Police use stun gun on man in Musikfe...

Police use stun gun on man in Musikfest altercation

There are 103 comments on the The Morning Call story from Aug 4, 2009, titled Police use stun gun on man in Musikfest altercation. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

A man who pushed a state police horse at Musikfest touched off a Main Street melee in which police had to use a stun gun on his brother because he tried to take an officer's gun, authorities said.

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XM Fan

Millersburg, PA

#42 Aug 4, 2009
HardeHarHar wrote:
"When you go for an officer's gun, he's authorized to use deadly force. All bets are off,'' Kimock said". This lunatic is just itching to shoot someone. How did he get promoted to Lieutenant?
Go for my gun and see what happens.
resident

Bethlehem, PA

#43 Aug 4, 2009
I agree these 2 were definately knuckleheads, but come on, do we really need cops to be on horseback in this day. I can see maybe 100 years ago but in today's society, that's just cruelty to animals. How would the cops like people riding on their backs all day long...These animals that can't talk back to tell you to get the hell off of them. If the cops want to be that close to people get on your damn bicycles and get some exercise you fat bastards...
MotoGP

Dodge Center, MN

#44 Aug 4, 2009
Americaplatz and Hiddenplatz( sun inn) are the only dose I need if I venture from my house to the mayhem. Everything west and south of those two BLOWS!
Yes

Quakertown, PA

#45 Aug 4, 2009
tom wrote:
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Many can go to an event, enjoy a cold beer on a hot August evening, have a good time and go home without incident, or destroying their lives as you say. Any event where there are a thousand people gathered you can expect a moron in the group. Same for sports events, concerts, etc. Actually, with the amount of people that attend this event, there is a very small percentage of problems.
Well said
Yes

Quakertown, PA

#46 Aug 4, 2009
resident wrote:
I agree these 2 were definately knuckleheads, but come on, do we really need cops to be on horseback in this day. I can see maybe 100 years ago but in today's society, that's just cruelty to animals. How would the cops like people riding on their backs all day long...These animals that can't talk back to tell you to get the hell off of them. If the cops want to be that close to people get on your **** bicycles and get some exercise you fat bastards...
Yes horse mounted police often used for crowd control:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mounted_police

“Too soon old, too late smart..”

Since: Feb 07

Bethlehem, PA

#47 Aug 4, 2009
NHampton Resident wrote:
This mess under the bridge in Bethlehem has gotten way out of control and is one of the reasons that locals opt to stay the heck away. Absolutely echo the kudos to the police (including the horse) for the outstanding show of self control. How dare anyone go for an officers weapon! This could have been so much worse. Fest organizers.. are you reading these comments??? Do something to control your event and those who attend!
I also am extremely grateful for the excellent handling by the police. My daughter & I happened to be walking from the "eastern end" of the West Side to visit family living on Church St. as this incident was happening. We live closer than we could find parking, so we avoid moving the car more than necessary during the "Fest". The most direct route is through this section of Main St. There could easily has been gunfire because of these jerks, but the police were calm & cool and handled things in the safest manner possible.
My parent on Church St cannot go anywhere alone during the "Fest" because of the rough jostling of the crowds. It has gotten much rougher than it was in the first many years, and has lost its appeal for me.
Mike

United States

#48 Aug 4, 2009
I hate to bring this up but I wonder if the guy had been black or Latin if the cop would have shot him with his gun instead of tasering? Not saying that he SHOULD have shot the white kid (and I'm assuming these brothers were not brotha's) but cops to get a bit angry when the darkies act up. Just a thought!

“Too soon old, too late smart..”

Since: Feb 07

Bethlehem, PA

#49 Aug 4, 2009
resident wrote:
I agree these 2 were definately knuckleheads, but come on, do we really need cops to be on horseback in this day. I can see maybe 100 years ago but in today's society, that's just cruelty to animals. How would the cops like people riding on their backs all day long...These animals that can't talk back to tell you to get the hell off of them. If the cops want to be that close to people get on your **** bicycles and get some exercise you fat bastards...
Seemed to me that the most visible police presence was provided by the mounted officers. The cruiser & motorcycle we watched headed from Conestoga St. to the incident struggled to get through the crowd without running into anyone. An officer on a bicycle would have been invisible. I was really happy to see the mounted officers present. They not only can be seen, they can actually see into the crowd - I think they are wonderful.
I also cringe thinking of the lack of social & mental development that would cause people to be so amused by things that more appropriately amuse toddlers, whom we count on growing out of that stage.
Taxpayer Revolution

Allentown, PA

#50 Aug 4, 2009
The police should have held their heads in a portapotty!
Taxpayer Revolution

Allentown, PA

#51 Aug 4, 2009
Mike wrote:
I hate to bring this up but I wonder if the guy had been black or Latin if the cop would have shot him with his gun instead of tasering? Not saying that he SHOULD have shot the white kid (and I'm assuming these brothers were not brotha's) but cops to get a bit angry when the darkies act up. Just a thought!
When they do act up, it's usually not just pushing involved, so your point is a moot one at best.

