Cookie thieves, savage killers face the same penalty

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In the de facto scheme of things, there is no death penalty. So why is there a fuss? Since Dec.

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Johh Birch

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Jan 6, 2008
 
Sometimes Paul Carpenter is 100% right. This is one instance. Mandatory sentences are really just something to show how tough politicians are on crime and make no sense at all. The eternal appeals process dictates those on death row stay there for years--not sure how to solve that one.
We ought to return to letting a judge and jury have some discretion in sentencing.
Beavis

Whitehall, PA

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#2
Jan 6, 2008
 
Don't forget, the prisons are full of non violent offenders for drug addition and other things.

Prisons are an industry that makes money for some people.
RonMania

Slatington, PA

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#4
Jan 6, 2008
 
Please as a convicted serial cookie thief, don't drag my cicumstances into the light of public scrutiny again!!
mike

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#5
Jan 6, 2008
 
as always john is on the money. i am tired of my tax money being spent on non-violent crimes. and look how many innocent people got executed in illinios in the 1990's. thank you john for being the voice of reason
Mary

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Jan 6, 2008
 
"This is in an era in which America has put a larger percentage of its population in prison (mostly for nonviolent crimes) than any other nation, including tyrannies".
Think about this people. And the vast majority are in prison for petty nonviolent crime.
The "greatest country in the world."
Please remember these people who are incarcerated for petty nonviolent crime have relatives who are law abiding people, some of them affluent too. What is slowly resulting is a seething distrust and hatred of the government.... and for good reason.
Our police act like militia. They used to be here to protect and serve.
That is NOT always the case anymore. There is little discretion used and no mercy.
I want you to think the next time you yell "make a law" against this or that every time there is a new problem in society.
marcusjar

Allentown, PA

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Jan 6, 2008
 
The death penalty is not being caried out as it should - when Judge and Jury -sit through a trial deliberate and come to a unaimous verdict of guilt- they then must consider aggravating and mittigating circumstances -only if the entire jury aggrees on death -is death penalty recomended.
The reson the death penalty is still viable now, if every homicide deft. decided to take his case to trial the court system would back up to the point of breaking. All cases would take 2-4 years before going to trial, we would need more judges etc.

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Jan 6, 2008
 
Why do people care more about the murderers than about the victims? I don't even care about whether the death sentence deters crime (although I believe it does). I want justice for the victims. It's not justice if a torture murderer gets to spend the rest of his life, on taxpayer money, watching TV and playing chess with other kil lers.
MJK

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Jan 6, 2008
 
All states should follow the example George W Bush set when he was in Texas. He put in an express lane for death row. You killed someone, were found guilty of your crime by a jury of your peers...goodbye. Save us the tax money. Where is the justice? NJ abolished the death penalty...now the perv that killed Megan (thus creating Megan's Law) can live the rest of his life on NJ taxpayer money. What about Martin Apple...the sick bastard that killed everyone in a Bath bank during a robbery. His sentence was commuted to life. The families and friends deserve closure. Clear out death row.
Im Backk

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#10
Jan 6, 2008
 
Mary wrote:
"This is in an era in which America has put a larger percentage of its population in prison (mostly for nonviolent crimes) than any other nation, including tyrannies".
Think about this people. And the vast majority are in prison for petty nonviolent crime.
The "greatest country in the world."
Please remember these people who are incarcerated for petty nonviolent crime have relatives who are law abiding people, some of them affluent too. What is slowly resulting is a seething distrust and hatred of the government.... and for good reason.
Our police act like militia. They used to be here to protect and serve.
That is NOT always the case anymore. There is little discretion used and no mercy.
I want you to think the next time you yell "make a law" against this or that every time there is a new problem in society.
BRAVO - BRAVO - BRAVO
jimbod99

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#13
Jan 6, 2008
 
It is interesting to note that tomorrow the Supreme Court is scheduled to hear two Kentucky cases challenging lethal injection as cruel and unusual punishment.

In light of the fact that, as Mr. Carpenter points out, these convicted first degree homicidal maniacs had their day in court and it has been determined that the aggravating circumstances outweighed the mitigating circumstances, why are we truly concerned about whether these miscreants experience pain?

