Border Patrol: Thanks, but no thanks

Border Patrol: Thanks, but no thanks

There are 270 comments on the Alamogordo Daily News story from May 2, 2008, titled Border Patrol: Thanks, but no thanks. In it, Alamogordo Daily News reports that:

The Border Patrol says while it appreciates the tips generated by watchdog groups like the Minutemen, it would prefer if border security were left to the professionals.

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George - Cloudcroft

Levelland, TX

#1 May 3, 2008
For many years now, in just about every community across the USA, local law enforcement has encouraged "neighborhood watches" that promote the idea of reporting suspicious activity around residential neighborhoods. I think it is well recognized that such groups occupy a legitimate nitch in American society. They help protect our homes from burglaries and our families from other criminal activities.

It seems to me that borderland watchdog groups like the Minutemen serve a very similar purpose, so it puzzles me that that the Border Patrol takes such a dim view of their surveillance activities. As long as actual apprehension process is left to the Border Patrol and professional law enforcement, I do not think the Border Patrol has any meaningful reason for objections or complaint. The Border Patrol should, indeed, make the best use it can of any information that is provided by these watchdog groups in order accomplish its mission of securing the border. As a matter of fact, I think it would be irresponsonsible for the Border Pagtrol to ignore informational tips that are provided by private citizens.

I wonder, Mr. Mosier. Would the US Forest Service follow the example of the US Border Patrol and discourage watchdog groups were organized to report forest fires?
John Baake

Alamogordo, NM

#3 May 3, 2008
Could be that Mosier has a nice little second paycheck coming in from some of the coyotes.
Baldy

United States

#4 May 3, 2008
The ADN exposes the Minutemen as liars! I have one question: If the Border Patrol is doing such a good job...why the need for the Minutemen?
Where do I sign up?
sally

United States

#5 May 3, 2008
"Mosier said any spillage into the U.S. from a drug war is also speculative."
EXCUSE ME!!!
WHAT??? WHERE HAS HE BEEN?

"Drugs have been a problem on our borders for decades," he said.

A PROBLEM FOR DECADES??? WHY HASN'T SOMETHING BEEN DONE ABOUT IT FOR DECADES???
Minuteman

AOL

#6 May 3, 2008
This guy Mosier doesnt know what hes talking about. How did he make it on the panel and in this article? He needs to go back into the field.

By the way Mosier-if it werent for Minutemen.....there would be no money for thousands of new agents, new walls, technology and you might even be out of a job. If it werent for Minutemen....nobody would even know what your job is. The Minutemen are 'The Border Patrol' numbnuts.

PinkFloyd

“Valkyrie”

Since: Feb 08

Alamogordo

#7 May 3, 2008
Baldy wrote:
The ADN exposes the Minutemen as liars! I have one question: If the Border Patrol is doing such a good job...why the need for the Minutemen?
Where do I sign up?
If they were doing such a great job, we wouldn't have illegal immigrants all over the place. If they were doing their job, we wouldn't be seeing videos of illegals crossing the borders by the droves!
Minuteman

AOL

#8 May 3, 2008
www.PatriotsBorderAlliance. com
Joe Smith

Rio Rancho, NM

#9 May 3, 2008
Perhaps Mr. Mosier knows that these vigilante groups are funded and supported by the Ku Klux Klan, American Nazi Party and White Aryan Nation; the Border Patrol, rightfully, does not want to encourage such hate-groups. Not ALL members of the MinuteMan-type groups are members of the KKK, etc., but all the members of the KKK, American Nazi Party, and White Aryan Nation ARE virulently, violently anti-immigrant.
BP NOGGIE

Pomerene, AZ

#10 May 3, 2008
Hey minuteman. While the efforts are appreciated the minutemen are a far cry from being the Border Patrol. Thats just silly. The Minutemen report things, which more citizens need to do but you are not being shot at, rocked, assaulted and murdered so don't puff your chest out too far.
John Baake

Alamogordo, NM

#11 May 3, 2008
Likewise the ACLU, which is opposed to the enforcement of immigration law, is supported by the American Communist Party and other communist and socialist groups.

