Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

[Guppy]

No Relativism wrote:

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When foo's daughter wanted waffles instead of pancakes, Foo would stomp on the pancakes with her combat boots.

She's sounds like an incredible woman..........

[Guppy]

elise in burque wrote:

<quoted text>Some of us are strong enough to help ourselves and other people, too. Apparently, you are not. That's okay.

I'm curious.

How did you help these other women?

[sasssylicious]

Katie wrote:

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You should try script writing, JM. Really. You have the imagination for it. I think you're being harsh with Ocean because she showed the other side of the rainbow you promise with motherhood. You forget to mention there's seldom a pot of gold there. Ocean reminded people.

and here it is folks ......"there's seldom a pot of gold there" .

Sorry but I wholeheartedly disagree with you. There was a pot of gold for me. My children are the blessings that I never thought possible. Not ALL find motherhood loathsome .

I feel sorry for you people. I really do.

[No Relativism]

Katie wrote:

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The hypothetical stemmed from the legal moment fetus becomes child. So the question always pertained to the physiological moment fetus becomes newborn. For the past few months you and others have employed the Born Alive Act as "proof" of the errors of my ways. You've both gone on and on and on and on about it as if your last breath depended upon you being right and me wrong.
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Yes, I did say that. Did not deny saying it. Never said the claim of the cord NOT being cut made any difference in the legalities of when fetus becomes baby. THAT was never the subject. So you proved nothing about nothing. Yay you!
While you and NR were creaming your jeans and using the Born Alive Act pertaining to the legalities of when fetus becomes infant, you were forgetting one important factor. The hypothetical question NEVER involved more than the physiological changes between fetus and newborn. It stemmed from all the claims of *when* fetus legally becomes newborn and has civil rights and personhood attached (at birth). You guys boo-hooed this due to moral reasons.
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Then put your money where your mouth is and prove it. If you're so damn sure I'm lying, then you will easily be able to prove it by comparing posts from the initial conversation all the up to yesterday.
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...And...? This has to do with what? The physiological changes between fetus and newborn? How it starts the circulatory system to work on its own, separate from the umbilical cord and the woman to whom it'd been attached? Definitely a physiological difference.
<quoted text>Perhaps so. I wasn't arguing this point. I was discussing the hypothetical magical moment fetus physiologically becomes baby. Somewhere along the way, in your attempt to disprove me, discredit me, plain old dis me, it's obvious you forgot the topic being discussed. It happens. Not going to sweat it.
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Hey, loudmouth. Nobody cares if you think my answer to the hypothetical is not to your liking. What you've done for the last year or so is give claim(s) that I said something I didn't. You've accused me of all kind of atrocities (infanticide for one) and just had a grand time thinking you're getting one over on me by making sh*t up that sounds good to you.

Katie, I presented to Born Alive Infant Protection Act to correct your following statements posted last week http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/T833...

"fetus adjusting to life outside the womb is a process" -Katie

"medical fact a stillborn is technically considered a fetus because it didn't take its first breath" -Katie

"Legally, that magical moment of fetus becoming newborn is upon a complete birth (when baby's breathing and the cord is cut).
It is that simple." -Katie

Again, the BAIPA proves you wrong on each & every count. Your post was from last week, so I'm not sure why you're bringing in an old hypothetical. Your statements above are statements of "medical fact" & and "legally"....not 'opinions' to a hypothetical.

I think the reason you're bringing up your hypothetical gobbledygook again, is in a futile attempt to wiggle away from obvious errors.
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Born Alive Infant Protection Action

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ207/...

[sasssylicious]

elise in burque wrote:

<quoted text>The only reproductive system you have to monitor is your own. While you certainly have a right to sound off other women's choices or behaviors, as you see them, you do not have a right to deny them abortion rights based upon your perceptions.

LOL tell(about monitoring other womens reproductive systems. She seems to think that some abortions are unnecessary)...perhaps even yours). that to honeyfoofoo whos on a mission to save the day...like underdog.

Abortion is killing a humans life. Yep, you evil heartless women need to stop.

[Gtown71]

Katie wrote:

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The medical definition of abortion is this; pregnancy ending prior to term. Any pregnant woman will one day not be pregnant (with the exception of "stone babies" that remain in utero for years without ill effect). Some see no difference between spontaneous and induced abortion. Some do. It makes little difference because abortion only means pregnancy ending prior to term.
Regarding the gal in the news with her dying fetus not being removed and causing her death, yes it would be abortion because pregnancy ended prior to term. Induce abortion on a dying fetus, what do you have? A combination?

I remember when our baby died. It was sad to have seen and heard the heart beating, and to not see or hear the heart beating a few days later. The doctor told her, that she should pass the child, but if not, then they may have to do a DNC, and remove the child. I don't view this as abortion. I do view the child dying as abortion or miscarry.

If a child has died inside the womb,and the doctors have to go in and remove the child, I don't see how that would be viewed the same way as having a healthy woman, who is carring a healthy baby, and then stopping the heart from beating.

