Obama war views are troubling

In writing about the enthusiasm generated by Barack Obama 's campaign, media critic Norman Soloman wisely reminds us, "The best way to avoid becoming disillusioned is not to have illusions in the first place." ... Full Story
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Since: Nov 07

AMERICA

#1 Jul 31, 2008
it's amazing to me that the american people aren't outraged at bush for even getting us in this illegal war and costing us a fortune that could be used for america. this isn't even mentioning the loss of our soldiers to fight a battle over nothing less than oil. obama will have to clean up bushs mess. however he chooses to do it will be fine with america. we cannot sustain the financial hemoraging any more.

“If The Shoe Fits”

Since: Feb 08

Medina, Ohio

#2 Jul 31, 2008
We have two choices. Obama's idea to negotiate a peaceful solution with Iraq to end this war and get out. Let us not forget that this war is totally illegal to begin with. Plus Obama would like to try to negotiate with the other countries in the middle east to create a more stable and peaceful enviroment. Then there is McCain. He doesn't really want to end this war or to leave Iraq. He believes that we should take the position of occupiers. Totally against everything that America stands for. He wants to expand the war in the middle east. Attack Iran. All with Israels blessing. Think about it or research the facts. McCain is in Israels back pocket. Don't believe it. Do you think that Leiberman is constantly breathing over his shoulder because he likes the guy? McCain is a hawk who believes that peaceful solutions can only be obtained through war. Billions have been flushed down the toilet over this unconstitutional war. What do you think that the cost will be when we attack Iran?
John Birch

United States

#4 Jul 31, 2008
I just love you people who call this an "illegal war". What in the world are you talking about? "Illegal" by whose definition? You apparently know nothing about the War Powers Act.
Just a little reminder...we have not had a "legal" (declared) war since WWII. You'll never get Congress to vote for a declaration of war again....ever.
Speaking to the article; you will see Obama moderate his Iraq stance (and already have). When he is elected (and I believe he will be), he will learn much more about national security issues and find out idealistic approaches can't work. The world is full of bad people who don't think like we do, no matter how much we'd like to think so. You can't just "buy the world a Coke" and think everything will be OK. That's just reality. No harm in trying for idealism, but you have to realize that at this point naive idealism is just going to be taken advantage of by others at this stage of world evolution. Still, Obama might be a good start down the right path. Don't expect instant success across the board, however. The guy is going to inherit a world-wide mess, unable to be solved by a shining US example.
Denise

Doncaster, UK

#5 Jul 31, 2008
Two swift boat books attacking Barack Obama are out now. This election is just getting tough.

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lynnette

Lamoni, IA

#7 Jul 31, 2008
thank you Denise for the very valuable link to the UK site - lots of interesting stuff there - better than the heavy-handed US press, but leaves one needing to know more - about UK political details, anyhow. I can't stand Cameron, and how can a person be a pompous playboy (Clegg). So that leaves me stuck with Brown, with whom I am not happy either. How desperate I am - I was a S. Royal fan and now I like Sarcozy -- at least for entertainment value. Afraid I liked Tony Blair for entertainment value also - I watched PM?time at dreadfully late or early hours to see him do in little David, but I get bored by Brown at ll am. I think I am for Mrs. Pritchard, or that guy in Yes, Minister, and Yes, Prime Minester... Not,. however, for Mr. UrquaRD (SP) IN hOUSE OF cARDS AND TO PLAY THE KING. sORRY, MY CAP LOCK IS REBELLING ON ME. ANYHOW, WE GET GOOD BBC POLITICAL PROGRAMS HERE.
lynnette

Lamoni, IA

#8 Jul 31, 2008
conquered the capslock, i hope, but forgive lower case for everything - preventive measure. i very much liked the original letter that started this discussion. the writer was correct in warning us not to be illusioned in the first place about obama. no one would get as far as he has, or still be competitive, without heading for the mainstream channels of american public opinion and historical american policy, flaws and all. for those who oppose the war in iraq, be prepared with heavy winter clothing and candles, for candlelight vigils. i think the silent, respectful mass demonstration, with no signs or slogans or outburst of any kind, is the most effective thing for the tv visuals to be favorable. these pink ladies shouting out at the end of congressional hearings are negligible in effect, at best, and maybe counterproductive. i liked the style and tone of the letter, and the analysis and documentation of the argument. I liked the good-intentions and the complement paid to the reader that we were smart enough to get it. so my thanks to the letter-writer, and to any intelligent person who comes along to post a comment that is a helpful continuation of the original thesis, and evidence.
lynnette

