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Alamogordo, NM

#168 Dec 22, 2012
hot ice wrote:
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First and foremost, thank you for your time.
I for one am not unaware at all. My question did not by amy stretch of the imagination, originate from naivety. Of the contrary, my eyes are wide open. It seems to me, that a culture or individual that does not anticipate greed as a given factor in their sociological equation is undeniably the unaware one. But, debating philosophies as you say, is futile.
A different prospective might be to look at the up coming storm and act accordingly.
So, historically if we take or current national situation and look for the worst representative situation, Naziism comes to mind. The gassing of people.
My original question arises from this scenario.
Why do we not cut back on animals before we have to cut back on humans?
The answer is spaying and neutering our pets. They already euthanize animals. We just keep producing too many
Ronald McD

Alamogordo, NM

#169 Dec 22, 2012
hot ice wrote:
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First and foremost, thank you for your time.
I for one am not unaware at all. My question did not by amy stretch of the imagination, originate from naivety. Of the contrary, my eyes are wide open. It seems to me, that a culture or individual that does not anticipate greed as a given factor in their sociological equation is undeniably the unaware one. But, debating philosophies as you say, is futile.
A different prospective might be to look at the up coming storm and act accordingly.
So, historically if we take or current national situation and look for the worst representative situation, Naziism comes to mind. The gassing of people.
My original question arises from this scenario.
Why do we not cut back on animals before we have to cut back on humans?
This is what I have been saying all along! You have to treat animals with some respect and not drive them to extinction! First and foremost, they are food. They are meant to be eaten!

With the way things are going, I guarantee with in five years animal shelters and Kitty Shity will be a thing of the past! We will all be eating cats and dogs just to survive!

Now, on to a good note! Dogs and cats make great meat filler in hamburger, meatloaf, soups, GCRMC meals, and just about anything with meat!

Since: Sep 12

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#170 Dec 22, 2012
hot ice wrote:
<quoted text>
First and foremost, thank you for your time.
I for one am not unaware at all. My question did not by amy stretch of the imagination, originate from naivety. Of the contrary, my eyes are wide open. It seems to me, that a culture or individual that does not anticipate greed as a given factor in their sociological equation is undeniably the unaware one. But, debating philosophies as you say, is futile.
A different prospective might be to look at the up coming storm and act accordingly.
So, historically if we take or current national situation and look for the worst representative situation, Naziism comes to mind. The gassing of people.
My original question arises from this scenario.
Why do we not cut back on animals before we have to cut back on humans?
Because humans are a dime a dozen. You can't deny the amount naive and idiotic people that are polluting this place with zero contribution than taking up space. And it's these people who cause a negative impact on all things around us. They deny you and I the very ability to have a wonderful and happy life.
Idiot 'reality shows' give idiot people idiotic ideas on what all life should be like...

I read an incident from an SPCA issue that this women dropped off her 2 Siamese cats because she had redecorated her home and.... THEY DIDNT MATCH THE DECOR!!! Now..... Who should put down in this situation??? The idiot women or the innocent cats?

Some of the most insane reasons for people giving up their animals really makes a sane person question the integrity of man.

Too big, too small, wrong color, I have a new boyfriend/girlfriend, i don't like it's bark/meow, it poops too much, it wants to go for walks too much.....
Are you seeing my point....?

So no most people who love animals see no reason in helping out a perfectly capable human when they've left behind something of innocence. We are a lazy, pathetic society. And our forefathers who worked their asses off must be so proud of us all. All we do is look for hand outs as in loans. Cars, clothes, furniture, houses crap, crap and more crap.

Soon it'll be xmas and it'll be another year of over spending.

So I'll take my Xmas money and make my yearly donation to the shelter and that poor child who's tree isn't full of crap will have to do without because their parents failed them by blowing their pay cheques on useless crap!!

IMO.... This is only an opinion.

