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#1 Dec 1, 2008
They blow up planned parenthood clinics, kill children in Jewish centers and threaten our new president because they somehow got it in their heads that Obama is Muslim when he is not.
Psyche Daddy

Albuquerque, NM

#2 Dec 6, 2008
Kill children in Jewish centers? I haven't heard that one. Could you explain that one further?

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#3 Dec 6, 2008
August 16, 1999
Web posted at: 10:13 p.m. EDT (0213 GMT)
From staff and wire reports
LOS ANGELES (CNN)-- Parents on Monday escorted their children back to preschool and day camp at the North Valley Jewish Community Center for the first time since last week's attack left three youngsters, a teen and one adult wounded by gunfire.
"We are sending a message that evil will be vanquished," said Jeffrey Rouss, executive vice president of the 12 Jewish Community Centers of Greater Los Angeles. "We are not going to let a monster like that stop us."
The alleged gunman, white supremacist Buford O. Furrow Jr., was charged with the murder of a postal worker and the attempted murder of the center's five shooting victims after he surrendered to the FBI in Las Vegas.
Rouss said the children's parents had asked that reporters not mention Furrow's name when talking to them. "The monster doesn't have a name," he said.
One of the shooting victims, 6-year-old Joshua Stepakoff, showed up with his wounded foot in a cast.
Counselors available for young and old
Rouss said security at all the city's Jewish community centers had been increased and 10 police cruisers had been stationed outside the North Valley facility.
After Furrow was arrested, he told authorities he had not meant to harm any children, but that "they got in the way." The shooting, he reportedly said, was "a wake-up call to America to kill Jews."
Five-year-old Benjamin Kadish, the only victim still hospitalized, was moved out of the intensive care unit at Children's Hospital Los Angeles on Monday; he remained in serious condition.
Counselors were on hand at the community center to help lessen the inevitable effects of post traumatic stress.
Anti-Semitic graffiti was spray-painted on a North Hollywood synagogue over the weekend
"There are obvious signs of crying, fearfulness with children -- clinginess, regressive behavior," said Sally Weber of Jewish Family Services.
She also said there was denial: "'I'm fine and I don't know why you want to talk to me.'"
Counselors were also addressing senior citizens at the center.
"It's going to evoke a lot of feelings about the Holocaust, about anti-Semitic experiences they had growing up," Weber said.
Those feelings may have also been fueled by the swastika and "Jews die" message spray-painted on a North Hollywood synagogue over the weekend.
Report: 5 hate crimes per day in California
The Rev. Jesse Jackson, speaking to reporters outside the center, said there was "a growing underbelly of violence in this country," and called on the federal government to crack down on hate groups.
"If the government knows there are 555 hate groups that appear on the Web, it has to be more aggressive in combating them," the civil rights leader said in reference to government statistics about the number of such groups that have Internet sites.
Jackson said he was not challenging the hate groups' First Amendment rights to express their feelings on the Internet, noting, "It is not their hatred that is the challenge; it is their violence."
Across town, community leaders gathered at the Simon Wiesenthal Center's Museum of Tolerance, pledging resources to fight hate crimes.
"We're determined to speak out against it and to take all appropriate actions to help combat this new venom," said California Attorney General Bill Lockyer.
Lockyer announced the formation of a new Civil Rights Commission on Hate Crimes to monitor extremist groups and coordinate police and community response to such crimes.
State government statistics released Monday showed California law enforcement agencies reported a total of 1,750 hate crimes in 1998, an average of nearly five per day.
Correspondent Siobhan Darrow, The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
Psyche Daddy wrote:
Kill children in Jewish centers? I haven't heard that one. Could you explain that one further?

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#4 Dec 6, 2008
Children and adults overcome fears at Los Angeles Jewish center

Pre-school children were escorted back to the North Valley Jewish Community Center on Monday for the first time since last week's attack
Last shooting victim moved out of intensive care

August 16, 1999
Web posted at: 10:13 p.m. EDT (0213 GMT)

From staff and wire reports

LOS ANGELES (CNN)-- Parents on Monday escorted their children back to preschool and day camp at the North Valley Jewish Community Center for the first time since last week's attack left three youngsters, a teen and one adult wounded by gunfire.