Lamoni, IA

#9 Jul 31, 2008
I just hope that we are not (worst-case scenario) in a replay of a LBJ-Barry Goldwater choice, forced to vote for LBJ to avoid a totally over-the-top policy (like nuclear war, or invading a strong country like China or Iran),. yet having to wait for a war of attrition and a peace-movement of painful slowness to come to the show-down, as it did - temporarily when LBJ withdrew in l968 - only to rresume under Nixon and play on and on until the impeachment and the Ford inter-regnum.(Not that Carter reined - Reagan did, however, and we had to go through it in Central America). I am for Obama as the lesser of two evils, easily. What a low standard! He was only my 5th choice, after Biden, Edwards, Chuck Hagel, and anyonebutHillary. I met Obama twice and talked with him briefly, and liked his courtesy and sunniness - he was campaigning in southern Iowa in the autumn before the January Iowa caucuses. Of what I know about his votes and policy positions, there is much that is specific tha I like and agree with. There are a few recent things I mildly disagree with and can tolerate, because of the things I agree with and am very pleased about (his pledge to reverse Bush executive orders that violate the Constitutional limits on Presidential powers). But I share the letter-writers concerns about foreign policy, and will look very carefully at the message sent by Obama's choice for VP. Hillary or Bayh would not please me at all. Kaine or Kathleen S. are too unknown to me, as far as any foreign policy views are concerned. Biden - or Hagel - would reassure me tremendously. I know this is too long for everybody else, but I direct this more to Denise in the UK and any Americans who are capable of a bit of detachment, and non-emotional consideration of what we are going to be in for for the next four years. McCain, of course, is unacceptable, partly because his campaign shows his very nasty character to be a steady state, and not just an occasional flash of hot, over-the-top temper, although that is even more troubling when it relates to a crisis situation. Partly because he is either dumn, uninformed, careless, or senile, or so over-focused on appearances that he pays no attention to the falseness (not trueness, let alone deliberate lies) of so much of what he says. I have no trouble considering whether he is on the decline toward dementia. I have no trouble considering when Reagan began his decline. And I have no trouble recognizing the similarities. McCain had better pick a very capable VicePresident (and in all good faith, may I suggest Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa, who is at least a decent man and a traditional conservative, and not a war-monger, or careless with the truth as he knows it).
lynnette

Lamoni, IA

#10 Jul 31, 2008
sorry, didn't edit for punctuation, spelling, grammar, or politeness. in sleepiness, veritas!
Sick of it

Easton, PA

#11 Jul 31, 2008
Obamas foreign affairs experience is better than it was last week, remember he went to the concert in Germany and to the gym. Way to go Nobama. Now he is qualified to lead this country!
Look Around

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Jul 31, 2008
The more you get a chance to see "the News" from other places around the world the better your chances of drawing some conclusions about what's going on. DW-TV is another interesting source found on your satellite or at DW-World.de FSTV, Free Speech TV, is another interesting source of news that never makes it to the airwaves. FSTV is available on satellite also. It's not that our news is so bad, it just misses a lot of what's going on in the world. In an effort to seem politically neutral, our news tries to present opposing sides as relatively equal when they are anything but equal. As a result, serious challenges to a balance of power go under reported or not reported at all. To an embarrassing degree for an open democracy, our news seems more managed than some others, and what passes for news on the FOX channel and talk radio is getting dangerously close to the kind of propaganda thought only possible in the old Soviet Union. It's hard to imagine that ANYONE would want to "stay the course" we've been on, but some people have done quite nicely since the GOP started running the country in 1994.
Curtis Lowe Life

Philadelphia, PA

#13 Jul 31, 2008
Oh, Curtis, is your post an attempt to give Clinton credit for getting rid of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction by calling in air strikes? Your man, W, couldn't seem to find any Iraqi WMD while he was playing "War Time President. Still hasn't! Still counting the days since Mission Accomplished! Still counting the casualties! Still counting the days to Jan. 20, 2009.

“The enemy is in our camp.”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#14 Jul 31, 2008
BELFASTBOB wrote:
it's amazing to me that the american people aren't outraged at bush for even getting us in this illegal war and costing us a fortune that could be used for america. this isn't even mentioning the loss of our soldiers to fight a battle over nothing less than oil. obama will have to clean up bushs mess. however he chooses to do it will be fine with america. we cannot sustain the financial hemoraging any more.
Do you have Alzheimer's disease? Everyone HAS been outraged at that; but we are there and we can't just up and stop at the drop of a pin. What about all those who suffered and died in the war? It would be a giant slap in their faces.