Unfortunately places like AV pray on saps like me. But I'd rather buy into that than the government saying they have no money and can afford to give the homeless and kids monatry help.
hot ice

Alamogordo, NM

#171 Dec 22, 2012
Forgotten faith wrote:
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Because humans are a dime a dozen. You can't deny the amount naive and idiotic people that are polluting this place with zero contribution than taking up space. And it's these people who cause a negative impact on all things around us. They deny you and I the very ability to have a wonderful and happy life.
Idiot 'reality shows' give idiot people idiotic ideas on what all life should be like...
I read an incident from an SPCA issue that this women dropped off her 2 Siamese cats because she had redecorated her home and.... THEY DIDNT MATCH THE DECOR!!! Now..... Who should put down in this situation??? The idiot women or the innocent cats?
Some of the most insane reasons for people giving up their animals really makes a sane person question the integrity of man.
Too big, too small, wrong color, I have a new boyfriend/girlfriend, i don't like it's bark/meow, it poops too much, it wants to go for walks too much.....
Are you seeing my point....?
So no most people who love animals see no reason in helping out a perfectly capable human when they've left behind something of innocence. We are a lazy, pathetic society. And our forefathers who worked their asses off must be so proud of us all. All we do is look for hand outs as in loans. Cars, clothes, furniture, houses crap, crap and more crap.
Soon it'll be xmas and it'll be another year of over spending.
So I'll take my Xmas money and make my yearly donation to the shelter and that poor child who's tree isn't full of crap will have to do without because their parents failed them by blowing their pay cheques on useless crap!!
IMO.... This is only an opinion.
Unfortunately places like AV pray on saps like me. But I'd rather buy into that than the government saying they have no money and can afford to give the homeless and kids monatry help.
I do hear what your saying. In a society all opinions are pertinent. Yet, there is a time an a season for all things under heaven. And a balance person will either grow or die. Meaning they will either positively affect their environment or they won't and their environment will die.
I have been reading Topics for a month or so now and hear a lot of either/or from most. I hear a lot of resentment towards others, blaming what sometimes seems like an invisible enemy because no one is admitting they reaped the rewards of a capitalistic culture. Everyone seems to favor the use of the word 'them' rather then 'we' or 'us'. The quietly loud cry sounds faintly familiar to the cry in Germany years ago concerning the dream of a type of master race. A people that will supposedly live magnificently orderly, articulate lives. I think those people are called fascists. A right wing people that think in terms of an attainable perfection. Those people, figuratively, scare me to death. They are a people that when you peel away the supposedly nice veneer, they want to wipe out a whole class of people simply because they don't want to deal with their existence. These fascists generally think in terms of a dog or cat or bird being of more value than the offending human.
I, am not now, nor do I desire to become a fascist.
Admit that we have an over population of mutts, stray cats and parakeets; then gas them. Uneducated people are not now or have they ever been of less value than dogs, cats or birds. Period.

Since: Sep 12

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#172 Dec 22, 2012
hot ice wrote:
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I do hear what your saying. In a society all opinions are pertinent. Yet, there is a time an a season for all things under heaven. And a balance person will either grow or die. Meaning they will either positively affect their environment or they won't and their environment will die.
I have been reading Topics for a month or so now and hear a lot of either/or from most. I hear a lot of resentment towards others, blaming what sometimes seems like an invisible enemy because no one is admitting they reaped the rewards of a capitalistic culture. Everyone seems to favor the use of the word 'them' rather then 'we' or 'us'. The quietly loud cry sounds faintly familiar to the cry in Germany years ago concerning the dream of a type of master race. A people that will supposedly live magnificently orderly, articulate lives. I think those people are called fascists. A right wing people that think in terms of an attainable perfection. Those people, figuratively, scare me to death. They are a people that when you peel away the supposedly nice veneer, they want to wipe out a whole class of people simply because they don't want to deal with their existence. These fascists generally think in terms of a dog or cat or bird being of more value than the offending human.
I, am not now, nor do I desire to become a fascist.
Admit that we have an over population of mutts, stray cats and parakeets; then gas them. Uneducated people are not now or have they ever been of less value than dogs, cats or birds. Period.
Of course people of any status are of 'less' value. But with that being said they should be held accountable for creating this over population issue. Nazi Germany or any other form of fascism has nothing to do with this.

It's the fact that if before me (as I'm only speaking for myself at this point) stood someone who has condemned their pet for such idiotic reasons as previously mentioned and shrugged their shoulders while this pet is pushed into a gas chamber.... I would have very little compassion for anything that would happen to this individual.

