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Police: Couple die in murder-suicide -- themorningcall.com

There are 296 comments on the The Morning Call story from Aug 13, 2007, titled Police: Couple die in murder-suicide -- themorningcall.com. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

A Bethlehem couple died in an apparent murder-suicide Saturday night inside a sport utility vehicle parked on Second Avenue and W. Market Street as crowds streamed home from nearby Musikfest.

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Since: Jun 07

Breinigsville, PA

#200 Aug 14, 2007
God bless this family. How tragic.
Tom foolery

Easton, PA

#201 Aug 14, 2007
Lucky Lucciano wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Tom, take the e,r,y off your last name. That would explain the type of person you really are. And who the hell are you to judge anyone. Your name is Tom FOOLery not Jesus Christ. Don't forget that a-hole!!
Sounds like you are another punk with a gun.. Go follow your buddy to hell!
Tom foolery

Easton, PA

#202 Aug 14, 2007
Wonder why latinos get such a bad rep.
Lucky , you are a proud poster boy for moron of the year!

“Boycott Bank of America ”

Since: Apr 07

PA

#203 Aug 14, 2007
a friend and co-worker wrote:
I attended a moving and heart-felt candlelight vigil hosted by the family, friends & co-workers of Carmen last night on the grounds of Central Moravian Church. The outpouring of love and support was heart warming during this time of grief & shock. I can only hope that the emotions of last night can help the family in their time of need. We reached out to the children and parents and held each other up during this crisis of un-imaginable circumstances. The gathering shows just how loved they were, and how much they will be missed. My thanks to the friends & family for allowing us to share our grief and love with you last night. Also thanks to the church and the hotel's management and owners for being there at this tragic time for their employees. God Bless Carmen & Jerry!!! Rest in Peace.
Sorry I couldnt make it last night. It sounds like the family felt some comfort from all of you. God Bless them and the people who were there for them.
starr

Bethlehem, PA

#204 Aug 14, 2007
b0pper22 wrote:
<quoted text> That is the dumbest thing i ever heard keep it on the southside. In other words who cares kill your wife just do it on yourside of town!
I totally agree with you. Do people really think this man decided "Hey, pull over, I think I'll kill my wife and myself here...??" How stupid are some people?? I worked with Carmen for the past year and she was a wonderful person. Poeple really need to stop opening their mouths and saying things before they know the facts, and stop judging someone they don't know so much. And as for the comment about how much houses cost in that area and the owner of American Hairlines living there....WHO CARES?? What a stupid thing to say. Get real.

“Boycott Bank of America ”

Since: Apr 07

PA

#205 Aug 14, 2007
Its still very hard to believe this happened.
starr

Bethlehem, PA

#206 Aug 14, 2007
Jihann wrote:
Prico; If you knew them so well tell us what happened? See you when we get there? Are you planning on meeting them somewhere? Please, no teddy bears and flowers on second and Market streets? A double murder doesn't deserve any.
Are you kidding...??? How much of an idiot are you..?? See if this happens to someone you know and see how you feel. Oh, and too late, the flowers and pictures are already there. STUPID!
Devastated Family Member