I don't think Obama was even a Boy Scout, much less ever put on a uniform that could place him in harms way. The closest he ever came to harms way was marrying his wife. Now that looks like a battleground to me.
Anonymous

Pleasanton, CA

#15 Jul 31, 2008
Curtis Lowe Life wrote:
Oh, Curtis, is your post an attempt to give Clinton credit for getting rid of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction by calling in air strikes? Your man, W, couldn't seem to find any Iraqi WMD while he was playing "War Time President. Still hasn't! Still counting the days since Mission Accomplished! Still counting the casualties! Still counting the days to Jan. 20, 2009.
Don't you point out that if Clinton bombed biological and nuclear weapon facilities then the info that Bush had to invade was also accurate - to the extent that it was collected?

Let me guess. The Clinton invasion scared Saddam straight and he broke up all illegal activities?
walt

Lawrenceville, GA

#16 Jul 31, 2008
Curtis Lowe Life wrote:
Oh, Curtis, is your post an attempt to give Clinton credit for getting rid of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction by calling in air strikes? Your man, W, couldn't seem to find any Iraqi WMD while he was playing "War Time President. Still hasn't! Still counting the days since Mission Accomplished! Still counting the casualties! Still counting the days to Jan. 20, 2009.
Good job!!
Bob

Fogelsville, PA

#18 Jul 31, 2008
A-Patriot wrote:
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Do you have Alzheimer's disease? Everyone HAS been outraged at that; but we are there and we can't just up and stop at the drop of a pin. What about all those who suffered and died in the war? It would be a giant slap in their faces.
I don't think Obama was even a Boy Scout, much less ever put on a uniform that could place him in harms way. The closest he ever came to harms way was marrying his wife. Now that looks like a battleground to me.
No one is suggesting getting out at the drop of a pin, that's just another strawman for those incapable of arguing facts. Obama favors drawing down by several brigades a month, and having us out by 2010. I have news for you, most of the military and their families want us out by then too.

And spare me your childish insults about the candidate and his wife. Like your candidate, you're policy positions are incoherent, so you feel the need to turn every discussion into a personal attack. McCain has run the filthiest campaign in recent memory, hopefully the public will realize it's all he's got.
greynomo

Slatington, PA

#19 Jul 31, 2008
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is suggesting getting out at the drop of a pin, that's just another strawman for those incapable of arguing facts. Obama favors drawing down by several brigades a month, and having us out by 2010. I have news for you, most of the military and their families want us out by then too.
And spare me your childish insults about the candidate and his wife. Like your candidate, you're policy positions are incoherent, so you feel the need to turn every discussion into a personal attack. McCain has run the filthiest campaign in recent memory, hopefully the public will realize it's all he's got.
Bob, Bob, Bob, I've been looking for you. Great post! I go back to work Monday so please keep up the good fight.

“It's Evolution Baby.....”

Since: Feb 07

Allentown Pa

#20 Jul 31, 2008
Shoe wrote:
Then there is McCain. He doesn't really want to end this war or to leave Iraq. He believes that we should take the position of occupiers. Totally against everything that America stands for.
But not against everything the Republican party stands for.

I have a postcard from pagop.org that proudly states that Republicans "believe democracy should flourish throughout the world."

Now how do you suppose they're going to accomplish that goal?
Crystal Clear

Coram, NY

#21 Jul 31, 2008
1. War wasn't illegal. It was continuation of 1991, and for good reasons.

2. 1991 was all about oil and WMDs and should have been. Has anyone noticed lately the strategic importance of oil? Japan launched 12/7/41 attacks as preliminary moves before advancing to seize SE Asian oil fields.

3. Saddam was a too-smart-by-half dictator who liked to bluff but would murder anyone w/o warning. Do you want him in control of world strategic resource while you fighting a global war on terror?

4. Pelosi/Reed say don't drill. Takes too long, anyway. We are sitting on the answer to oil crisis and they want us out in 30 days or less.

5. So you're going to pin your hopes on a GQ model who thinks he's already president and will have a "rap star" inaugural ball. Pleasant dreams.
Bob

Fogelsville, PA

#22 Jul 31, 2008
greynomo wrote:
<quoted text>Bob, Bob, Bob, I've been looking for you. Great post! I go back to work Monday so please keep up the good fight.
Hi Grey, I'm glad to hear you're all healed up! I'm especially incensed the last few days about McCain's blatant lying. He knew full well that Obama was not intending to visit Landstuhl with an entourage, but that didn't stop him from coming out and saying so. And now these commercials with Britney Spears, give me a break. I can see Karl Rove's fingerprints all over his campaign.
Rhett from Ralston

Coram, NY

#23 Jul 31, 2008
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I can see Karl Rove's fingerprints all over his campaign.
"Bob", I doubt you could see King Kong's footprints on you contact lenses.

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