Though as they went for the officer's gun, deadly force would have been justified.
Taxpayer Revolution

Allentown, PA

#52 Aug 4, 2009
HardeHarHar wrote:
"When you go for an officer's gun, he's authorized to use deadly force. All bets are off,'' Kimock said". This lunatic is just itching to shoot someone. How did he get promoted to Lieutenant?
Please tell me you are joking.

Why else would a perp go for a gun unless they intended to use it?

As such, deadly force IS justified.

Try going for my gun and see what happens you dolt.
Taxpayer Revolution

Allentown, PA

#53 Aug 4, 2009
Broke wrote:
and for the rest of you who are just hatin' on the musikfest... guess what! no one cares!
lock your little hermit self up in your room, turn out the lights, pull the blinds down, put up the gates and security alarms... the fest is coming!! haha. losers.
you're the type of person that will end up spending your golden olden years in a senior living home, and loving every minute of it.
apparently bethelhem is too much of a city for ya'.
p.s. i wouldn't recommend traveling. you could get an ouchie!:O
Thanks, I could well do without $8 beer.

Musikfest=Scam!

They charge $8 for beer and still get state grant money!

Lunacy!
republimatic

Allentown, PA

#54 Aug 4, 2009
Sarah-Sally wrote:
<quoted text>
Seemed to me that the most visible police presence was provided by the mounted officers. The cruiser & motorcycle we watched headed from Conestoga St. to the incident struggled to get through the crowd without running into anyone. An officer on a bicycle would have been invisible. I was really happy to see the mounted officers present. They not only can be seen, they can actually see into the crowd - I think they are wonderful.
I also cringe thinking of the lack of social & mental development that would cause people to be so amused by things that more appropriately amuse toddlers, whom we count on growing out of that stage.
Typical BS from you Sarah. Go stick you rhead in the sand and do us all a favor!!!
What

Easton, PA

#55 Aug 4, 2009
LV Guy wrote:
Charge a $10 entry fee for Musicfest and keep the low life away!
Never been to Musikfest - have you? How would you charge an entry fee to a festival that takes up an enormous section of a city with countless points of entry? Idiot!
nanalala

Easton, PA

#56 Aug 4, 2009
Well officer Kimock, the majority of people at Musikfest on Main Street are not thinking at all. They are too drunk because they are allowed to walk the streets of Bethlehem drinking like there is no tomorrow. Last night in my "safe neighborhood" as we were told last week, a neighbor was assaulted in front of his own home. Had it not been for some aware people in the area, he probably would have been killed. The first night of Musikfest there was a mentally deranged person roaming around the neighborhood. Those are just 2 incidents and on top of that, this whole Musikmess makes residents lives 10 days of hell as we are prisoners in our own homes. I haven't moved my car at all since Sunday and won't until the whole thing is over. Forget any appointments you have, if you go when you get home you'll probably have to pay to park, even though you already pay for a residential parking permit. Why do we put our police officers and horses in more jeopardy over a stupid fest? It makes no sense. Hey, maybe one of those police horses would come to pick up my son for his doctor appointment!
Charles Xavier

Philadelphia, PA

#57 Aug 4, 2009
lucky he wasnt shot dead for reaching for his gun.
East Texas Resident

Philadelphia, PA

#58 Aug 4, 2009
Mike wrote:
I hate to bring this up but I wonder if the guy had been black or Latin if the cop would have shot him with his gun instead of tasering? Not saying that he SHOULD have shot the white kid (and I'm assuming these brothers were not brotha's) but cops to get a bit angry when the darkies act up. Just a thought!
Oh, stop, please! I would imagine that if someone is grabbing for a cop's gun, he's not going to take the time to think. "Hey, this is a white guy, so I'll just tazer his arse." or "Hey, it's a black guy (or Hispanic). I can shoot him." I don't care who reaches for a cop's gun, like they said "all bets are off." If the guy gets shot, he gets shot.
batman

AOL

#59 Aug 4, 2009
lucky he was not shot dead like the other guy in a similar incident reported by CNN,

guy took police stun gun and police shot him dead

kudos to the police for restraint on the deadly force option
Accountability

Allentown, PA

#60 Aug 4, 2009
If this cop had used his gun there would be an official investigation. I'm not saying he wasn't justified in using the stun gun. But there has to be the same kind of accountability. Callahan described a victim of a stun gun as "writhing in pain." That could be you, your friend, or your son if the cop makes a mistake. There has to be an investigation to make sure the cops don't make mistakes. They're human, after all. And as citizens we have a responsibility to hold them accountable.
Bryan 3620

Northampton, PA

#61 Aug 4, 2009
Accountability wrote:
If this cop had used his gun there would be an official investigation. I'm not saying he wasn't justified in using the stun gun. But there has to be the same kind of accountability. Callahan described a victim of a stun gun as "writhing in pain." That could be you, your friend, or your son if the cop makes a mistake. There has to be an investigation to make sure the cops don't make mistakes. They're human, after all. And as citizens we have a responsibility to hold them accountable.
The guy is not dead.
There IS an "official investigation" any time a cop uses "force". They get the person medical treatment...fill out the paperwork...and it gets looked over by the Sgt...L.T..Cpt...all the way up.
Tasers are a good thing for cops. But, they are not any higher on the "Use of Force" chart as OC spray or batons.
This is really simple...Don't fight with police and you will never have to get hit with the taser.

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