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Ballwin, MO

#1 Dec 13, 2012
Memorial Principal threatens kid to erase voice recording of teacher yelling at the class over an email received that parents complained about him or the kid will be arrested.
Trophy Wife

United States

#2 Dec 13, 2012
Report it to channel 6 & 10 news
Mer

United States

#3 Dec 13, 2012
Well that is against Federal Law to record anything within a school whether it be voice or video. Now if it was contained in a transmission of some sort, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
parent

Ballwin, MO

#4 Dec 13, 2012
Against the law or not. We send our kids to school and expect them to be safe. Not to be threatend or yelled at by the teacher. Not to fear from going to school
Mer

United States

#5 Dec 13, 2012
I am aware of that. I too am a parent with kids going to what they call a school in Alice. I see that quite often when I have to go to the school to get things straightened out due to someones inability to do their job correctly.

This isn't the first time I've heard this, in fact I've seen it myself. The school almost thinks that they have can bully the kids with threats.

If you remember, sometime back about the male cheerleader who was shamed into retracting his statement? That is AISD at it's finest.

Other than that, if everyone would band together and vote the school board out of office, maybe then there would be some accountability and restored order to AISD.
owned

Alice, TX

#6 Dec 13, 2012
ACTUALLY!!!! It is a public school and you can record anything you want since you can "claim" it as a lesson recording since it was in school and it happened in class during school hours!
rosie

El Monte, CA

#7 Dec 13, 2012
Hey, that's right kids can record if they want that's what stands in court.everything eles is hear say and if kid complains with out proof principle takes sides hell do for his teachers, were also getting teacher from out of town, nasty bitches hate to say one teacher once told the class she had her privets pierced did I report no cuz noboday cares.
esperanza

Ballwin, MO

#8 Dec 13, 2012
rosie wrote:
Hey, that's right kids can record if they want that's what stands in court.everything eles is hear say and if kid complains with out proof principle takes sides hell do for his teachers, were also getting teacher from out of town, nasty bitches hate to say one teacher once told the class she had her privets pierced did I report no cuz noboday cares.
where is the new teacher from?
Mer

United States

#9 Dec 13, 2012
owned wrote:
ACTUALLY!!!! It is a public school and you can record anything you want since you can "claim" it as a lesson recording since it was in school and it happened in class during school hours!
I took that same route and took it to the superintendent. That is federal law.

“SMARTER”

Since: Aug 11

MURICA

#10 Dec 13, 2012
Guys, I hope you all are never in any type of trouble.... You will be told you are wrong and you wont fight lol... ok ok ok here I go...

On the face, It is not illegal to tape record a conversation (or lecture) if the person taping is a party to that oral communication? However, it does become illegal when the taping is done with the sole intent to commit a criminal act, tortious intent or other injurious act. So, if you can show that the student intends to use the recordings for anything other than his own use for study, it does become illegal. To do that you'd need email, witness statements, etc. But if it was being used as a "Lecture recording" and the act happened at the time then it can be used however he or she wishes.... Just like youtube.... "Kinda" but if the teacher can prove that the student was only recording because the student planned on using it against him/her then it becomes illegal..

2933.52 Interception of wire, oral or electronic communications.

(4) A person who is not a law enforcement officer and who intercepts a wire, oral, or electronic communication, if the person is a party to the communication or if one of the parties to the communication has given the person prior consent to the interception, and if the communication is not intercepted for the purpose of committing a criminal offense or tortious act in violation of the laws or Constitution of the United States or this state or for the purpose of committing any other injurious act;

ok now I know its state law now lets go to the Federal Law.. those of you Alice people who don't know poop about anything.. If state law protects you Federal law can still affect you... Does that make sense to you? Okay good, In the first step, the most common issue is whether a conversation is private; most statutes only cover confidential or private communication. A general rule is that if the people engaged in the conversation can reasonably expect their conversation to remain private. Since this happened in a class room full of students it then was not a private conversation now was it?

Federal law allows recording of phone calls and other electronic communications with the consent of at least one party to the recording. Thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia have followed federal law and permit individuals to record conversations to which they are a party without informing the other parties that they are doing so. These laws are referred to as "one-party consent" statutes, and as long as you are a party to the conversation, it is legal for you to record it. All the student has to do is get permission from one other student.... shouldn't be hard?

However Don't Trust me.. And you should never ask for or believe any legal advice from anyone on topix.... Call your Lawyer.
Special Ed Instructor

United States

#12 Dec 13, 2012
payaso wrote:
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Begs the question, why was the kid recording with a cell phone in class ? This forum is so bogus that it boggles the mind of a normal intelligent person.
A real complaint would go to central office not this lame website. Read the original post people. It has more holes than a slice of Swiss cheese
Well to be honest, the whole school system I believe operates with their own set of rules.

I am aware of state and federal laws, including the 504 program also known as the Scottish Rites program and the problem they ran into when some of the students used recording devices to record lectures. There was litigation on the matter and that is when it was posted at the high school that it was against federal offense to use any type of device to record within the school.

Now I do know this to be incorrect, but the bad part is that even after the litigation is over with and you do win, the person who schemed this up will still be there.

