Vacancy signs dot Downtown: Fewer border crossers create empty ...

[Nacho]

PinkyandNoBrain wrote:

2006: 6.19 million pedestrians, 3.39 million vehicles.
2007: 6.88 million pedestrians, 2.86 million vehicles.*
2008: 6.24 million pedestrians, 2.18 million vehicles.
2009:** 4.67 million pedestrians, 1.63 million vehicles.
Even if these millions of border crossers spend only $1 each, that's a lot of dollars for el taco's economy. The reality is that they spend much more.

Where did you get those figures?

No reason for name calling of this city. The remark has racial slur written all over it.

Maybe you should worry about your Sun City only.

[Nacho]

PinkyandNoBrain wrote:

Deport them Mexicans. Keep them out of your city. Before you know it, you won't have much of a city. Your city depends so much on the Mexican people buying things and you don't realize it. I vote for closing the border. This will only send your craphole of a town further down the toilet. Find out how much money mexicans spend in El Paso daily.
First it will be VACANT APARTMENTS.
Next it will be VACANT STORES.
Next it will be rising UNEMPLOYMENT.
Next it will be BI-ATCH BI-ATCH about the screwed up economy.

You must be a joy to be around with.

May "God Bless You," because you have hate inside of you.

[PinkyandNoBrain]

Ok Pancho!

You should read the articles attached to these blogs. You will find these numbers in that attachement. The numbers were provided by your customs office.

W/r to El Taco, it's how El Paso is affectionately known.

No hate here, in case you didn't read the sarcasm. There's a bit of that in the post.

And yes, I'm a freakin' hoot to be around. Even though we disagree, you'd enjoy hanging out with me within the first 5 minutes.

Chill out Pancho! And no, I am not in the Sun City.

[Nacho]

PinkyandNoBrain wrote:

Ok Pancho!
You should read the articles attached to these blogs. You will find these numbers in that attachement. The numbers were provided by your customs office.
W/r to El Taco, it's how El Paso is affectionately known.
No hate here, in case you didn't read the sarcasm. There's a bit of that in the post.
And yes, I'm a freakin' hoot to be around. Even though we disagree, you'd enjoy hanging out with me within the first 5 minutes.
Chill out Pancho! And no, I am not in the Sun City.

Chill out pinkies and it is Nacho. Then where are you at if not the Sun City?

Another out of townee without knowing an insult. You don't have to resort to name
calling. It is not affectionately known as that acronym either. If no hate please
refrain from racial slurs and insults. No sarcasm here either. The post is from out of town
folks and not from the local populace. Wish you the best.

I started reading your other posts and like what I hear and if you knew my posts you would know agreeing to disagree is part of my point either way. I believe in internet etiquette and believe racial slurs should be kept out. Like you on the outside I am easygoing and enjoy people.

Peace...

[Rey]

There is a town in Pa. that lost it's industrial base and a military installation that was a major employer. In short the town almost died.

It took it's uniqueness,cleaned, and renovated.
It is very sucessfful today as small town with small shops. Antiques and unusal items. The town is very colorful. Not a single skyscaper in view. But it does have tourist and shoppers.

Some of you might remember it as the town where the movie "The Blob" was filmed. There is an annual event organized around that film.

So look for what is unqiue about EP and build on it. It's nonsense to want to be like another city. Just like some people have no business trying to wear certain fashions. Doesnt always work for a some.

All this obession of wanting to look like San Antonio, Dallas, San Fran, etc. Common sense tells you if you like a certain place so much, move to it. I did, I moved to EP.

[dejavu]

dang rey, i saw that movie the other night. steve mcqueen was in it.

[Rey]

I would name the city but hope people will take the time to research for themselves. The area is very nice.

[Boot]

Isn't Nacho a Mexican name? Ignacio?

My location changes depending on the day. Don't worry too much about my location. Truth is that I could be your next door neighbor. It's not too hard have many locations show up on the blogs.

Weren't you one of the guys trying to get rid of Mexicans? Get rid of illegals? Maybe it was another Nacho?

I've known El Paso most of my life. With small little stints away on travel and other longer stints away working. Still like El Paso quite a bit. Like Juarez and feel for the people out there.

I've read some of your other posts and have agreed to disagree many times. I think we can get along well. Don't take the posts so personally. The beauty of the internet is that we can have completely different views on life and still live within the same network.

Funny thing is I have a friend who has completely opposite views from mine. We have a blast arguing with one another. Hehehe.