The vast majority (myself included) who are against illegal aliens, are not against legal immigration.
Joe Smith wrote:
Perhaps Mr. Mosier knows that these vigilante groups are funded and supported by the Ku Klux Klan, American Nazi Party and White Aryan Nation; the Border Patrol, rightfully, does not want to encourage such hate-groups. Not ALL members of the MinuteMan-type groups are members of the KKK, etc., but all the members of the KKK, American Nazi Party, and White Aryan Nation ARE virulently, violently anti-immigrant.
Packeryman

Mineral, TX

#12 May 3, 2008
PinkFloyd wrote:
<quoted text>
If they were doing such a great job, we wouldn't have illegal immigrants all over the place. If they were doing their job, we wouldn't be seeing videos of illegals crossing the borders by the droves!
Your statement reflects the lack of understanding the size of the problem. We need to set up several small bases between Brownsville an San Deigo and deploy most of the troops in US Occupied Iraq along the border. A 2000 mile double wall and the military check points set up for crossing is one of the only ways of really securing the border. Look at the morale of the border patrol after the Ramos and Compean affair.These men are political prisoners. I personally believe all border patrol should have a sick out until federal prosecutor Johnny Sutton is in federal prison and Bush is forced to come public and state these guys will get their jobs back and be highly compensated for being held as political prisoners. We could do a very good job of closing the border if the above listed were a high priority.
kat

AOL

#13 May 3, 2008
I hope that the minutemen and the Patriots border alliance keep up the good work. If the border patrol had enough people to do the job, we wouldn't need the help from other groups.
Packeryman

Mineral, TX

#14 May 3, 2008
On the other hand if we would cut off all social programs,end the anchor baby program and fine employers for each illegal, we wouldn't have a need for thousands more border patrol or troops on the border.There would be no draw and those here would return on their own.The bad guys that didn't would be deported or imprisoned. We could allow the employers 90 days to clear their employ of illegals. First offense $10,000 and second offense of hiring an illegal, 5 years mandatory in a federal prision.The illegal problem would have ended. Then we could set up a worker program that said every American that wanted to work was hired at a livable wage before a non US documented worker could be hired. This would be a worker program only to stay as long as their employment was needed not an amnesty program.
kat

AOL

#15 May 3, 2008
Packeryman wrote:
On the other hand if we would cut off all social programs,end the anchor baby program and fine employers for each illegal, we wouldn't have a need for thousands more border patrol or troops on the border.There would be no draw and those here would return on their own.The bad guys that didn't would be deported or imprisoned. We could allow the employers 90 days to clear their employ of illegals. First offense $10,000 and second offense of hiring an illegal, 5 years mandatory in a federal prision.The illegal problem would have ended. Then we could set up a worker program that said every American that wanted to work was hired at a livable wage before a non US documented worker could be hired. This would be a worker program only to stay as long as their employment was needed not an amnesty program.
good one.
Bob Wright

Hobbs, NM

#16 May 3, 2008
It seems Mr. Mosier is the victim primarily of very shoddy reporting. As pointed out by Janet White in an earlier post, I never said people were tied to trees. The rape tree is known to all border law enforcement. The incident with the hundreds waiting to cross was March 30th ,2005, Naco, Az.
The bulk of the Mosier statement is the standard bureaucrat drivel and state of denial. I have never faced this attitude from a Patrol Agent on the ground. His comments discounting the seriousness of the cartel situation in Mexico is a prime example of this administrations "head in the sand" policy as it is applied to Mexico and our border.
Our goal remains the same. To embarrass and shame a Federal Government that has abandoned it's responsibility to secure the borders of this nation. We have been very successful at this and the biggest beneficiary of that embarrassment has been the Border Patrol through additional funding and being allowed to higher additional officers. Those agent who we interface with in the field know and appreciate that, even if Mr Mosier and the career bureaucrats he speaks for do not.
My thanks to the Eagle Forum for the opportunity to speak at their meeting. If you need a speaker for your group: www.patriotsborderalliance.com
Finally the truth

El Paso, TX

#17 May 3, 2008
PinkFloyd wrote:
<quoted text>
If they were doing such a great job, we wouldn't have illegal immigrants all over the place. If they were doing their job, we wouldn't be seeing videos of illegals crossing the borders by the droves!
Amen, Pink Floyd. Thanks for being honest and never beating around the bush. Don't let the little minds get you down!
Packeryman

