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Poor soccer team lesson : The Morning Call Online

There are 55 comments on the The Morning Call story from May 6, 2007, titled Poor soccer team lesson : The Morning Call Online. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

Congratulations to the Parkland JV girls soccer team. On April 30, the team defeated the Allen JV team 17-0. Despite the Allen program being in only its third year of existence, with many of the girls having no ...

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“Tolerance and reason”

Since: Apr 07

Lehigh County

#23 May 7, 2007
Why is it apples and oranges? What has changed that makes this a different issue now than 16 years ago? Or is it that you think girls should be treated differently?
Willy K wrote:
You agree with something that happened in a boys game 16 years ago. Apples and oranges. The Parkland coach should be fired. Emmaus seems to handle these situations without any trouble and they are a far better team than Parkland. Probably could have scored 30 on the Allen JV but chose to stop at 9. Parkland's display is classless.
Willy K

Philadelphia, PA

#24 May 7, 2007
Are you for real, Tom? The game has changed dramatically in that time. Your defense of this result is very, very sad.

“Ahhhh....”

Since: Feb 07

United States

#25 May 7, 2007
PC sports...ya gotta love it!
Trumpeter

Allentown, PA

#26 May 7, 2007
Parkland also beat Allen 49 - 0 in football last fall.

Maybe Allen just isn't that good in sports?

These aren't kids anymore. They are off to college and real life in a few short years. It's a good thing that they learned that there is true competition in life.

“WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND”

Since: Apr 07

Whitehall

#27 May 7, 2007
Trumpeter wrote:
Parkland also beat Allen 49 - 0 in football last fall.
Maybe Allen just isn't that good in sports?
These aren't kids anymore. They are off to college and real life in a few short years. It's a good thing that they learned that there is true competition in life.
whats really sad, is when you go to one of these games and look at the bleachers for the other team and there are only a handful of parents there to support their kids. you cant tell me they are all at "work". its a shame for the kids.

“Tolerance and reason”

Since: Apr 07

Lehigh County

#28 May 7, 2007
In other words, you have no answer to my questions. What about the game has changed that influences this issue? Are games lower scoring? Is sportsmanship somehow different? Or are your feelings just hurt over a kids soccer game score to the degree that you want someone to lose their job?

As I said several times, I do not defend this coach IF the coach intentionally ran the score up. Does he/she have a history of this outcome? However, I am willing to consider the possibility that there may be other factors that contributed to the outcome. If you were at the game and know first-hand that the Parkland coach intentionally ran up the score, then I agree your argument has merit. Otherwise, your desire to fire someone from their livelihood over a kids game without even considering anything other than a score is close-minded and "very, very sad."
Willy K wrote:
Are you for real, Tom? The game has changed dramatically in that time. Your defense of this result is very, very sad.
Willy K

Philadelphia, PA

#29 May 7, 2007
We are talking about JV soccer. So they ARE kids. Most are 14 years old. This was unnecessary and overkill. Typical of a program that has fallen far from its formerly lofty perch under a horrible new coach.

“Tolerance and reason”

Since: Apr 07

Lehigh County

#30 May 7, 2007
Try again. It's pretty easy to find on the web that Amber McQuillan, the head grils JV soccer coach at Parkland, is also an english teacher at the HS.
Willy K wrote:
The Parkland coach is NOT a teacher. Nor is the Emmaus coach. And if there are routinely news stories, please post a link to one. High school coaches are on year-to-year contracts. That is a fact.
Willy K

Philadelphia, PA

#31 May 7, 2007
Al Haddad, the head coach who makes it clear to everyone that HE is in charge, is not a teacher. He is ALWAYS on the bench of JV games. Why you continue to beat this drum is beyond me. What other mitigating factors would you like to know about? Other teams seem to have no problem keeping the score at less than 9-0? Are you suggesting that he could be on the bench and NOT have controlled the score? If so, then he should be fired. But he was on the bench and let the score get that high. Which speaks volumes about him. He should be fired. Coaching is NOT his livelihood.

I'm still waiting for those examples you said were so numerous.

“Tolerance and reason”

Since: Apr 07

Lehigh County

#32 May 7, 2007
Clearly, you have very personal knowledge of this situation and have a real problem with the specific people involved. You have not made that clear until now. I don't know the people involved and can't judge your specific circumstances, I can only rely on the letter in the paper. This is why my comments have always been qualified for generic circumstances; the majority on this thread seem to agree.

Beyond that, just providing info and correcting misstatements. The examples you wanted were posted hours ago, read back, I'm sure if you want to you'll find them.
Willy K wrote:
Al Haddad, the head coach who makes it clear to everyone that HE is in charge, is not a teacher. He is ALWAYS on the bench of JV games. Why you continue to beat this drum is beyond me. What other mitigating factors would you like to know about? Other teams seem to have no problem keeping the score at less than 9-0? Are you suggesting that he could be on the bench and NOT have controlled the score? If so, then he should be fired. But he was on the bench and let the score get that high. Which speaks volumes about him. He should be fired. Coaching is NOT his livelihood.
I'm still waiting for those examples you said were so numerous.

“Ahhhh....”

Since: Feb 07

United States

#33 May 7, 2007
So what is this all about, selfesteem?
Hey, you guys really sýck, but, we want you to feel good about it?
David-6199

United States

#34 May 7, 2007
Jim2860 wrote:
So what is this all about, selfesteem?
Hey, you guys really sýck, but, we want you to feel good about it?
You can know that you have been thrashed and shown mercy and have respect for an adversary in sporting event. You can be thrashed and shown no mercy and more than likely have contempt for your competitor. I don't see it as a self esteem issue, but as one of character and compassion.