If anything these people should be forced to watch... As the animal inhales the toxic fumes. Their lungs, nasal cavities, ears, eyes and any other opening begins to burn. Blood pours out of every opening. The pain is excruitiating and they have no escape. Usually they begin fighting in cramped confinement. Picture 5 large dogs in a dog kennel! This procedure goes on for 40 mins and if by some small chance they survive they get put back in.

Somehow do we justify this all over the fact the owner wasn't responsible enough to take on the life responsibility of the animal?

The reason why there's a lot of them and us is because most of these topics turn into a debate. You are on the side that people are of higher importance. I am on the side that people should be held accountable for their neglect.

Animal rescues, advocates( within reason), shelters, are trying our best to give these animals a chance of life. After being dragged behind cars for fun, after being kicked, punched and beaten with bats for an accident, after being used for sexual interest by men, starved to death. 2 20 year old men were just in court for kicking and stomping on a st Bernard puppy. Broke its back, wired it's mouth shut, hung it by its neck, stabbed it in its back repeatedly and left it die which took about another 4 hours. All for fun... The one guy apologized for being 'immature'!?! Their punishment.... Nothing.

So we try our best to help these animals because their is less of us who care what happens to them and next to zero government help!

That is why this group puts so much of their focus and time emotional and physical strength into this. Its just unfortunate we have to wade through horrible money grab shelters as AV.

Since: Sep 12

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#173 Dec 22, 2012
There should have been a NOT in that first sentence. People Are NOT less value than...
Animals rule

Alamogordo, NM

#174 Dec 22, 2012
Of course animal life has more value than human life. God place them on this earth first.
puddle of hot ice

Alamogordo, NM

#175 Dec 22, 2012
Forgotten faith wrote:
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Of course people of any status are of 'less' value. But with that being said they should be held accountable for creating this over population issue. Nazi Germany or any other form of fascism has nothing to do with this.
It's the fact that if before me (as I'm only speaking for myself at this point) stood someone who has condemned their pet for such idiotic reasons as previously mentioned and shrugged their shoulders while this pet is pushed into a gas chamber.... I would have very little compassion for anything that would happen to this individual.
If anything these people should be forced to watch... As the animal inhales the toxic fumes. Their lungs, nasal cavities, ears, eyes and any other opening begins to burn. Blood pours out of every opening. The pain is excruitiating and they have no escape. Usually they begin fighting in cramped confinement. Picture 5 large dogs in a dog kennel! This procedure goes on for 40 mins and if by some small chance they survive they get put back in.
Somehow do we justify this all over the fact the owner wasn't responsible enough to take on the life responsibility of the animal?
The reason why there's a lot of them and us is because most of these topics turn into a debate. You are on the side that people are of higher importance. I am on the side that people should be held accountable for their neglect.
Animal rescues, advocates( within reason), shelters, are trying our best to give these animals a chance of life. After being dragged behind cars for fun, after being kicked, punched and beaten with bats for an accident, after being used for sexual interest by men, starved to death. 2 20 year old men were just in court for kicking and stomping on a st Bernard puppy. Broke its back, wired it's mouth shut, hung it by its neck, stabbed it in its back repeatedly and left it die which took about another 4 hours. All for fun... The one guy apologized for being 'immature'!?! Their punishment.... Nothing.
So we try our best to help these animals because their is less of us who care what happens to them and next to zero government help!
That is why this group puts so much of their focus and time emotional and physical strength into this. Its just unfortunate we have to wade through horrible money grab shelters as AV.
With so much bantering experienced here on Topics, I don't want to pass up this opportunity to thank you for your respectfulness and mature dialog.
I believe justice is the appropriate word. In my years of life, I have learned that quite often justice is served very often without our having to lift a finger. John Lennon called it 'instant karma'.
I have found that the pursuit of justice for all known offenders to me or in my opinion, will literally destroy me. So, in some philosophical realm, my latent desire to judge perceived injustice, will eventually bring justice down on me. Justice is a tricky wicket.
But, I do understand your point. It's funny (or not) but I have learned that only those who choose to love are guaranteed a broken heart. I know this because I personally had a turning point in my life. A time where love was not a desire and a day where being loved and loving caused me to see it is a choice I make as a solitary person. Some people want it and some people don't. If you find yourself being one person who desires the some what fickle spirit of love, do not think for a moment that you are the cosmic initiator.
What I'm trying to say is this. AAhhhh.......... it's late and I am struggling for eye, mind and fingers synchronicity.

