Debate over police continues in Lower...

Debate over police continues in Lower Macungie Township

There are 88 comments on the The Morning Call story from Aug 9, 2009, titled Debate over police continues in Lower Macungie Township. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

If Ed Adamczak had his way, Lower Macungie would have created a police department years ago.

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Macungie, PA

#1 Aug 9, 2009
I can see the benefit of having a municipal police department. However, the State Police have more resources that local departments cannot financially support such as criminal investigators, crime lab, computer crime investigators. The article states that in 1997 ten police officers would have cost the township $900,000 per year. That would indicate less than 3 officers per shift if you would consider vacation time and sick time. I anticipate that the State Police currently provide more than double that many officers. Did anyone contact the State Police and verify the number of troopers that support the township? What about pensions, benefits and support staff? The article implies that it may cost the township 6 million dollars to startup a police department. Does that include a building?
mac 8

Emmaus, PA

#2 Aug 9, 2009
I don't have facts or figures, but the Borough of Macungie supports a police force more equipped than the US Army. I have no reason to believe that with a couple more people they could handle Lower Macungie as well. Per capita I believer they have more police than NYC. They do lack an assault vehicle and helicopter. I'm sure with the wealth in LMT we could supply that also, now who's got a farm for the expected mount police division, to handle crown control at soccer games, on on of our 100 fields?
Right Very Right

Macungie, PA

#3 Aug 9, 2009


Emmaus, PA

#4 Aug 9, 2009
Why not prohibit any more refugees from NJ & NY from moving in? That would solve the crime problem.
Suburban planning

Allentown, PA

#5 Aug 9, 2009
No police force, inadequate water supplies..... a microcosm of the problems with our nation. We only worry about what's going on right now, screw the future. We want our freedom and are willing to create fear, based on lies, to keep things as they are. I wonder if we really are the most evolved life form on this planet.
30 Thou and No Police

Bethlehem, PA

#6 Aug 9, 2009
I am sick and tired of subsidizing the primadonnas in Lower Macungie. This corrupt,coat tail sliding community needs to start paying up. They have no taxes because they conspire to rip off the Pennsylvania taxpayer for State Police services. The State Police are for the patrolling of the highways and RURAL/FARMING communities. The last time I looked, Lower Macungie is neither a rural or farming community but a Suburban mess of a Sprawl. It is time for the rip off to start. If Lower Macungie can afford to give $2million to Marge and her family, it can certainly afford to hire its OWN cops.
30 Thou and No Police

Bethlehem, PA

#7 Aug 9, 2009
Oops.. meant Its time for the rip off to STOP!!

Allentown, PA

#8 Aug 9, 2009
This could be possibly one of the dumbest ideas ever thought of in LMT. State Police do an excellent job patrolling/enforcing our township. It might cost 6 million initially for LMT to start their own police force and after 6-10 years, we will be paying that or more annually. Residents need to think about not just the liability issue but also the beautiful think called pensions. If the state charged every resident $150 something per resident, we would still be making off better than having our own police force. I would bet you would also see more troopers hired in this area because of the added cash flow coming into the state. As a resident that lives on the border of the township, I always see a strong state police presence and on the off occasion that I have had to request their service, they respond extremely quick. My strong opinion, NO POLICE FORCE FOR LMT!!

Allentown, PA

#9 Aug 9, 2009
Look this is not rocket science here people. State Police should be on the interstate or in the farm country. A twsp. of this size should be responsible for their own dept. State Police handle only one jurisdiction in the state that is larger than LMT. The state still has not adopted their budget thus leaving all state workers including State PD officers without a paycheck. the state will charge for services any moron can see it coming. Before you are forced to look into starting a dept. take a proactive approach and start now. Look at the area. You have established departments like Macungie Boro and Alburtis Boro right in the middle of LMT. Pool your resources and regionalize the area or contract the services from one of these smaller established departments. This would be most cost effective method and would benefit all residents.
State or regional

Macungie, PA

#10 Aug 9, 2009
The State Police fee seems reasonable and the services are fine. If that doesn't please everyone (and it appears that these days EVERYONE must be pleased) then the regional police concept is the best alternative.

We've seen the calamity that a part-time, inexperienced Township Commission can result it. I'm for smaller government.
Chris Casey

Allentown, PA

#11 Aug 9, 2009
Right Very Right wrote:
Upper mac funds 70% of the Berks Lehigh. The state is going to mandate fees for State police protection.

It will be cheaper to merge with Berks Lehigh in a greater regional safety force, but that makes too much sense. You are going to pay, so why wait until the cost is exorbitant?

Sharing resources and costs are the way to go, with local control. You can always call on the Staties for help when you need it on a case by case basis
Labron DeCruz


#12 Aug 9, 2009
Why not increase Code Enforcement Officers, Fire Marshals, and establish a park ranger position to handle many of the township affairs? PSP has many more resources to combat crime, and would be a bargain when compared to a township run force. Having such specialized enforcement services actually being enforced by those who know how to do it (animal control, fire marshal, code endorcement,etc) would improve the quality of life in LMT. PSP troopers can enforce ALL laws, but no trooper knows all of them at once.
Smilin Bob

Emmaus, PA

#13 Aug 9, 2009
I think the important thing here is that, one way or the other, the free ride that LMT has had is coming to an end. If others must pay for the protection and services, so should LMT.

Glenolden, PA

#14 Aug 9, 2009
Smilin Bob wrote:
I think the important thing here is that, one way or the other, the free ride that LMT has had is coming to an end. If others must pay for the protection and services, so should LMT.
Short and to the point!!
they should pay

Center Valley, PA

#15 Aug 9, 2009
They should pay like everyone else. They are eating a free lunch on our dime. How about Lower Mac residents pay for my water bills? Would that be fair?

Northampton, PA

#16 Aug 9, 2009
A per capita fee for using the State Police seems very fair.
The Bear

Havre De Grace, MD

#17 Aug 9, 2009
The cost of creating a LMT police force could be much greater than anticipated. Keep in mind, once it's created, virtually the only way to address issues in the future such as rising crime or increasing police response time is to hire more officers.

Norwalk, CA

#18 Aug 9, 2009
Johnson wrote:
Why not prohibit any more refugees from NJ & NY from moving in? That would solve the crime problem.
Who would work in the large corporate mushroom, chicken and vegetable industries? Who would import, move, and deliver the drugs to the gangs in PA? Who would get free medical from the doctors and hospitals? Who would fill the apartments rented from local slum lords? Who would fill your schools with bilinguals fresh from the international landscape? Who would there be to dole out welfare benefits from the Fed Gov't?
The Federal Gov't, an entity in itself, will dictate to you whether it is good for your community or not...Whether you can afford it or not.
NJ and NY are full...they need your communities all over the US.

Allentown, PA

#19 Aug 9, 2009
I'm just speaking from experience when I say that, State Police are the way to go. I still don't know why people have the preconceived notion that Troopers are supposed to only patrol the "interstate". If all townships would go to their own departments, I wouldn't be surprised to see State Police slow their hiring process or to see a Trooper every 6-7 miles on state roads. When it hits the fan, all local/municipal departments call on the State Police for help or to take over the investigations. I'm not against having to pay for police in the township but the township would benefit more by keeping the Troopers as the primary police force in the township.

Saint Louis, MO

#20 Aug 9, 2009
This century's ghetto is going to be Macungie. Better get a good police force.

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