Marlboro, NJ

#207 Aug 14, 2007
I have been reading some of the most ugly remarks a human being can make, and
I want to share my own thoughts regarding my cousin Jerry and his wife Carmen, not to change anyone's mind or heart, but simply to honor my own wonderful memories of them and hopefully to elevate the discussion to a more humane level.
Many of you do not believe that a good person could ever do such a bad thing...that it must have already been there deep inside his soul. I certainly understand why you might feel that way. Prior to this happening in my own family, I felt the same exact way. Now, I unfortunately realize that things are not that black and white, as in this case I know for a fact that Jerry lived his entire life as a good father, husband, citizen, friend & family member. Nothing can ever take that away, not even his own last actions. I remember what a great kid he always was. He was absolutely the best son ever, never a lick of trouble to anyone around him, ever. He was the kind of person everyone loved being around, very responsible, caring, thoughtful & kind. Prior to this incident, he definitely was NOT violent or macho. Yes, I understand that things can happen behind closed doors of a marriage, but knowing him very well for his entire 39 years, I can state unequivocally that he never displayed anything even remotely resembling abusive behavior or violent behavior. I don't expect some of you to believe that, but that's a fact. I am not the only person who can attest to this. Jerry was loyal and served his country in the military for many years. His gun was registered, but in the end that does not matter, except to support the idea that this was a desperate act of the moment and it was not premeditated.
Jerry and Carmen were struggling this last year with personal family challenges. He sought treatment for depression. He was doing what any normal person would be expected to do if they are under extreme pressure. He was not an out of control man, until that fateful moment. In the meantime, he continued to take care of his family, even bringing over his parents from NYC to help them relocate near him & his family. He always took care of everyone else. His children idolize him. Carmen never had to worry for anything...he was such a good provider all his life. They were together since 14 years of age. Even Carmen's family, who have a right to be angrier than anyone else, deeply loved Jerry and even now do not hold him out to be the "evil monster" that many assume he must have been. In fact, our families are both united in mourning this tragedy. If he was evil, he would not have been able to hide it from this many people for so many years. Someone surely would have noticed something. We only wish we knew how badly troubled he was but there really was nothing that indicated he would have ever done something this extreme. Although there is no proof whatsoever, I can only speculate that recent changes in his meds may have triggered a psychotic breakdown. Again, this is strictly speculation, but it is a possibility, knowing Jerry as I did.
People are much more complex than just being "evil monsters". If it were that simple, we would all be able to preempt family tragedies like this one.
In the end, as much as I loved Jerry, he was a man who failed to withstand the pressures of life,doing something none of us who loved him and Carmen will ever get over. While I might understand some of the angry comments, I personally remember the love and wonderful heart he gave us these all-too-brief 39 years.
Please try to understand that his friends & family cannot overlook all the good he brought us & all the love we felt for him and Carmen, even after this senseless act. I know it's hard to believe, but if you can, please try to understand that it may indeed be possible for someone to be a really good person all their lives and then in one brief moment, lose it all. May he and Carmen now rest in peace.
Jihann

AOL

#208 Aug 14, 2007
We'll take them to 2nd st. on the south side
big dawg

AOL

#209 Aug 14, 2007
spoke with him everyday/we went out with our spouses / broke bread together/ rode our bikes through the mountains ,hills and back roads of the valley/ ROLLING THUNDER will never be the same / I never saw this coming or building up/ I can ask God , WHY DID YOU LET THIS HAPPEN !?/but Gods answer will not come in a form of words / so i must rely on the fact that in this lifetime this tragic event will forever be a mistery to us all/ JERRY N CARMEN have left a void in all our hearts /they were with us for such a short while / but the memories they left behind will last us all a lifetime/ REST IS PEACE "ICE CUBE N BETTY BOO" ... WE LOVED YOU SO !
JOHN 3:16
Lucky Lucciano

Kintnersville, PA

#210 Aug 14, 2007
Tom foolery wrote:
Wonder why latinos get such a bad rep.
Lucky , you are a proud poster boy for moron of the year!
Hey Tommy boy, anytime any place big man. You got alot to say behind that keyboard, let's see how out spoken you can be face to face. You name the time and place and I'll be there. Oh, and I don't need no gun, because I'm a human weapon.
Lucky Lucciano

