At St. Paul 'wet house,' liquor can b...

At St. Paul 'wet house,' liquor can be their life -- and death

There are 420 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Dec 4, 2010, titled At St. Paul 'wet house,' liquor can be their life -- and death. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Marion Hagerman appreciates your concern. But it's OK to give up on him, he says.

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Honest

Saint Paul, MN

#1 Dec 4, 2010
This is heartbreaking. Let young people see a lesson here and hope that they heed it.
tax payer

United States

#3 Dec 4, 2010
Kikeepoo wrote:
What a bunch of crap these guys have a place to drink. but by day they steal,rob get robbed and make the people they come into contact with scared and hoping to make everyone as miserable as they are. if this place dont pay for the booze how do they get the money. your house, garage, car these men can and should be put in prision. no booze there, no where to hide, sober and stupid just like the rest.
it costs about $30,000 per year to house prisoners, food 3 meals a day, electricity, gas, bedding, medical, acre, dental care and much more, this alcoholics will find ways to get alcohol no matter where there at. its better in this place for them.
lake

United States

#4 Dec 4, 2010
This is nothing less that state sponsored, slow motion suicide. The State should not be in the business of enabling these people to kill themselves. I don't care if it costs more to keep them alive. There is a political party that thinks death is an OK alternative. Can you guess which party party I'm talking about?(Hint: Think International Socialist).

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TV Show

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Dec 4, 2010
That one guy reminds me of that one undercover cop on Hill Street Blues. It's an uncanny resemblance.
TV Show

Minneapolis, MN

#7 Dec 4, 2010
""Those AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) people make me sick. I hate hearing about other people's problems. I have my own problems. If you want to quit, you quit on your own."

What a neat saying! This guy is a pretty sharp fellow to come up with this accurate and pithy statement.
Im with Moyers

Saint Paul, MN

#8 Dec 5, 2010
It made me sick to hear that the social workers are referring them.

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Pahoa, HI

#9 Dec 5, 2010
It's kind of like the Humane Society. More than likely, unwanted animals are going to be euthanized but it's better than getting killed on the highway. As a recovering alcoholic myself, I know very well that sobriety is a gift of grace. why me and not them, I haven't a clue. It's humbling.

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NUTSTOU

Tampa, FL

#12 Dec 5, 2010
Wm. Moyers of the Hazelden Treatment centers , needs to get off his high horse. All of these Treatment. Ctrs. are great, as long as you have the money to pay them, which runs about $33,000. for a month of in house care and counceling. As soon as your money is gone, your out the door. Following in house care, they then push your family to pay for out patient counciling, for about 3000./ month. Even the rural or ranch type group programs run $5000. to @12,000. per month. They tell you it will take about 6 months , but when 6 months go by, they tell you they need another 6 months to solve the problems. When, you cannot pay, they give you 24 hours to get the individual out of there, WAKE UP FOLKS. This is a hugh for profit industry It is all about the money!, not the well being of the individual. Kudo's to these Wet Centers

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NUTSTOU

Tampa, FL

#13 Dec 5, 2010
Im with Moyers wrote:
It made me sick to hear that the social workers are referring them.
Treatment sounds good. BUT : The average individual goes through at least 3 programs, and then less than 20% successfully Quit their addiction. Places like Hazelden cost $ 33,000./ month and when your money is gone, your gone. These institutions feast at the tax payer trough , as they thrive on patients sent there by the courts, snd who the govt. must pay for, Longer care out patient programs run $3000./ month. Group camp type programs run $5-12 thousnd / month and last 6-12 months or more. When completed , more than 80 % go back to their addiction. I know of cases, where folks have sold their home to pay for addiction Treatment programs and after months, when that money ran out, the patient was kicked out to the streets within 24 hours, without any follow up of any kind. These Treatment programs are a Hugh Money Racket!
jinn4u

Nashville, TN

#14 Dec 5, 2010
Part of addiction recovery is letting an addict get sick and tire of being sick and tired. That is why for some the Wet house might be the best thing. Jail is just another reason to drink and most of the treatment centers are run by non addicts that are clueless. Its sad though, but an alternative
anonymous

Saint Paul, MN

#15 Dec 5, 2010
Im with Moyers wrote:
It made me sick to hear that the social workers are referring them.
Why? Who else is more equipped to do so? These men are in the system due to their offenses related to alcohol. The social worker would be most familiar with their cases.