Thanks again!
Concerned

Alamogordo, NM

#176 Jan 4, 2013
If animal Village is as bad as many say it is, you should be doing more than just commening here, for the sake of the animals.
Concerned

Alamogordo, NM

#177 Jan 4, 2013
should have said "commenting" here, for the sake of the animals.
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#178 Jan 12, 2013
Concerned wrote:
If animal Village is as bad as many say it is, you should be doing more than just commening here, for the sake of the animals.
Maybe you should put people first!

Since: Sep 12

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#180 Jan 19, 2013
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe you should put people first!
It's 'people' who've allowed these animals to be put in such a situation.

'people' can go to hell.
holy moly

Alamogordo, NM

#182 Jan 19, 2013
Forgotten faith wrote:
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It's 'people' who've allowed these animals to be put in such a situation.
'people' can go to hell.
maybe you have cabin fever. your so psycho that you don't see yourself as a people any longer?
In my opinion you should change your handle to forgotten people.
anyway, faith is a gift, it's not on the possibly forgettable list.

Since: Sep 12

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#183 Jan 19, 2013
Hmmm. You would think such comments would bother me. But they don't.
Must be the 'pshyco animal' in me.

In my opinion most people who have done harm to animals Ina torturous nature. Or have neglected them in a selfish manner. Are not human either.

I shed no tears for man as they are a selfish destructive creature.

Call it as you may but you can't deny the carnage we inflict. Animals are our Collateral damage.

And 'people' have caused it!

But I won't continue my dispute as your thoughts are merely a cluster f*ck of the general. And I have more things to dwell on than that.

Like the horse that was recently found starved by its owner or the dog that was dragged behind its owner quad!!

People!
spare me

Alamogordo, NM

#184 Jan 19, 2013
Forgotten faith wrote:
Hmmm. You would think such comments would bother me. But they don't.
Must be the 'pshyco animal' in me.
In my opinion most people who have done harm to animals Ina torturous nature. Or have neglected them in a selfish manner. Are not human either.
I shed no tears for man as they are a selfish destructive creature.
Call it as you may but you can't deny the carnage we inflict. Animals are our Collateral damage.
And 'people' have caused it!
But I won't continue my dispute as your thoughts are merely a cluster f*ck of the general. And I have more things to dwell on than that.
Like the horse that was recently found starved by its owner or the dog that was dragged behind its owner quad!!
People!
spare me the holier than thou BS.
anticipating people to be other than we have ever been is an illness.
just think, you would have no purpose on this earth if not for sick people.
if not for sick people, you wouldn't be better than anyone, then how would you survive?
Karlsmom

Denver, CO

#186 Mar 2, 2013
We adopted our dog from AV in Oct 2011. We felt our dog was very well cared for and had received great leash walking skills too. When you walk into any Vet's office or shelter, you will smell offensive odors. It's the nature of animals soiling inside. Our very own, top of the line, shelter in Denver (Denver dumb friends league) is the same way. It stinks. I used to work there and they clean ALL day long. I think Sunny was as friendly and kind to us as anyone is, I had a great experience there and continue to encourage friends to donate and adopt from AV.
the thrill

