U.S. rattled as Mexico drug war bleeds over

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Mar 17, 2009
 
I would characterize the presentation as generic/general. But, I wouldn't expect any details or plans not available anywhere else.

These guys have a tough enough job without getting into political hot water - they hope to last longer than politicians who come and go.

And for any plans to be meaningful they must not be available to those trying to thwart them.

Ret-AF maybe Albuquerque is the answer to your question about alternative base of operation:

"Sheriff Says Violence Spills Over
By Nancy Tipton
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 08:13
Office seeing spike in drug trafficking

Bernalillo County Sheriff Darren White says violence from the Mexican drug wars in Ciudad Juarez is spilling over into the Albuquerque area - some 250 miles away.

He says his office is dealing with a spike in drug trafficking, and he says that the drug cartels are behind at least one murder in his county."
http://www.abqjournal.com/abqnews/abqnewseeke...

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Mar 17, 2009
 
Janet White wrote:
I would characterize the presentation as generic/general. But, I wouldn't expect any details or plans not available anywhere else.
These guys have a tough enough job without getting into political hot water - they hope to last longer than politicians who come and go.
And for any plans to be meaningful they must not be available to those trying to thwart them.
Ret-AF maybe Albuquerque is the answer to your question about alternative base of operation:
"Sheriff Says Violence Spills Over
By Nancy Tipton
Tuesday, 17 March 2009 08:13
Office seeing spike in drug trafficking
Bernalillo County Sheriff Darren White says violence from the Mexican drug wars in Ciudad Juarez is spilling over into the Albuquerque area - some 250 miles away.
He says his office is dealing with a spike in drug trafficking, and he says that the drug cartels are behind at least one murder in his county."
http://www.abqjournal.com/abqnews/abqnewseeke...
Yeah I do believe there are more of these people already in our country and state than we know of. They could be anywhere and are capable of anything. I may seem a little paranoid but to me, I see this threat at the same caliber as terrorism.

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Mar 17, 2009
 
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/natio...
U.S. shares blame in Mexico drug violence

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Mar 17, 2009
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7949665.s...
US poised to join Mexico drug war
"The US is drawing up comprehensive plans to help Mexico in its fight against drug-trafficking, a senior military official has told Congress.

Gen Gene Renuart, head of the US Northern Command, told a Senate hearing that troops or anti-narcotics agents would be sent to the Mexican border.

The plan could be finalised as early as this week, he added.

Correspondents say Mexico's mounting drug violence has emerged as a real national security threat to the US.

"Certainly, there may be a need for additional manpower," said Gen Renuart, who oversees US military interests in the border region.

"Whether that is best suited or best provided by National Guard or additional law enforcement agencies, I think, this planning team will really lead us to," he told the Senate Armed Services Committee. "

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Mar 17, 2009
 
US preparing integrated plan on Mexico drug war
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Mar 17, 2009
 
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"At a separate Tuesday hearing before a panel of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Democratic Senator Richard Durbin estimated that Mexican drug cartels are now present in at least 230 U.S. cities, compared to 50 cities in 2006.

"They are the new face of crime in the age of globalization," Durbin said."

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Mar 18, 2009
 
Here we go again - another escalation.

Fears of Cartel Alliance Mount in Mexico
March 17, 2009

At least two of Mexico's three leading drug cartels may be negotiating a truce as they try to fend off a government crackdown, Fox News reported March 12.

Experts say the Sinaloa and Gulf cartels may be seeking an alliance rather than continuing to fight each other over drug smuggling routes and markets. "We've seen reports coming out of Mexico that cartels have set down and tried to do business together because of, let's face it, pressure," said Fred Burton of Stratfor Global Security. "Whether that be law-enforcement pressure or military pressure,(it) is bad for business."

The Sinaloa cartel may be looking to replace its traditional Arizona smuggling routes -- now under increased scrutiny -- with the Gulf cartel's drug pipeline on the East Coast of Mexico.

"If they have to adapt their tactics, whether that means negotiating with another cartel, or whether it means giving up certain trafficking routes -- which we have also seen -- all of those are a reflection of effective strategy to pressure these cartels," said U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Roberta Jackson.