AISD needs an enema to get rid of all of the career employees who have no idea of what it is like in the outside world.
Policy

Alice, TX

#13 Dec 13, 2012
First of all, having phones on in school is against school board policy, so already the student is in the violation and could warrant consequences. Now, is yelling or raising your voice against the law???? Noooooooope teacher did nothing wrong. Now cry me a river.
Special Ed Instructor

United States

#14 Dec 13, 2012
Policy wrote:
First of all, having phones on in school is against school board policy, so already the student is in the violation and could warrant consequences. Now, is yelling or raising your voice against the law???? Noooooooope teacher did nothing wrong. Now cry me a river.
....and this is the reason why we as parents need to get rid of most of the AISD members and faculty.
Special Ed

Alice, TX

#15 Dec 13, 2012
Yes and let's replace them with all the parents that complain. I'm sure you will do a much better job! Just look at your own children, their grades, their friends, the way they listen to YOU so well... Sure bro!!!
Special Ed Instructor

United States

#16 Dec 13, 2012
Special Ed wrote:
Yes and let's replace them with all the parents that complain. I'm sure you will do a much better job! Just look at your own children, their grades, their friends, the way they listen to YOU so well... Sure bro!!!
Well if you think the school system is ok, well more power to you. I myself am not complaining, but since there are a bunch of complaints already, why not change things rather than have the same group that have been running things continue?

No one seems to vote to make a difference during elections, so it is understandable that things stay the same. I've lived here in my youth and not long after I graduated, I left. As fate would have it, my company transferred me back to this area. I can tell you that not much has changed here.

As for my kids, they are in the top 3% of this school without even trying. The previous school they attended was far more advanced and due to the credit system, that put them a grade ahead when they transferred here.

About the only change I do see was as of recent. AISD had a discussion about the pitfalls of the oilfield. This is all fine and dandy, but there isn't really anything in Alice other than the oilfield companies. Now there are other support businesses, but when the oilfield goes down, everyone suffers.
Parent

United States

#17 Dec 13, 2012
My daughter goes to high schoo" she was bullied by 2 teachers in front of the princple she did not do anything about it and someone told me what i could do is right a letter to th aisd and give them 30 days if they dont do anything then go to the newspaper and call channel 6 or 10 this is enough that they want to get away with everything.....
jjj paralegal

Corpus Christi, TX

#20 Dec 13, 2012
Jar Jar Jar wrote:
Guys, I hope you all are never in any type of trouble.... You will be told you are wrong and you wont fight lol... ok ok ok here I go...
On the face, It is not illegal to tape record a conversation (or lecture) if the person taping is a party to that oral communication? However, it does become illegal when the taping is done with the sole intent to commit a criminal act, tortious intent or other injurious act. So, if you can show that the student intends to use the recordings for anything other than his own use for study, it does become illegal. To do that you'd need email, witness statements, etc. But if it was being used as a "Lecture recording" and the act happened at the time then it can be used however he or she wishes.... Just like youtube.... "Kinda" but if the teacher can prove that the student was only recording because the student planned on using it against him/her then it becomes illegal..
2933.52 Interception of wire, oral or electronic communications.
(4) A person who is not a law enforcement officer and who intercepts a wire, oral, or electronic communication, if the person is a party to the communication or if one of the parties to the communication has given the person prior consent to the interception, and if the communication is not intercepted for the purpose of committing a criminal offense or tortious act in violation of the laws or Constitution of the United States or this state or for the purpose of committing any other injurious act;
ok now I know its state law now lets go to the Federal Law.. those of you Alice people who don't know poop about anything.. If state law protects you Federal law can still affect you... Does that make sense to you? Okay good, In the first step, the most common issue is whether a conversation is private; most statutes only cover confidential or private communication. A general rule is that if the people engaged in the conversation can reasonably expect their conversation to remain private. Since this happened in a class room full of students it then was not a private conversation now was it?
Federal law allows recording of phone calls and other electronic communications with the consent of at least one party to the recording. Thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia have followed federal law and permit individuals to record conversations to which they are a party without informing the other parties that they are doing so. These laws are referred to as "one-party consent" statutes, and as long as you are a party to the conversation, it is legal for you to record it. All the student has to do is get permission from one other student.... shouldn't be hard?
However Don't Trust me.. And you should never ask for or believe any legal advice from anyone on topix.... Call your Lawyer.
Apparently, no one cared for the legal jargon. ;)
Mer

United States

#21 Dec 14, 2012
jjj paralegal wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently, no one cared for the legal jargon. ;)
More like no one wants to waste their money on proving the point. It would be a long and drawn out ordeal and by the time you do win, it won't help the current situation you were trying to resolve. This has been a long argument with school systems all over, after all, it is a PUBLIC school.

I just thought I'd point out that they had a sign posted in the office how it was illegal to video tape/record in a school, oh and in the parent/student agreement they hand out at the beginning of school year. I guess they have something to hide?
All dumb

Corpus Christi, TX

#22 Dec 14, 2012
Your kids suck!! They need a wena chinga!
Scarey

Alice, TX

#23 Dec 14, 2012
This is scarey

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