Senecas, Salamanca Continue Disagreem...

Senecas, Salamanca Continue Disagreements

There are 86 comments on the The Post-Journal, Jamestown New York story from Feb 10, 2011, titled Senecas, Salamanca Continue Disagreements. In it, The Post-Journal, Jamestown New York reports that:

Despite calls to work together, Seneca Nation of Indians and Salamanca representatives can't help but accuse one another of how each is handling situations.

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#1 Feb 11, 2011
Given the past record of the SNI going back on their promises even about the insurance monies from the Fancher Furniture sale it is extremely doubtful that any working relationship can be nutured at this point. Sure there are signs all over about "Obey the Treaties" but do they-NO! As a property owner if I could I would put a match to my house on the res-that is about what it is worth under the current situation.......

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#2 Feb 11, 2011
Correction the Fancher Furniture "fire sale!"
yup

Salamanca, NY

#3 Feb 11, 2011
so grab yer zippo jump in the car and head on up.

please dont be stupid

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#4 Feb 11, 2011
Prophecynow wrote:
Given the past record of the SNI going back on their promises even about the insurance monies from the Fancher Furniture sale it is extremely doubtful that any working relationship can be nutured at this point. Sure there are signs all over about "Obey the Treaties" but do they-NO! As a property owner if I could I would put a match to my house on the res-that is about what it is worth under the current situation.......
I know the Courts said that if a home is moved that the former owner would have to place a replica back on its original foundation.
Isn't it true that if a home is lost by fire that the insurance $$ goes to the SNI?
But, with the way people walk away from their mortgages now a day with out legal repercussions it may not be such a bad idea if you are desperate.
This is the part that I do ot understand, the SNI own the land and any improvements made on the land so why are they not considered landlords, thus have to mow the lawn, trim the trees plow the driveways, fix the leaky pipes etc.?
Can someone explain this to me?

please dont be stupid

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#6 Feb 11, 2011
Remember wrote:
Such a shame that they, sni and the city, are forcing and allowing this one great place to die .
Not dead yet but on life support!

Who will decide to pull the plug?
Needtoknow

Salamanca, NY

#7 Feb 12, 2011
please dont be stupid wrote:
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I know the Courts said that if a home is moved that the former owner would have to place a replica back on its original foundation.
Isn't it true that if a home is lost by fire that the insurance $$ goes to the SNI?
But, with the way people walk away from their mortgages now a day with out legal repercussions it may not be such a bad idea if you are desperate.
This is the part that I do ot understand, the SNI own the land and any improvements made on the land so why are they not considered landlords, thus have to mow the lawn, trim the trees plow the driveways, fix the leaky pipes etc.?
Can someone explain this to me?
Yea, plus why do I have to pay , city tax, county tax and the rest of the junk if I don't own my house? Regardless, This city is going to the shits as fast as a person drinking a bottle of Malox! The best part is both parties (SNI, Salamanca Govn't) only is concerned about THEMSELVES! Not everyone as a whole! Sick and tired of being a pawn in the game of greed!

please dont be stupid

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#8 Feb 12, 2011
Needtoknow wrote:
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Yea, plus why do I have to pay , city tax, county tax and the rest of the junk if I don't own my house? Regardless, This city is going to the shits as fast as a person drinking a bottle of Malox! The best part is both parties (SNI, Salamanca Govn't) only is concerned about THEMSELVES! Not everyone as a whole! Sick and tired of being a pawn in the game of greed!
Amen!!!!!
Lease

Salamanca, NY

#9 Feb 12, 2011
please dont be stupid wrote:
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I know the Courts said that if a home is moved that the former owner would have to place a replica back on its original foundation.
Isn't it true that if a home is lost by fire that the insurance $$ goes to the SNI?
But, with the way people walk away from their mortgages now a day with out legal repercussions it may not be such a bad idea if you are desperate.
This is the part that I do ot understand, the SNI own the land and any improvements made on the land so why are they not considered landlords, thus have to mow the lawn, trim the trees plow the driveways, fix the leaky pipes etc.?
Can someone explain this to me?
The answer is: lease. Read about it.
U Agreed to Taxes

Salamanca, NY

#10 Feb 12, 2011
Needtoknow wrote:
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Yea, plus why do I have to pay , city tax, county tax and the rest of the junk if I don't own my house? Regardless, This city is going to the shits as fast as a person drinking a bottle of Malox! The best part is both parties (SNI, Salamanca Govn't) only is concerned about THEMSELVES! Not everyone as a whole! Sick and tired of being a pawn in the game of greed!
The land is leased by the City. The City decided to charter with the State. Therefore, you pay the taxes appropriate for anyone who agrees to this arrangement via residing in the City as a non-Seneca. Short answer is: you agreed to pay these taxes upon the purchase, inheritance, acquisition of your home and signage of the 40/40 lease.