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Mar 18, 2009
 
It seems apparent that tunnel vision continues to play a key role in the response to drug use for recreation. As with demon rum there were and are those that disapprove of drug use and are willing to prevent it at any cost, even when that cost is often measured in human lives lost or destroyed. Since it is a virtual impossibility to eliminate the desire that is the basis for drug use, i.e. pleasure, including the pleasure of a sip of fine whiskey, tequila or wine as well as enjoying a cigarette, pipe or good cigar. Efforts to make the negative consequences so draconian that fear will prevent use of drugs have obviously failed. The effort to eliminate supplies have also failed. Why then, do our governments continue to escalate the use of failed strategies & failed methods at an ever-increasing cost to our citizens? One aspect to consider is what organizations have been given the tasks. Law enforcement, especially when first handed the job, pretty much has one basic approach - find the "bad guys" and arrest them. I am of the opinion that it is impossible to arrest our way out of the problems associated with drug use, abuse and failed control policies. Now there are increasing calls for a military presence. That often is followed by a military intervention. That means bodies and collateral damage.
If the issue were to be approached from a perspective of how to solve a problem perhaps rationality would indicate that different strategies and methods are more appropriate and more likely to succeed than current methods. A crescent wrench works really well on bolts and nuts, unfortunately it also works well as a hammer, but with limitations. Policy makers and decision makers need to reconsider the choice of tools as well as goals and objectives vis-a-vis the drug war.

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Mar 18, 2009
 
Thank you for sharing your insight. The majority of small-time drug dealers are addicts, suffering from the mental disease of addiction. Arresting these non-violent drug offenders keeps our law enforcement busy when they could be going after rapists, murderers, and thieves.
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It seems apparent that tunnel vision continues to play a key role in the response to drug use for recreation. As with demon rum there were and are those that disapprove of drug use and are willing to prevent it at any cost, even when that cost is often measured in human lives lost or destroyed. Since it is a virtual impossibility to eliminate the desire that is the basis for drug use, i.e. pleasure, including the pleasure of a sip of fine whiskey, tequila or wine as well as enjoying a cigarette, pipe or good cigar. Efforts to make the negative consequences so draconian that fear will prevent use of drugs have obviously failed. The effort to eliminate supplies have also failed. Why then, do our governments continue to escalate the use of failed strategies & failed methods at an ever-increasing cost to our citizens? One aspect to consider is what organizations have been given the tasks. Law enforcement, especially when first handed the job, pretty much has one basic approach - find the "bad guys" and arrest them. I am of the opinion that it is impossible to arrest our way out of the problems associated with drug use, abuse and failed control policies. Now there are increasing calls for a military presence. That often is followed by a military intervention. That means bodies and collateral damage.
If the issue were to be approached from a perspective of how to solve a problem perhaps rationality would indicate that different strategies and methods are more appropriate and more likely to succeed than current methods. A crescent wrench works really well on bolts and nuts, unfortunately it also works well as a hammer, but with limitations. Policy makers and decision makers need to reconsider the choice of tools as well as goals and objectives vis-a-vis the drug war.

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Mar 18, 2009
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFee...
Obama to visit Mexico amid drug war, trade dispute
"MEXICO CITY, March 18 (Reuters)- U.S. President Barack Obama will visit Mexico in April, the Mexican president's office and the White House said on Wednesday, amid surging drug violence along the border and a spat over free trade rules.

Obama will be in Mexico April 16-17 to discuss issues ranging from immigration and security to the global financial crisis, Mexican President Felipe Calderon's spokesman, Maximiliano Cortazar, told reporters.

The Obama's visit will follow a trip by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to Mexico City and the northern business city of Monterrey scheduled for next week.

The high-level meetings come as the Obama administration is drafting a plan to address Mexico's escalating war with drug traffickers, blamed for some 6,300 murders last year, most of them near the shared border.

U.S. officials fear the violence could spill over into the United States, while their Mexican counterparts want stricter controls of U.S weapons smuggled into Mexico.

Obama and Calderon will "discuss how the United States and Mexico can work together to support Mexico's fight against drug-related violence and work toward effective, comprehensive immigration reform," the White House said in a statement.

The visit precedes the Summit of the Americas being held April 17-19 in Trinidad and Tobago.

Obama met with Calderon on Jan. 12 just days before his inauguration while the Mexican leader was on a visit to Washington.

The previous U.S. administration agreed to give Mexico and Central America $1.4 billion worth of equipment and training to fight the cartels, but the aid has been slow to arrive as the United States wants assurances it will not end up in the hands of corrupt police or officials working for drug gangs.

A sticky trade dispute that erupted this week between the two countries may also be on the agenda, after Mexico imposed higher tariffs on a list of 90 U.S. imports in retaliation for a U.S. ban on Mexican trucks in its territory.

Mexico, the United States' No. 3 trading partner, says the truck ban violates the North American Free Trade Agreement."
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Mar 18, 2009
 
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<quoted text>Yes, but i' am having it delivered, you cant buy what I got at wal-mart
What site are you using?