Hang in there and don't take life too seriously. It will be over much sooner than we believe.

Paz!

The Boot!

[PinkyandNoBrain]

So, did you figure out where the numbers came from? I think my location is obvious.

So, if you look at these numbers, they show how many pedestrians and cars have come across from J-Town to El Paso.

2006: 6.19 million pedestrians, 3.39 million vehicles.
2007: 6.88 million pedestrians, 2.86 million vehicles.*
2008: 6.24 million pedestrians, 2.18 million vehicles.
2009:** 4.67 million pedestrians, 1.63 million vehicles.

You see that there is a much lower number of pedestrians in 2009 and a significantly lower number of cars in 2009.

So, even for 2009, assume that every pedestrian comes here to spend $10. You are looking at a contribution into the El Paso economy of 46.7M per year. Assume that cars bring across 3-4 people, you are looking at about 8M more people. Multiplied by our infamous $10 bill. You are looking at another $80M per year. So, you may be getting as much as $120M a year from the Juarez people coming across to El Paso for purchasing things. This number is much higher if you take into account the holidays.

Just take a look at all the fast food places in the downtown. They are always packed with Mexican people. Take a look at all the stores downtown. Who do you all think buys from these stores? It's the Mexican people. Take a drive by all the WalMarts (Mesa, Cielo Vista, etc.), you'll see that Mexicans are contributing heavily to the El Paso economy. Check out a lot of the restaurants on weekends. You got it. Mexicans spending money.

Point being that El Paso is very much dependent on Juarez.

W/r to vacancies, it starts off with vacant apartments, followed by vacant stores, followed by unemployment, followed by crime, etc. These types of things happen across the USA all the time. How much are you willing to allow?

[Nacho]

Boot wrote:

Isn't Nacho a Mexican name? Ignacio?
My location changes depending on the day. Don't worry too much about my location. Truth is that I could be your next door neighbor. It's not too hard have many locations show up on the blogs.
Weren't you one of the guys trying to get rid of Mexicans? Get rid of illegals? Maybe it was another Nacho?
I've known El Paso most of my life. With small little stints away on travel and other longer stints away working. Still like El Paso quite a bit. Like Juarez and feel for the people out there.
I've read some of your other posts and have agreed to disagree many times. I think we can get along well. Don't take the posts so personally. The beauty of the internet is that we can have completely different views on life and still live within the same network.
Funny thing is I have a friend who has completely opposite views from mine. We have a blast arguing with one another. Hehehe.
Hang in there and don't take life too seriously. It will be over much sooner than we believe.
Paz!
The Boot!

Pinky or Boot:

It could be me about Mexicans on immigration issues. My stance is people don't understand the reason's they come here. I am not for illegal immigration and believe our laws should be enforced. Not in the sense of heavy handed deportation but go after the employers of these people. There should also be a guest worker program like #43 suggested. If you cross it should be done legally because the majority of these laborers only want to return home with enough money to feed their family.

Like you I have a few friends that are heavy in the other direction too. Some of these are Republican which I can identify with on certain issues. The problem I have with both is two different things. One thinks democratic but will follow family tradition and vote Republican. The other votes Republican because he shook a former President's hand and rigid to an open mind on issues. To me an open mind is what all people should have. A person should make up their own mind and decide your stance on each issue. I lean demo. but will never rule out a candidate if he/she has similar views.

[Nacho]

Boot wrote:

Isn't Nacho a Mexican name? Ignacio?
My location changes depending on the day. Don't worry too much about my location. Truth is that I could be your next door neighbor. It's not too hard have many locations show up on the blogs.
Weren't you one of the guys trying to get rid of Mexicans? Get rid of illegals? Maybe it was another Nacho?
I've known El Paso most of my life. With small little stints away on travel and other longer stints away working. Still like El Paso quite a bit. Like Juarez and feel for the people out there.
I've read some of your other posts and have agreed to disagree many times. I think we can get along well. Don't take the posts so personally. The beauty of the internet is that we can have completely different views on life and still live within the same network.
Funny thing is I have a friend who has completely opposite views from mine. We have a blast arguing with one another. Hehehe.
Hang in there and don't take life too seriously. It will be over much sooner than we believe.
Paz!
The Boot!

Oops got off subject. The reason I inquired about location is many post of knowing the border and never have been here or experienced the area. Glad to hear you know the El Paso area. It is not perfect by a long shot but isn't as bad as people post.