"We are sending a message that evil will be vanquished," said Jeffrey Rouss, executive vice president of the 12 Jewish Community Centers of Greater Los Angeles. "We are not going to let a monster like that stop us."

The alleged gunman, white supremacist Buford O. Furrow Jr., was charged with the murder of a postal worker and the attempted murder of the center's five shooting victims after he surrendered to the FBI in Las Vegas.

Rouss said the children's parents had asked that reporters not mention Furrow's name when talking to them. "The monster doesn't have a name," he said.

Clowns, funny hair and friendship

The children had their own reasons for wanting to return to the center.

"My children especially needed to see the faces of their friends, their counselors, their teachers," said Bonnie Gottlieb, whose two children attend the preschool.

One of the shooting victims, 6-year-old Joshua Stepakoff, showed up with his wounded foot in a cast.

"My oldest son went over and signed his cast," said Steve Yeager, a former catcher with the Los Angeles Dodgers, whose two sons attend the center. "I had to get out of bed early to bring them here. They got me up to bring them here."

Many of the youngsters arrived with bright green and purple hair for "Crazy Hair Day," aimed at creating an atmosphere of fun for the reopening of the day camp.
Psyche Daddy wrote:
Kill children in Jewish centers? I haven't heard that one. Could you explain that one further?

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#5 Dec 6, 2008
Clowns and magicians were on hand along with guards and police officers as 99 percent of the children returned to the center where the attack happened last Tuesday.

Counselors available for young and old

Rouss said security at all the city's Jewish community centers had been increased and 10 police cruisers had been stationed outside the North Valley facility.

After Furrow was arrested, he told authorities he had not meant to harm any children, but that "they got in the way." The shooting, he reportedly said, was "a wake-up call to America to kill Jews."

Five-year-old Benjamin Kadish, the only victim still hospitalized, was moved out of the intensive care unit at Children's Hospital Los Angeles on Monday; he remained in serious condition.

Counselors were on hand at the community center to help lessen the inevitable effects of post traumatic stress.


Anti-Semitic graffiti was spray-painted on a North Hollywood synagogue over the weekend
"There are obvious signs of crying, fearfulness with children -- clinginess, regressive behavior," said Sally Weber of Jewish Family Services.

She also said there was denial: "'I'm fine and I don't know why you want to talk to me.'"

Counselors were also addressing senior citizens at the center.

"It's going to evoke a lot of feelings about the Holocaust, about anti-Semitic experiences they had growing up," Weber said.

Those feelings may have also been fueled by the swastika and "Jews die" message spray-painted on a North Hollywood synagogue over the weekend.

Report: 5 hate crimes per day in California

The Rev. Jesse Jackson, speaking to reporters outside the center, said there was "a growing underbelly of violence in this country," and called on the federal government to crack down on hate groups.

"If the government knows there are 555 hate groups that appear on the Web, it has to be more aggressive in combating them," the civil rights leader said in reference to government statistics about the number of such groups that have Internet sites.

Jackson said he was not challenging the hate groups' First Amendment rights to express their feelings on the Internet, noting, "It is not their hatred that is the challenge; it is their violence."

Across town, community leaders gathered at the Simon Wiesenthal Center's Museum of Tolerance, pledging resources to fight hate crimes.

"We're determined to speak out against it and to take all appropriate actions to help combat this new venom," said California Attorney General Bill Lockyer.

Lockyer announced the formation of a new Civil Rights Commission on Hate Crimes to monitor extremist groups and coordinate police and community response to such crimes.

State government statistics released Monday showed California law enforcement agencies reported a total of 1,750 hate crimes in 1998, an average of nearly five per day.

Correspondent Siobhan Darrow, The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.