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Mar 18, 2009
 
http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_11937480
What I want to know is why no one was arrested.
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Mar 18, 2009
 
http://www.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_11937477

This is even more disturbing especially if you know someone in service. Is there anyone who doesn't?

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Mar 19, 2009
 
Son of drug cartel chief arrested in Mexico
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/19/mexic...

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Mar 19, 2009
 
Ken Nicholson wrote:
Here we go again - another escalation.
Fears of Cartel Alliance Mount in Mexico
March 17, 2009
At least two of Mexico's three leading drug cartels may be negotiating a truce as they try to fend off a government crackdown, Fox News reported March 12.
Experts say the Sinaloa and Gulf cartels may be seeking an alliance rather than continuing to fight each other over drug smuggling routes and markets. "We've seen reports coming out of Mexico that cartels have set down and tried to do business together because of, let's face it, pressure," said Fred Burton of Stratfor Global Security. "Whether that be law-enforcement pressure or military pressure,(it) is bad for business."
The Sinaloa cartel may be looking to replace its traditional Arizona smuggling routes -- now under increased scrutiny -- with the Gulf cartel's drug pipeline on the East Coast of Mexico.
"If they have to adapt their tactics, whether that means negotiating with another cartel, or whether it means giving up certain trafficking routes -- which we have also seen -- all of those are a reflection of effective strategy to pressure these cartels," said U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Roberta Jackson.
Creating conditions that are "Bad for business" is hardly an effective strategy. I would also not characterize adaptive activities as a reflection of anything other than the continuation of the escalation that began four decades ago. Drug traffickers do "A", enforcement develops tactics to counter; traffickers respond with "B", enforcement counters; traffickers ... it continues like an endless chess match but with more blood.

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Mar 19, 2009
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/03/19/world...
March 19, 2009 5:12 PM
Napolitano: Mexico Not A Narco-State "At This Point"
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Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano says Mexico is “not at this point” in danger of becoming a failed narco-state. But she says the ongoing drug cartel related violence is a threat to both Mexico and the United States.

Napolitano will be traveling to Mexico City April 1-3 to meet with her security counterparts and attend a conference on arms trafficking. Attorney General Eric Holder will also be there.

Napolitano says the Obama administration is very focused on Mexico and is in the process of increasing security efforts along the border. Additional Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Patrol officers are being deployed, and the administration is still working on a broader plan to deal with potential “spillover violence,” though details are not yet available.

Most of the violence involves “cartel on cartel” fighting. So far, Napolitano says, U.S. officials do not see any evidence that cartels are targeting law enforcement or border officials on this side of the border. There has been an increase in the number of kidnappings in the Southwest U.S., but Napolitano says they largely seem to involve drug gangs targeting other drug gangs.

Meanwhile, U.S. officials are bolstering efforts to choke off the flow of weapons heading to Mexico. Various sensors, scales, and license plate readers are being used to identify suspicious vehicles, with some success. For example, 997 firearms were confiscated in one week this month.
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Mar 20, 2009
 
I'm curious. Does anyone know where the weapons are coming from that are being smuggled into Mexico?

This thread has really been a forum for thoughtful discussion on the effects of our drug policy. With that said I really don't wish to hear from the 2nd Amendment folks but I really want to know the following: Who is selling the weapons and why aren't the seller's being monitored; if the weapons are being stolen who is suffering such catastropohic losses and not reporting it?

And lastly, where are these weapons coming from?
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#125
Mar 20, 2009
 
All good questions, Ret-AF, but I haven't the foggiest.

Ran across a thought provoking article by Vicki Nisbett called "Shining light, but at what cost? Journalists talk about the perils of working along the U.S.-Mexico border". Scroll down a ways at http://haussamen.blogspot.com/
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#126
Mar 21, 2009
 
This is indeed a tough issue, one that requires a truthful, intelligent, and dedicated course of action.

There are many different facets to the drug problem not the least of which are money laundering, gun running, prostitution, slavery, and use as as a disease.

Until these issues are understood and addressed in their entirey 'it' the 1000 pound gorilla of drug use, standing in our midst will not readily go away.

We can calmly and intellectually discuss the pros and cons of the 'drug war' and or the 'legalization of drugs' but it is obvious that neither is truly an issue to which we have adequately provisioned support, money, thought, and viable resources.

Consequently, some of our citizens will continue to suffer as a result of our inability to do what is right on so many different levels. I personally experienced from a law enforcement perspective the East Coast -vs- West Coast drug wars of the late 80's and 90's from and I understand how violent it can really be...but yet we refuse to learn.

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