It is a sporting event with someone from your neighborhood. Not a war.

“Ahhhh....”

Since: Feb 07

United States

#35 May 7, 2007
Personally, I would rather have someone give it their all throughout the event and defeat me as they will, than to have them show me they can toy with me and still kick my Šss.
David-6199 wrote:
<quoted text>
You can know that you have been thrashed and shown mercy and have respect for an adversary in sporting event. You can be thrashed and shown no mercy and more than likely have contempt for your competitor. I don't see it as a self esteem issue, but as one of character and compassion.
It is a sporting event with someone from your neighborhood. Not a war.
David-6199

United States

#36 May 7, 2007
Jim2860 wrote:
Personally, I would rather have someone give it their all throughout the event and defeat me as they will, than to have them show me they can toy with me and still kick my Šss.
<quoted text>
I am saying that your axx being kicked would have been evident. Their would just be no need to run up the score further. Tapping the ball over the endline would of sufficed after being up 9-0. I still have not had any one respond to a post of mine this morning. Is there a slaughter rule in soccer? I seem to recall one as much as 30 years ago.

“Tolerance and reason”

Since: Apr 07

Lehigh County

#37 May 7, 2007
David, I'm not sure if there is a slaughter rule in HS soccer. I do question the value of packing up and going home though. Kind of emphasizes the idea the score is more important than the playing. From the kids perspective, not sure what is worse: a bad score where the slaughter rule is invoked, or a worse score with no slaughter rule. Regardless of the score, the kids know they were slaughtered, but in one case they were also sent home early. I can see both sides of this though, not an easy situation either way.
David-6199 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am saying that your axx being kicked would have been evident. Their would just be no need to run up the score further. Tapping the ball over the endline would of sufficed after being up 9-0. I still have not had any one respond to a post of mine this morning. Is there a slaughter rule in soccer? I seem to recall one as much as 30 years ago.
Rickinpa

Greenville, SC

#38 May 7, 2007
Iím a licensed coach in PA and Iíd like to offer a few suggestions for the parkland coach and since I did not see the game I have no way of knowing what if anything was done, but by the tone of the letter it is obvious the writer did not see a change in tactics or an attempt to lay off. As a coach especially of a JV team the main goal (pardon the pun) should be to nurture talent. I assume the parkland girls are not all experts with their non-dominant foot, so a good coach IMHO would have his team work on that skill for one, I also assume from my experience in lop sided games such as this that the Parkland goalie(s) saw very little action, well how about letting the opposing team get off a few shots to test your defense and goalie. Is it really going to kill you if the score ends up 17-1 or 17-2? Have the girls play out of position to learn what their team mates go through in game situations. What good is a shutout to a goalie that faced zero shots on goal? I know the Allen team not only lacks experience, but also has very few subs, I would love to see some of the big mouths on here play an entire soccer match without a sub and ten minutes for water at the half. Soccer is not a sport were you get to rest especially when you are overmatched. As for the moron who thinks they should just pack it in, well these kids are apparently tougher than you, that may be your response to adversity, but their willing to give it their best. The tough times they go through now will make them better in the future, but neither teamís best interest is served by running up the score. Thatís my two cents!

“WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND”

Since: Apr 07

Whitehall

#39 May 7, 2007
Rickinpa wrote:
Iím a licensed coach in PA and Iíd like to offer a few suggestions for the parkland coach and since I did not see the game I have no way of knowing what if anything was done, but by the tone of the letter it is obvious the writer did not see a change in tactics or an attempt to lay off. As a coach especially of a JV team the main goal (pardon the pun) should be to nurture talent. I assume the parkland girls are not all experts with their non-dominant foot, so a good coach IMHO would have his team work on that skill for one, I also assume from my experience in lop sided games such as this that the Parkland goalie(s) saw very little action, well how about letting the opposing team get off a few shots to test your defense and goalie. Is it really going to kill you if the score ends up 17-1 or 17-2? Have the girls play out of position to learn what their team mates go through in game situations. What good is a shutout to a goalie that faced zero shots on goal? I know the Allen team not only lacks experience, but also has very few subs, I would love to see some of the big mouths on here play an entire soccer match without a sub and ten minutes for water at the half. Soccer is not a sport were you get to rest especially when you are overmatched. As for the moron who thinks they should just pack it in, well these kids are apparently tougher than you, that may be your response to adversity, but their willing to give it their best. The tough times they go through now will make them better in the future, but neither teamís best interest is served by running up the score. Thatís my two cents!
we need more coaches like you ...i applaud you.
some girl

Emmaus, PA

#41 May 7, 2007
You don't just kick it over the end line or let them score, you still work hard... you possess the ball and work on shielding and accuracy of your passes. Most of the time after 9 goals the other teams have already given up, to continue scoring is completly pointless.
Parkland Parent

Mountain View, CA

#42 May 8, 2007
Yes, the 2nd and 3rd string were in. The defense played forward, the forwards played defense, and they had to use their left (or non-dominant) foot. What more could the coach do? Other than opt for, and be bashed for, playing "keep away". Which is quite humiliating as well. Some of the 2nd & 3rd string girls got their 1st goals of the season. Is it fair to tell them they can't score despite all the rules they were playing under? Those girls are fighting to prove themselves within their own team. Unlike other schools in the area, they don't just "sign up" for the team. Many girls are cut, others get just one season to prove themselves - then get cut.

“WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND”

Since: Apr 07

Whitehall

#44 May 8, 2007
anybody go to the whitehall vs. parkland soccer game yesterday??? now thats what i call a game.

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