Like I've said, I fully understand how some may wish to have an abortion, but the numbers show that most abortions are done as a way of very late birth control.

[sasssylicious]

No Relativism wrote:

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FooManSpew: "Yeah, I'm Jewish. I actually BELIEVE in my faith. I'm funny that way."
You do not follow the teachings of your faith.

EXACTLY!

She even supports elective abortion as choice when her religion forbids it.

Oh, and not only that but she mocks her daughter and gfs religion too.

She's a freakin joke and a half.

[Guppy]

sasssylicious wrote:

<quoted text> LOL tell(about monitoring other womens reproductive systems. She seems to think that some abortions are unnecessary)...perhaps even yours). that to honeyfoofoo whos on a mission to save the day...like underdog.
Abortion is killing a humans life. Yep, you evil heartless women need to stop.

I bet if your teenage daughter were pregnant, you would break a leg trying to get her to the abortion doctor as soon as possible.
You evil, heartless woman.

[Katie]

sasssylicious wrote:

<quoted text>and here it is folks ......"there's seldom a pot of gold there" .
Sorry but I wholeheartedly disagree with you. There was a pot of gold for me. My children are the blessings that I never thought possible. Not ALL find motherhood loathsome .
I feel sorry for you people. I really do.

What? Am glad you found your pot of gold. Not saying nobody does. There's two or more sides here. Being self-referential in every situation is very limiting, JM. Myopic.

[Katie]

No Relativism wrote:

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Katie, I presented to Born Alive Infant Protection Act to correct your following statements posted last week http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/T833...
"fetus adjusting to life outside the womb is a process" -Katie
"medical fact a stillborn is technically considered a fetus because it didn't take its first breath" -Katie
"Legally, that magical moment of fetus becoming newborn is upon a complete birth (when baby's breathing and the cord is cut).
It is that simple." -Katie
Again, the BAIPA proves you wrong on each & every count. Your post was from last week, so I'm not sure why you're bringing in an old hypothetical. Your statements above are statements of "medical fact" & and "legally"....not 'opinions' to a hypothetical.
I think the reason you're bringing up your hypothetical gobbledygook again, is in a futile attempt to wiggle away from obvious errors.
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Born Alive Infant Protection Action
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ207/...

Goody goody gumdrops.

The End!

[sasssylicious]

Guppy wrote:

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I bet if your teenage daughter were pregnant, you would break a leg trying to get her to the abortion doctor as soon as possible.
You evil, heartless woman.

What? I am against abortion.

[sasssylicious]

Katie wrote:

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What? Am glad you found your pot of gold. Not saying nobody does. There's two or more sides here. Being self-referential in every situation is very limiting, JM. Myopic.

Huh?

Katie, everything in life has its ups and downs. Motherhood has its challenges but you people completely make it out to be a negative experience. I can't relate to that. I cherish my family. I thank God EVERYDAY, many times a day, for my blessings.

[Guppy]

sasssylicious wrote:

<quoted text> What? I am against abortion.

You are against abortion for other people.

[Katie]

sasssylicious wrote:

<quoted text> Huh?
Katie, everything in life has its ups and downs. Motherhood has its challenges but you people completely make it out to be a negative experience. I can't relate to that. I cherish my family. I thank God EVERYDAY, many times a day, for my blessings.

If you can't relate to other women's issues, you've no business trying to remove their civil rights to personal privacy and bodily autonomy. Especially since you have zero experience or perspective of what other lives entail. Not everyone is living life the way you are. You might try to relate to that in the future, JM.

[elise in burque]

Guppy wrote:

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I'm curious.
How did you help these other women?

I volunteer at a couple of charitable organizations and donate to several charities. Lots of people do it. You could, too, if you wanted to.

[elise in burque]

sasssylicious wrote:

<quoted text>and here it is folks ......"there's seldom a pot of gold there" .
Sorry but I wholeheartedly disagree with you. There was a pot of gold for me. My children are the blessings that I never thought possible. Not ALL find motherhood loathsome .
I feel sorry for you people. I really do.

"... you people..." What people are you talking about?

[elise in burque]

sasssylicious wrote:

<quoted text> LOL tell(about monitoring other womens reproductive systems. She seems to think that some abortions are unnecessary)...perhaps even yours). that to honeyfoofoo whos on a mission to save the day...like underdog.
Abortion is killing a humans life. Yep, you evil heartless women need to stop.

We're just advocating for a woman's right to have all reproductive choices open to her. Why do we need to stop?

[sasssylicious]

Guppy wrote:

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You are against abortion for other people.

I am against abortion. Period.

[elise in burque]

Katie wrote:

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What? Am glad you found your pot of gold. Not saying nobody does. There's two or more sides here. Being self-referential in every situation is very limiting, JM. Myopic.

I don't think she'll understand what that means. Seriously.

[sasssylicious]

elise in burque wrote:

<quoted text>"... you people..." What people are you talking about?

People who find motherhood a negative thing. Like you. You aborted your child instead of giving the child to a family who would love her.