Mineral, TX

#18 May 3, 2008
kat wrote:
I hope that the minutemen and the Patriots border alliance keep up the good work. If the border patrol had enough people to do the job, we wouldn't need the help from other groups.
I believe the above groups and the border guards are doing the best they can. The border guards are operating with their hands tied by the actions of this lame duck president. Look at the chain of comand:President(Bush),Attorne y General(Alberto Gonzales,resigned under pressure),local Federal Proscecutor (Johnny Sutton). When officers are tried an imprisoned for doing their job, all other officers ease off of trying to catch violators. They are spooked,if they have to use their weapon, instead of having to be concerned with their own saftey,now they they have to worry about being tried for killing a drug smuggler(this did not happen ,he was shot trying to get away).You cannot put these type of restrictions on anyone representating you, be it a foreign war or a border war. It is said we could eaisly use 25,000 more agents, but that is not going to happen. Therefore the military,two reasons,they can be moved when the situation is under control-and they help our own economy spending money in the USA. Remember we could have gained control of the problem when Bush and Republicans had both houses,they did not because their support of big business and the Occupation of Iraq. Bush has shown us nothing will happen on the border issue during his administration, yet he is engaged in sell out of middle class Americans with the implementation of The North American Union.
John Baake

Alamogordo, NM

#19 May 3, 2008
Correction;
The drug smuggler was shot 'at' while trying to get away.
The bullet wound he had could not have been inflicted while he was running at the angle to the officers that both he and the officers said he was.
If it had been inflicted at that time, it would've brought him down and he would've been arrested right then.
Packeryman wrote:
<quoted text>I believe the above groups and the border guards are doing the best they can. The border guards are operating with their hands tied by the actions of this lame duck president. Look at the chain of comand:President(Bush),Attorne y General(Alberto Gonzales,resigned under pressure),local Federal Proscecutor (Johnny Sutton). When officers are tried an imprisoned for doing their job, all other officers ease off of trying to catch violators. They are spooked,if they have to use their weapon, instead of having to be concerned with their own saftey,now they they have to worry about being tried for killing a drug smuggler(this did not happen ,he was shot trying to get away).You cannot put these type of restrictions on anyone representating you, be it a foreign war or a border war. It is said we could eaisly use 25,000 more agents, but that is not going to happen. Therefore the military,two reasons,they can be moved when the situation is under control-and they help our own economy spending money in the USA. Remember we could have gained control of the problem when Bush and Republicans had both houses,they did not because their support of big business and the Occupation of Iraq. Bush has shown us nothing will happen on the border issue during his administration, yet he is engaged in sell out of middle class Americans with the implementation of The North American Union.
Wulf

Butte, MT

#20 May 3, 2008
Janet White wrote:
One example of where Anderson got it wrong: "Another subject Wright spoke of were alleged "sex trees," where women are literally tied to trees and raped on the border."
Bob Wright spoke of rape trees where victims clothing was hung as a display NOT WHERE RAPE VICTIMS ARE TIED.
Here are two links, one with a photo:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/immigrati...
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0711/0...
"In his talk Tuesday, Wright said he was shocked when he visited the border to find hundreds of people there, waiting for the opportunity to cross illegally.
"Where and when was that?" Mosier asked. "We have never seen anything like that, nor have we even heard of anything like that." "
Answer: Arizona/Mexico border, spring 2005. It was right in Mr. Wright's presentation.
Um, let's not forget that the border is a Federal issue and not an issue that is relegated to the States or the people. The chances of racists firing on illegals is too high with these "watch groups" on the border. Besides, the "watch groups" are in violation of Federal law and how do we know that some of these "watch groups" aren't giving aid and comfort to drug smugglers, illegals, etc? Always suspect these groups of illegality because this nation has had a long, bloodly and violent history of racial violence, drug trafficing and other evil crimes. The FBI should get those fools off the border and put them away for interfering with the duties of Federal officials.
Wulf

Butte, MT

#21 May 3, 2008
Minuteman wrote:
www.PatriotsBorderAlliance. com
You are a traitor, a racist and you and your kind should go into exile to South America, where the other Nazi's went into hiding.

Just for the record, I am anti-illegal but I oppose vigilanteeism.

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