Alamogordo, NM

#187 Nov 11, 2013
Hindsight wrote:
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Ask the county deputies about Sunny's calls about animal hoarders - at least two senior citizen couples have reported that Sunny told them they had to relinquish several of their beloved cats as she was turning them in for abuse and hoarding (don't believe me, ask Louis the county Animal Control guy). By the time the deputies got to one house, all the animals had already been taken by Sunny and AV and so no charges could be brought - one senior woman was so upset that she told the deputy she would give up her beloved cat, but did not want Sunny to have it.
You can't strong arm people, make citizens arrests, or take people's pets just because you think you can.
Do you want to ask me about the nasty comments she has made toward local vets, animal control personnel, other rescues, and shelters directors outside Alamogordo? How about the folks that she screams at on the phone when they lose a job, a house, have a terminal illness or otherwise have to relocate their pets and look to a "no kill" shelter. I met two people the week of Feb 22 who looked to Sunny to take in their two FULLY VETTED YOUNG housecats after their terminally ill daughter developed severe allergic reactions to them. I did not know these people, but the young man told several of us that Sunny yelled at him about skipping out on his commitment to the cats - no excuses are allowed - and that she would only take them if the couple could pay her $500 per cat for their care until they could be adopted. When they tried to explain their medical bills didn't allow for that, Sunny hung up on them.
Do I really need to go on? Animal welfare is about educating people, being supportive to pet owners, and being decent to other human beings that can help support your efforts.
A pretty website and cheerful radio ads can't hide the ugly truth.
It has become pretty disturbing. Even AV's own volunteers who were devoted so early on, locals who helped launch her efforts (even going so far as to share their own 501(c)3 certificate until she got her own), have jumped ship and keep their distance.
All these people are unrelated and didn't make this stuff up. The cat owners were from another county.
How is all this allowed to happen?
hindsight are you still on here?
my my my

Carrizozo, NM

#188 Nov 17, 2013
what about wrote:
Here is a post from the Animal Village page adressing the issue of the concrete flooring:
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One o...f the things we are challenged by is that although we paid several THOUSAND dollars- twice- to have beautiful floors put in for our kennels, they began sloughing off almost immediately. The contractor would not give us our money back- not any of it. We are trying to get the money together to put in tile floors, as the 'bad' stuff seeps into the now-porous cement and no matter how hard it is scrubbed, the smell remains. It's embarrassing and so upsetting, because we spent SO much on the floors, and had closed kennel areas for months, waiting for the floors to be installed. Meanwhile we could not take as many pets from death-row...all for nothing!
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I would suggest that you go to the page and read through the many posts. There are those about dogs that CAME TO ANIMAL VILLAGE ALREADY SICK, money and time and love were spent on them, and some didn't make it. For example, the story of Michael and his two littermates. All three came with distemper. They take dogs from other shelters that were going to DIE. Dogs whose medical history is totally unknown. They are quarantined until vaccinated and vetted. Very young puppies and kittens are fostered out until their vaccinations are completed, whenever possible.
Don't criticize what you don't understand.
For more information on the reasons not to use tile in shelters see p. 15 of this NIH document. http://oacu.od.nih.gov/disaster/ShelterGuide....

The people that helped unwittingly participated in creating a hazardous condition. Sooner or later you will get the point.
well well well

Alamogordo, NM

#189 Nov 24, 2013
my my my wrote:
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For more information on the reasons not to use tile in shelters see p. 15 of this NIH document. http://oacu.od.nih.gov/disaster/ShelterGuide....
The people that helped unwittingly participated in creating a hazardous condition. Sooner or later you will get the point.
Look he loves animals more than he does his own wife. Do you beat puppies also hypocrite?
Beverly

Albuquerque, NM

#190 Feb 4, 2014
The hatred And ignorance I have noted in some of the posts is appling. People seem to have lost focus that both kitty city and ANVM are both trying to save death row animals. The monies that has been requested for accepting a " found" animal is to off set the cost of caring for that animal for what may be a day or several years. To pay the salaries for a skeleton staff who work extremely hard. To pay for vetting, food, and basic utilities. If the staff or managers seem brusque; perhaps they are in the midst of caring for an animal in crisis; attempting to save a death row pet or perhaps have noted your style of pet ownership does not meet the standards of their facilities. Is: indoor cays only, all existing pets must be spayed or neutered and dogs may not be chained in a yard and forgotten.And yes pets have been adopted, these promises broken and they have been returned. Two dogs are currently being re-rescued and are being flown by Pilot's for paws across many states. Yes my family has adopted two amazing dogs from AV and I volunteer; but not nearly enough. I have also had dealings with Animal Control and Kitty City and have found nothing but kind and caring people who do the best with the limited resources they have. So please stop spouting hatred and if you are truly an animal advocate try and support these facilities. And

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