Kintnersville, PA

#211 Aug 14, 2007
Devastated Family Member wrote:
His gun was registered, but in the end that does not matter, except to support the idea that this was a desperate act of the moment and it was not premeditated.
Jerry and Carmen were struggling this last year with personal family challenges. He sought treatment for depression. He was doing what any normal person would be expected to do if they are under extreme pressure. He was not an out of control man, until that fateful moment. In the meantime, he continued to take care of his family, even bringing over his parents from NYC to help them relocate near him & his family. He always took care of everyone else. His children idolize him. Carmen never had to worry for anything...he was such a good provider all his life. They were together since 14 years of age. Even Carmen's family, who have a right to be angrier than anyone else, deeply loved Jerry and even now do not hold him out to be the "evil monster" that many assume he must have been. In fact, our families are both united in mourning this tragedy. If he was evil, he would not have been able to hide it from this many people for so many years. Someone surely would have noticed something. We only wish we knew how badly troubled he was but there really was nothing that indicated he would have ever done something this extreme. Although there is no proof whatsoever, I can only speculate that recent changes in his meds may have triggered a psychotic breakdown. Again, this is strictly speculation, but it is a possibility, knowing Jerry as I did.
People are much more complex than just being "evil monsters". If it were that simple, we would all be able to preempt family tragedies like this one.
In the end, as much as I loved Jerry, he was a man who failed to withstand the pressures of life,doing something none of us who loved him and Carmen will ever get over. While I might understand some of the angry comments, I personally remember the love and wonderful heart he gave us these all-too-brief 39 years.
Please try to understand that his friends & family cannot overlook all the good he brought us & all the love we felt for him and Carmen, even after this senseless act. I know it's hard to believe, but if you can, please try to understand that it may indeed be possible for someone to be a really good person all their lives and then in one brief moment, lose it all. May he and Carmen now rest in peace.
My thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family. I served the last 8 years in the guard with Jerry. I was really good friends with him and his wife, and you're totally right. No one will ever comprehend or fully understand why this tragic incident happened. But it doesn't matter what these loser ass people comment about Jerry, we knew the real Jerry. Don't let these a-holes hurt your feelings. They are heartless and obviously gutless pieces of garbage(yeah Tom that was directed towards you) Like I said before, You and your family are in my prayers.
it could be you

Easton, PA

#212 Aug 14, 2007
Devastated family member:
Thank you for shedding some light. Your honesty is appreciated. Saying that they had no problems and that he just snapped, wasn't realistic. Now, what you wrote makes all the sense in the world. He had to be upset about something. Depression is one of the worse illnesses that a person can suffer. You always tend to see the worse in everything. That's probably what happened to him. I think that your comment should end the nonsense and the speculation. There's more mentally ill people out there than we think. My prayers go out to all family members and friends, specially to the children and parents.
carla

Bethlehem, PA

#213 Aug 14, 2007
I feel bad that you and your family have to read the hurtful comments on this thread by strangers who dont know the people involved. No one knows what happened except those involved and god forbid it happens to one of these people on this thread.
Its a shame you feel you have to defend the deceased because of what small minded people are writing.
My prayers to you and your family.
Wanda

Allentown, PA

#214 Aug 14, 2007
Thank you so much for saying those lovely words. I served with Jerry in the Army and he was a great, responsible person and it was all about his wife Carmen and his lovely children. I also think people should not bash this site. My heart is aching everytime I think about his little timid look. Both he and Carmen did love each other very much. Please people give this family a rest and let them grieve for their beloved Jerry and Carmen. May they both rest in peace. God bless those beautiful children also.
Tom foolery

AOL

#215 Aug 14, 2007
you have no clue who they were. But I do I haved worked with carmen and she was never one to pussy foot around. she isn't here to defend herself I will. she would of turned around and told you in her own why that if you stop the bull **** you would answer her and fiends so if I was you I would stop your needling ok.

Since: Jul 07

Seattle, WA

#216 Aug 14, 2007
Thank you Devastated Family Member: Everyone can understand that mental illness - even controlled with medication - can bring tragic results. I personally thank you for clearing up alot of speculation concerning why something like this could happen. I believe myself that his military deployment probably had alot to do with his depression since that happens to so many of our military people when they return from a war zone. There are many thoughtless people in the world who make everything about race and color. I would ask Lucky also specifically to stop calling these people out simply because you are offended by what they say. Everyone will have an opinion and everyone will voice it - that is the way the world is. To buy into that and respond with violence is definitely not the answer and not the way to pay homage to your friend's memory. Please let the dead rest in peace and the living get on with the picking up the pieces! Some answers will never be known in life!
LV toilet

AOL

#218 Aug 14, 2007
Way to go Tom..

Since: Jun 07

Breinigsville, PA

#219 Aug 14, 2007
Devastated Family Member - My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family at this most difficult time.
sad and upset

Bloomsburg, PA

#220 Aug 14, 2007
Tom Foolery has no heart and no soul.... its ok what goes around comes around.

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