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#11 Feb 13, 2011
yup wrote:
so grab yer zippo jump in the car and head on up.
Will a Bic lighter do?

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#12 Feb 13, 2011
Lease wrote:
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The answer is: lease. Read about it.
You remind me of an old school teacher in class. If he or she did not know the answer they replied "read it in the book." In your case it is "read it in the lease." Your alleged knowledge does not impress me.
yup

Salamanca, NY

#13 Feb 13, 2011
Only if purchased at a smoke shop here. LOL

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#14 Feb 13, 2011
please dont be stupid wrote:
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I know the Courts said that if a home is moved that the former owner would have to place a replica back on its original foundation.
Isn't it true that if a home is lost by fire that the insurance $$ goes to the SNI?
But, with the way people walk away from their mortgages now a day with out legal repercussions it may not be such a bad idea if you are desperate.
This is the part that I do ot understand, the SNI own the land and any improvements made on the land so why are they not considered landlords, thus have to mow the lawn, trim the trees plow the driveways, fix the leaky pipes etc.?
Can someone explain this to me?
Reply: The house is yours. The land is theirs. You are only leasing the land-not the house. If you wanted to dismantle your house or move it other courts have determined that this meets the law. The improvements on the land include landscaping, trees, lawn, driveway, and so forth. The loss payee on your insurance policy only includes the homeowner and any bank that may have a mortgage on the house. The check does not go to the SNI. If the house burns they have a rebuilding clause in the lease. Since the house is owned by the homeowner they are responsible for its upkeep along with all of the plumbing including the water line into; the gas lines on that property; the seweage lines on that property; and so forth.
Lease

Salamanca, NY

#15 Feb 13, 2011
Prophecynow wrote:
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Reply: The house is yours. The land is theirs. You are only leasing the land-not the house. If you wanted to dismantle your house or move it other courts have determined that this meets the law. The improvements on the land include landscaping, trees, lawn, driveway, and so forth. The loss payee on your insurance policy only includes the homeowner and any bank that may have a mortgage on the house. The check does not go to the SNI. If the house burns they have a rebuilding clause in the lease. Since the house is owned by the homeowner they are responsible for its upkeep along with all of the plumbing including the water line into; the gas lines on that property; the seweage lines on that property; and so forth.
Courts have ruled that improvements to the land remain. This was tried by SCOUT in 1990, when a few individuals attempted to move their homes. One homeowner purposefully burned their home and were prosecuted for arson and the value of the home. Some did not sign new leases and were removed. No homes or improvements were removed.

Do not pay your taxes and you will lose your home even quicker.
oh oh

Buffalo, NY

#16 Feb 13, 2011
I don't remember anyone burning their home down, but I do remember someone moving their house down the road, off of the reservation. The Seneca Nation stated that they lost one but it won't happen again!!

please dont be stupid

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#17 Feb 13, 2011
Prophecynow wrote:
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Reply: The house is yours. The land is theirs. You are only leasing the land-not the house. If you wanted to dismantle your house or move it other courts have determined that this meets the law. The improvements on the land include landscaping, trees, lawn, driveway, and so forth. The loss payee on your insurance policy only includes the homeowner and any bank that may have a mortgage on the house. The check does not go to the SNI. If the house burns they have a rebuilding clause in the lease. Since the house is owned by the homeowner they are responsible for its upkeep along with all of the plumbing including the water line into; the gas lines on that property; the seweage lines on that property; and so forth.
Finally an intelligent clarifying answer to my question and not some idiot who said to read the lease, I have and had questions! Prophecynow, your knowledge is respectful upon area matters thus, thank you for participating, and not being stupid!

Now on the under hand, read my next post.......

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#18 Feb 13, 2011
Lease wrote:
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The answer is: lease. Read about it.
Thank you for such a knowledgeable answer you DUMB ASS!
WhatIf

United States

#19 Feb 13, 2011
What if I were to deed my house over to Joe? Joe proceeds to move the house off of the reservation. If Joe does not sign a lease, is he still bound by the lease agreements to keep a house on the plot?

please dont be stupid

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#20 Feb 13, 2011
WhatIf wrote:
What if I were to deed my house over to Joe? Joe proceeds to move the house off of the reservation. If Joe does not sign a lease, is he still bound by the lease agreements to keep a house on the plot?
Interesting question; anyone have the intelligent answer?
Yeah

Salamanca, NY

#21 Feb 13, 2011
Read the Lease.

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