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#6 Dec 6, 2008
Indian police surround Jewish center hit by gunmen
Thursday, November 27, 2008

By JENNY BARCHFIELD, Associated Press Writer

MUMBAI, India Twelve hours after gunmen stormed a Jewish center in Mumbai, Sandra Samuel heard the cries of a small child outside the room in which she had barricaded herself.

She opened the door, grabbed a 2-year-old old boy and ran outside with another center worker. They are the only ones to have emerged from the house run by the ultra-orthodox Jewish group Chabad Lubavitch.

"I took the child, I just grabbed the baby and ran out," said Samuel, 44, who has worked as a cook for the center for the last five years.

The boy, whom she identified as Moshe Holtzberg, the son of Rabbi Gavriel Noach Holtzberg, was unharmed _ but his blood-soaked pants spoke of the horrors inside. Holtzberg is the main representative at Chabad house.

Samuel, who was looking after the boy at a nearby police station, said that as she ran out, she saw four people lying on the floor, apparently "unconscious."

Chabad spokesman Moni Ender in Israel said there were eight Israelis inside the house, including Rabbi Holtzberg and his wife.

Dozens of Indian commandoes have surrounded the five-story building, where heavy curtains hung behind windows broken by gunfire. Outside the center, thousands of people stood in the narrow alleyways watching the standoff.

The gunmen stormed the building Wednesday night during a series of coordinated attacks across this seaside city that have killed at least 100 people. A group of suspected Muslim militants claimed responsibility.

Rabbi Zalman Shmotkin, a spokesman for the Lubavitch movement in New York, said the gunmen seized a police vehicle, which allowed them access to the area around the Chabad house, which serves as an educational center, a synagogue and offers drug prevention services.

Samuel said she and Zakir Hussein, 22, the center's caretaker, locked themselves in their first floor room when they saw a gunman running up the stairs.

"Israelis and Jews, wherever they are, are under threat," said Ehud Raz, chief security officer at the Israeli consulate in Mumbai. "They are a target."

Neighbors had tried to protect the house as armed gunmen seized it Wednesday night. They clashed with the gunmen and throwing rocks at them in an effort to drive the militants away, said Puran Doshi, a businessman who lives nearby.

The crowd eventually retreated under fire from the assailants, who also threw several hand grenades, he said.

"They shot indiscriminately into the crowd," Doshi said.

Sanjay Bhasme, 40, who lives in the building behind Chabad house, said he notified the police after the shooting began about 9:45 p.m., but they took more than 30 minutes to arrive _ and only after he'd repeatedly telephoned for help.

"My mind is on pause," said Joel Kurulkar, 24, a member of Mumbai's small Jewish community who was waiting outside. "I just want Rabbi to be safe, I just want Rabbi and his wife to come out."

___

On the Net:

Chabad Lubavitch: http://www.chabad.org/772546

(This version CORRECTS Corrects spelling of name)

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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#7 Dec 6, 2008
Dang, we just had Jehovah's come to our house...I swear, we live in a very rural part of High Rolls where you need a 4x4 to get up our driveway...and yet they still find us! Hahaha! Probably scared them to death, just had gotten out the shower, was in my bathrobe and when I opened the door our three dogs went running out after them!:) They quickly left! ;)

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#8 Dec 6, 2008
Joplin Sell wrote:
Dang, we just had Jehovah's come to our house...I swear, we live in a very rural part of High Rolls where you need a 4x4 to get up our driveway...and yet they still find us! Hahaha! Probably scared them to death, just had gotten out the shower, was in my bathrobe and when I opened the door our three dogs went running out after them!:) They quickly left! ;)
What Jop? I have already told them THREE times not to come back.(being nice as we are of course). Why can't they take no for an answer?!

I know they are trying to save our souls, but come on, for three years coming to our home?!

