"In God We Trust"
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Excluded Citizen

Alamogordo, NM

#1 Jan 9, 2013
This is a response from the Mayor justifying her resolution (i.e. "In Gods We Trust")
Mayor Susie Galea wrote:
I regret to learn through our disagreement that you would withdraw your support of me in the future. I hope you will allow me this time to simply explain my point of view. I don't seek to change your mind, but I hope through a respectful exchange that both of us will achieve understanding.

Throughout trying times in our history—the Revolution, the War of 1812, the Civil War, and the Cold War—Americans have embraced the meaning of the motto,‘In God We Trust’. It is only appropriate that we remember it today for what it is: neither mere words printed on the dollars in your wallet or an establishment of religion, but an acknowledgement of “the providence of Almighty God.” What is providence? Providence is divine guidance or care. Perhaps some receive divine guidance in their own self-proclaimed beliefs, and that is perfectly acceptable since there is no debate of religious beliefs or freedoms, nor in only that which only Science can prove. Science, logic, and reason are all methods used in decision making. Why is divine guidance also used in government? To put all trust and reason in science where there is room for human error is not supreme. The world was once known to be flat but it’s certainly been a sphere from the beginning, there were once less than a dozen planets but now more than 1 billion are documented, and this list can go on. Through providence, the explorations beyond the stated and limited scientific information will continue to be sought. We The People, being represented by the elect and open-minded, will not be stifled or freedoms taken. In God We Trust for the divine guidance and care that has brought us to the present day of liberties, and with stout hearts and minds we look forward to an even better tomorrow.

‘In God We Trust’ does not promote one religion or theology, nor trample on the congressional divide of church and state. It is a statement of patriotism upon the founding principles for which we continue to improve upon as we acknowledge the providence of the Almighty God (whoever He, She, They, or It may be in individual theory is not a test or debate).

~Susie
eraserhead

Alamogordo, NM

#2 Jan 9, 2013
Excluded Citizen wrote:
This is a response from the Mayor justifying her resolution (i.e. "In Gods We Trust")
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get over yourself!
Puke

Alamogordo, NM

#3 Jan 10, 2013
I like the mayors response. Its educated. I don't agree with all of it. it reminds me of a country song that states, "you've got to stand for something, or youll fall or anything". If we don't trust in a higher power, then who? If we ever believe in people we'd soon me in a dictatorship.
LOL

Alamogordo, NM

#4 Jan 10, 2013
eraserhead wrote:
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get over yourself!
I'd rather trust in God than anything else. The motto doesn't hurt anyone.
I don't currently trust that elected people in DC aren't spending my money and looking for more ways to give my money to people that refuse to educate themselves and work. I wish they trusted in a hire power enough to make just, fair, and equal decisions. You can't measure fairness by science and absolute reason. who's watching the elected people that like to think they have more power than god and don't have to answer to the peoples? Congress should adopt "in the peoples money we trust" - would you like that locally too? OR, how about "in china we trust" (please don't stop giving the US money to fund ObamaCare).
remove susie from office

Alamogordo, NM

#5 Jan 10, 2013
here we go. enjoy the ride
skeleton in susies closet

Alamogordo, NM

#6 Jan 10, 2013
"It is a statement of patriotism upon the founding principles for which we continue to improve upon as we acknowledge the providence of the Almighty God (whoever He, She, They, or It may be in individual theory is not a test or debate)".

Did you learn that one from your how to be a mayor for dummies book. I saw what you did there. Linking it with patriotism and all. Because you just aren't Merican if you disagree with it now.
Supreme leader

Alamogordo, NM

#7 Jan 10, 2013
Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
Supreme leader

Alamogordo, NM

#8 Jan 10, 2013

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#9 Jan 10, 2013
Puke wrote:
I like the mayors response. Its educated. I don't agree with all of it. it reminds me of a country song that states, "you've got to stand for something, or youll fall or anything". If we don't trust in a higher power, then who? If we ever believe in people we'd soon me in a dictatorship.
Really? that's an awesome song. I mean you didn't quote the, "QUOTE" from any other origin than a stupid country song! I think that is the whole problem here. Brainless backwood idiots that just want a pat on the back for following in lock step. If you wish for me to continue telling you whats wrong with the rest of your statement, then I can.
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#10 Jan 10, 2013
sidestepping public ordinances to play favorites for business, playing up to religious groups. Looks like Susie is bring the ole pay to play style politics to town. Whats next Susie? Banning guns?
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#11 Jan 10, 2013
We need to tear down the library Susie. I am sure we both agree that we don't want people to learn about their rights, right? How much will it cost me to get this done? Have your people call my people. Chao
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#12 Jan 10, 2013
Throughout trying times in our history—the Revolution, the War of 1812, the Civil War, and the Cold War—Americans have embraced the meaning of the motto,‘In God We Trust’. It is only appropriate that we remember it today for what it is: neither mere words printed on the dollars in your wallet or an establishment of religion, but an acknowledgement of “the providence of Almighty God.” What is providence? Providence is divine guidance or care. Perhaps some receive divine guidance in their own self-proclaimed beliefs, and that is perfectly acceptable since there is no debate of religious beliefs or freedoms, nor in only that which only Science can prove. Science, logic, and reason are all methods used in decision making. Why is divine guidance also used in government? To put all trust and reason in science where there is room for human error is not supreme. The world was once known to be flat but it’s certainly been a sphere from the beginning, there were once less than a dozen planets but now more than 1 billion are documented, and this list can go on. Through providence, the explorations beyond the stated and limited scientific information will continue to be sought. We The People, being represented by the elect and open-minded, will not be stifled or freedoms taken. In God We Trust for the divine guidance and care that has brought us to the present day of liberties, and with stout hearts and minds we look forward to an even better tomorrow.

Here is where Susie gives us all a history lesson so that we can learn to like it. She obviously knows more than you because she proves it right here. Most of the founding fathers of this country were not religious. I couldn't possibly debate this with a broader brush of what religion has done for the world.
Auctioneer

Alamogordo, NM

#13 Jan 10, 2013
Someone told me to come here because Susie was selling out to the highest bidder.
union blue coat

Alamogordo, NM

#14 Jan 10, 2013
what's this I hear about a government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth?
union blue coat

Alamogordo, NM

#15 Jan 10, 2013
and I suppose Lincoln didn't call it the year of the LORD either.
and I'm sure the calendar years beginning at Jesus birthday was something the people didn't want also.
As for me, I will worship the Lord!
Gorky

Albuquerque, NM

#16 Jan 10, 2013
I agree with Mayor Galea's reply, although maybe not for the same reason.

The words "In God we Trust", as the Mayor wrote, acknowledges the fact that science does not incorporate or explain the dreams and thoughts of human beings in regards to that which we don't and cannot possibly understand, because it is not in the realm of logic. That may be the reason why we invented the concept of God: something to explain the unexplainable.

However, she must have opened a sore spot within the egos of some of the replying males for them to have this reaction.
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#17 Jan 10, 2013
I tried to tell you about this mayor. But than again I tried to tell you about this President. Don't worry that little deduction you saw in your last pay check is going to a good obama cause! LMAO!
Gorky

Albuquerque, NM

#18 Jan 10, 2013
I know you tried your best, WARRIOR, but you were still wrong. Both are still doing their job well.
Thank you Warrior

Surprise, AZ

#19 Jan 10, 2013
'In Obama We Trust'! Why not? He already acts like god.
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#20 Jan 10, 2013
Gorky wrote:
I know you tried your best, WARRIOR, but you were still wrong. Both are still doing their job well.
How's that welfare check Gorky, was it the same or less this time around?

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