, it is very enjoyable. Most diving accidents are caused by "diver error", NOT the place they are diving in. Many people drown in the ocean. Are they going to close all the beaches? No one should speculate on what happened until all the facts are sorted out. Instructors and your "buddy" can only do so much. If a diver were to have a heart attack or panic, underwater, it can result in a tragedy. I know, I over-exerted myself on a dive, got out of breath, and was going to remove my regulator from my mouth to breathe....in 60 feet of water. My husband, who is also my Buddy, noticed something wrong. I remembered learning about over-exertion and what to do in my training, and was able to calm down and my husband got me to a platform (Dutch has various underwater platforms) We then made a normal ascent. Once we got to the surface, I was able to tell my husband what had happened. My point is, is that if I would have removed my regulator, I would have drowned. It would have only taken seconds. Once you inhale water, you are a drowning victim. There is nothing that your Buddy, Instructor, or anyone can do, but to bring you to the surface and start CPR. The only one who knows what happened is the diver himself. Once they do the autopsy, then they might have some answers, but until then do not blame anyone, especially the facility. You dive at your own risk anywhere you go.
Larain

AOL

#24 Oct 30, 2007
I thought I would add this website:

http://www.cdnn.info

Go to this website and you will see how many divers die due to diver error.

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