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#9 Dec 6, 2008
Good thing my robe didn't come open or they would have really been scared!! HAHAHAHA!
Shushan

Tularosa, NM

#10 Dec 6, 2008
Joplin Sell wrote:
Dang, we just had Jehovah's come to our house...I swear, we live in a very rural part of High Rolls where you need a 4x4 to get up our driveway...and yet they still find us! Hahaha! Probably scared them to death, just had gotten out the shower, was in my bathrobe and when I opened the door our three dogs went running out after them!:) They quickly left! ;)
This sounds vaguely familiar about someone else on this forum getting irate because a dog came out of a house and chased him when he knocked on their door uninvited? eh? Double standard perhaps?

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pass the dutchie

Orange Park, FL

#11 Dec 6, 2008
seems to me that there are other factors besides "fanatic Christian fundamentalist". like, uh, i dont know, crazy morons who dont know up from down?? no doubt people who claim to be Christians can be just that, but please dont group them all together. wait, that sounds whiny...yeah, but anyway, so much for open-mindedness around here.

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#12 Dec 6, 2008
Tell them you are a Witch, I promise, you will never see them again.
Leo Cuevas wrote:
<quoted text>
What Jop? I have already told them THREE times not to come back.(being nice as we are of course). Why can't they take no for an answer?!
I know they are trying to save our souls, but come on, for three years coming to our home?!

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#13 Dec 6, 2008
There is a difference between a Christian and a fanatic Christian. We get that, which at you?
pass the dutchie wrote:
seems to me that there are other factors besides "fanatic Christian fundamentalist". like, uh, i dont know, crazy morons who dont know up from down?? no doubt people who claim to be Christians can be just that, but please dont group them all together. wait, that sounds whiny...yeah, but anyway, so much for open-mindedness around here.

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#14 Dec 6, 2008
Leo Cuevas wrote:
<quoted text>
What Jop? I have already told them THREE times not to come back.(being nice as we are of course). Why can't they take no for an answer?!
I know they are trying to save our souls, but come on, for three years coming to our home?!
It seems to me that if they have been coming to a remote area of High Rolls for three years to talk with you, there's some ulterior motive here.
Bill English

Rio Rancho, NM

#15 Dec 6, 2008
Fanatics are dangerous. Religious fanatics are the most dangerous of all...

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#16 Dec 6, 2008
Shushan wrote:
<quoted text>
This sounds vaguely familiar about someone else on this forum getting irate because a dog came out of a house and chased him when he knocked on their door uninvited? eh? Double standard perhaps?
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You know those tea cup Chihuahua's that fit in your pocket can sure cause alot of damage! He was being silly, our dogs are not aggressive one bit, in fact, one is almost blind.

No dog chased me, the owner actually left the BIG dog on the porch as he slammed the door shut on me and the dog actually bit my leg and foot.

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#17 Dec 6, 2008
Wicky Stick wrote:
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It seems to me that if they have been coming to a remote area of High Rolls for three years to talk with you, there's some ulterior motive here.
I've never really thought that. They are usually nice and WE TOO are nice. We say, "no thank you" with a smile. They probably check us off on their clipboard as nice people, convinceable, return in six months vs us yelling at them, "go away, leave us alone", then they probably would? Then again, maybe not?!
Shushan

Tularosa, NM

#18 Dec 6, 2008
Leo Cuevas wrote:
<quoted text>
I've never really thought that. They are usually nice and WE TOO are nice. We say, "no thank you" with a smile. They probably check us off on their clipboard as nice people, convinceable, return in six months vs us yelling at them, "go away, leave us alone", then they probably would? Then again, maybe not?!
It's very simple... DON'T OPEN THE DOOR. Problem solved. I would NEVER open the front door to a stranger.

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Karma

Alamogordo, NM

#19 Dec 6, 2008
Deborah Goldberg wrote:
Tell them you are a Witch, I promise, you will never see them again.
<quoted text>
Wrong, Their MISSION is to convert people. You tell them you are a Witch they will try harder to convert you. You tell them you are Catholic, they know they can never convert Catholics.

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#20 Dec 6, 2008
No, I wouldn't lie or claim a religion to just make them go away. I just told them "no thank," ushered the dogs back in the house, while trying to keep my bathrobe from opening up...if it did, I am sure they would have been back! HA!

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