Were they concerned at the time the crimes were committed?
Just Do It

Wyalusing, PA

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Jan 6, 2008
 
mjm wrote:
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I agree 100% but with all the bleeding heart liberals, that will never happen! It would save us all a ton of money and alot of time!
Yes, with the wimpy, bleeding-hearted liberals in charge here in PA, this is what the heinous killers get - a commuted sentence instead of the reality of death. The rate of killings has dramatically increased since the 1950's because these scumbags know we are going to just sit here going back and forth yucking it up as to what is the right thing to do with them and what is wrong thing to do with them. They know there are actually idiots out there to run to their rescue. Check out the state of Texas's statistics where they have installed an "Express Lane" for these useless creatures.
HANG EM HIGH

Etters, PA

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#15
Jan 6, 2008
 
It's real simple. The United States has 70% of the world's lawyers, and only 5% of the world's population. It is no wonder the legal system is so screwed up.
Just Do It

Wyalusing, PA

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Jan 6, 2008
 
Just Do It wrote:
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Yes, with the wimpy, bleeding-hearted liberals in charge here in PA, this is what the heinous killers get - a commuted sentence instead of the reality of death. The rate of killings has dramatically increased since the 1950's because these scumbags know we are going to just sit here going back and forth yucking it up as to what is the right thing to do with them and what is wrong thing to do with them. They know there are actually idiots out there to run to their rescue. Check out the state of Texas's statistics where they have installed an "Express Lane" for these useless creatures.
P.S. Just keep voting for the dumbass, Do-Nothing Democrats people and we'll be following right behind Jersey.

“Wandering and wondering”

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Jan 6, 2008
 
Mary wrote:
"This is in an era in which America has put a larger percentage of its population in prison (mostly for nonviolent crimes) than any other nation, including tyrannies".
Think about this people. And the vast majority are in prison for petty nonviolent crime.
The "greatest country in the world."
Please remember these people who are incarcerated for petty nonviolent crime have relatives who are law abiding people, some of them affluent too. What is slowly resulting is a seething distrust and hatred of the government.... and for good reason.
Our police act like militia. They used to be here to protect and serve.
That is NOT always the case anymore. There is little discretion used and no mercy.
I want you to think the next time you yell "make a law" against this or that every time there is a new problem in society.
Well said!
old nam vet

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#19
Jan 6, 2008
 
i'm a hard core demo....but i think carpanter is right for once......IF.......we can prove some one did it beyond a reasonable doubt they should be put to death....we do have a few to many convictions overturned with D N A .....but if we are sure they did it hang 'um
taxpayer

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#20
Jan 6, 2008
 
is the guillotine too painful? lets let them choose - when you get the death penalty give them the choice injection, gas, hanging, guillotine then technically we did it according to what they wanted that solves that problem
piano man

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#21
Jan 6, 2008
 
I just checked the statistics for Pennsylvania and Texas in 2006. The murder rate in both states was 5.9 per 10,000 inhabitants. This was a marked improvement in Texas compared to the years when President Bush was Governor Bush. If we add in all the murders the state of Texas committed in the name of justice, Texas wins, Texas wins!
Im Backk

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Jan 6, 2008
 
Mary wrote:
"This is in an era in which America has put a larger percentage of its population in prison (mostly for nonviolent crimes) than any other nation, including tyrannies".
Think about this people. And the vast majority are in prison for petty nonviolent crime.
The "greatest country in the world."
Please remember these people who are incarcerated for petty nonviolent crime have relatives who are law abiding people, some of them affluent too. What is slowly resulting is a seething distrust and hatred of the government.... and for good reason.
Our police act like militia. They used to be here to protect and serve.
That is NOT always the case anymore. There is little discretion used and no mercy.
I want you to think the next time you yell "make a law" against this or that every time there is a new problem in society.
BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO
wait

Easton, PA

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#23
Jan 6, 2008
 
MJK wrote:
All states should follow the example George W Bush set when he was in Texas. He put in an express lane for death row. You killed someone, were found guilty of your crime by a jury of your peers...goodbye. Save us the tax money. Where is the justice? NJ abolished the death penalty...now the perv that killed Megan (thus creating Megan's Law) can live the rest of his life on NJ taxpayer money. What about Martin Apple...the sick bastard that killed everyone in a Bath bank during a robbery. His sentence was commuted to life. The families and friends deserve closure. Clear out death row.
What about all of those in Texas jails now being exonerated by DNA evidence? If our court system were better, I'd agree, but it isn't. http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/03/dna.exonerat...
Just Do It

Wyalusing, PA

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#25
Jan 6, 2008
 
Under bottom table for executions, for example, 1997 is the year,446 is death row population and 37 is actual executions carried out (this table's numbers got mushed too close together to read easily)

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