It is hard not to be moved by their addiction. To live your life in a state of drunkeness is difficult for most to comprehend. Most of us choose not to do so, but it makes these men no less human. I am inclined this holiday season, to send them a case of Vodka, warm hats, or gloves.

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anonymous

Saint Paul, MN

#16 Dec 5, 2010
nosake wrote:
It's kind of like the Humane Society. More than likely, unwanted animals are going to be euthanized but it's better than getting killed on the highway. As a recovering alcoholic myself, I know very well that sobriety is a gift of grace. why me and not them, I haven't a clue. It's humbling.
Congratulations on your sobriety, btw.
informed

Saint Paul, MN

#17 Dec 5, 2010
Thanks for a place like this. As a former homeless drunk, I was lucky enough to get the recovery program after 5 treatments at the taxpayers expense. I know 2 men who live at the St. Anthony Residence and both of them tell me that this place is a god send. Not that they are able to drink, but that they have a place to call home. A place to eat sleep and shower. These men do not live hi on the hog. They live on 89 dollars a month. I am told that the staff at the St. Anthony are very caring and do a great job under dificult circumstances. These men have no one to turn to and their family and friends have completely given up on them. but St. Anthony Residence give them a dignified existence. St. Anthony residence takes the men that no one else wants. The people that belittle their existence, certainly dont want them hanging around their neigborhood, but are the first to cast the first stone. Instead of making criticism, why not give a donation of warm clothes or basic hygiene items.

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just a thought

Saint Paul, MN

#18 Dec 5, 2010
Of course AA believes in never giving up because you never know when a person will "see the light". But the individual MUST have the strong desire to stop. The reality is some never will and better to be at this wet house than homeless and/or at the emergency room or detox.
GLOCK

Elk River, MN

#19 Dec 5, 2010
There is only one word for it, ENABLEING

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steve baker

Springfield, MO

#20 Dec 5, 2010
My friend Lightning used to say, "An alcoholic has only three choices, death, insanity, or the cure. I'll take insanity because that's the only one where you can still drink!"

These men are a tiny segment of the population who have chosen, or been forced, into an alternative lifestyle. All they ask is too be left alone.

Reality and honesty can be brutal, but also refreshing. So these men all end up dead. So do we.
Minnesotan in France

France

#21 Dec 5, 2010
I agree with Informed.. This place is somewhere these guys can feel like they have a place where there is no one to judge them, no one to tell them they are bad people. These guys are given the opportunity to live out their lives in a place they are not forced to go and live like everyone else wants them or expects them to live. I'm coming up on my 2 yr sobriety anniversary and am thankful everyday I found the "path" to sobriety. Unfortunately for these men there hasn't and may never be an awakening...God bless them and good luck to all of them. I also may drop a donation of vodka,mouthwash and warm clothes...
Bill

Atlanta, GA

#22 Dec 5, 2010
NUTSTOU wrote:
Wm. Moyers of the Hazelden Treatment centers , needs to get off his high horse. All of these Treatment. Ctrs. are great, as long as you have the money to pay them, which runs about $33,000. for a month of in house care and counceling. As soon as your money is gone, your out the door. Following in house care, they then push your family to pay for out patient counciling, for about 3000./ month. Even the rural or ranch type group programs run $5000. to @12,000. per month. They tell you it will take about 6 months , but when 6 months go by, they tell you they need another 6 months to solve the problems. When, you cannot pay, they give you 24 hours to get the individual out of there, WAKE UP FOLKS. This is a hugh for profit industry It is all about the money!, not the well being of the individual. Kudo's to these Wet Centers
The recovery industry is really just that: an extremely profitable industry. Granted, it often does work and actually is successful, but it seems to be more profit-driven than needs-driven. I also agree with that one poster who quoted one of these guys a few comments back when he said something to the effect of, "if you really want to quit, you'll quit on your own." Treatment and all of these programs may be good, but if a person really wants to quit, they can often do it on their own without spending one dime on treatment.
What

Saint Paul, MN

#23 Dec 5, 2010
GLOCK wrote:
There is only one word for it, ENABLEING
It is not enabling. Liqour is not supplied by the county state or the St. Anthony residence. The men take the money that they have and buy thier booze on thier own, and when the money is gone thats it.
Seem

Saint Paul, MN

#24 Dec 5, 2010
Your previous post was good. You than took time to come back and tell a person congrats on their soberity. A lot of peoples lives could change if they woke up and said some decent to another human everyday instead of bashing.
Hopefully a few people will think about it.
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>Congratulations on your sobriety, btw.

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