Good advice on not taking things personally. Some of the posters out there only post insults and racial slurs and this is where internet etiquette should be followed. There is a poster who uses a similar/same name from time to time who uses expletives.

Peace...

[Rey]

Those figures are interesting but can you break them down to show how many are Americans or Legal Residents going to work or returning to the US? Im sure that the majority will be people from Juarez in town for business or shopping.

[Boot]

Hey Nacho.

Glad you aren't taking things personally. Read a tiny little book by Don Miguel Ruiz called The Four Agreements. It's kind of refreshing. The Toltec teachings.

I personally am not for or against illegals coming here. I am very much against the crazy deportation rants. I don't believe that simply deporting people fixes anything. Deportation along with strict enforcement of the entire border would work better. Ultimately, you would actually have to equalize wages and change the NAFTA rules in order to keep people within their countries. Trade equalization is what is needed, not free trade.

I have to agree w/your concern on whether I've been around the border. I have had the pleasure and honor of being around the border most of my life. I've been around the poorest parts of Juarez and El Paso and fully understand what is going on and why people come here. I've been around other parts of Mexico as poor or poorer than areas of Juarez and understand very well why people would leave their homeland, their families, their wives, their kids, etc. in search for a better tomorrow.

W/r to coming here legally. It can take 20 yrs for an educated Mexican to come to the USA without a sponsor. Immigration is very inefficient. There are some caviots. If you are wealthy, you can easily get Visas to come here. For the poor to get workers permits or green cards, you are talking 20+ yrs. Unfortunately, hungry kids can't wait 20 yrs to eat. Even for a professional in the USA who marries a foreigner, it takes as much as 4-5 yrs to get a resident alien card for the spouse.

W/r to temporary workers. We've had those in the past. They were called BRACEROS. They came here during times of war (my grandpa was one, my uncle was one and various other relatives). One problem with these programs is that we are happy to have people come and help when we need them, but are always too happy to chase them out during hard times. If the economy was not so screwed up right now, Americans would not be so worried about illegals. It seems that as soon as things start going bad, we start blaming the illegals for everything.

There are jobs to do and things to do that can't get done with the current work force. Take a look around Tucson/Phoenix area, where the fast food industry can't pay enough for people to come and work ($8-9 per hr is not enough to attract workers). Guess how they fill the jobs? You can't expect for restaurants and the like to pay high wages $20/hr for making burgers, etc. These places couldn't afford to function. You drive around these places and see signs all over the place that say HIRING. You walk in and you find lots of mexican people who are happy to work and to serve. Where are all these Americans who are complaining and crying about illegals taking their jobs?

W/r to El Paso. I like that place. I've worked there 2Xs as a professional. I made excellent money. I moved away in search of my higher calling. There are definitely not enough opportunities out there. This doesn't mean that you can't make your destiny. I was not patient enough to wait around and still have no patience. I think you all have a very nice city and I'd gladly live there if there was more industry and technical work.

Paz!

[Joe]

Sinaloa wrote:

<quoted text>I highly agree with the "Old Town" affect and the Alligators. I never did get to see them fed. Did you?:)

No -- before my time but it sounded like a good place the way it was back then. That was when people actually would go downtown and shop, there were decent stores there then.

Go downtown now and you see piles of used clothes laying on filthy sidewalks and parking lots, the vendors don't even bother trying to disply them on hangers or folded in stacks. El Paso looks more and more like a third world market place.

[Joe]

PinkyandNoBrain wrote:

So, did you figure out where the numbers came from? I think my location is obvious.
So, if you look at these numbers, they show how many pedestrians and cars have come across from J-Town to El Paso.
2006: 6.19 million pedestrians, 3.39 million vehicles.
2007: 6.88 million pedestrians, 2.86 million vehicles.*
2008: 6.24 million pedestrians, 2.18 million vehicles.
2009:** 4.67 million pedestrians, 1.63 million vehicles.
You see that there is a much lower number of pedestrians in 2009 and a significantly lower number of cars in 2009.
So, even for 2009, assume that every pedestrian comes here to spend $10. You are looking at a contribution into the El Paso economy of 46.7M per year. Assume that cars bring across 3-4 people, you are looking at about 8M more people. Multiplied by our infamous $10 bill. You are looking at another $80M per year. So, you may be getting as much as $120M a year from the Juarez people coming across to El Paso for purchasing things. This number is much higher if you take into account the holidays.
Just take a look at all the fast food places in the downtown. They are always packed with Mexican people. Take a look at all the stores downtown. Who do you all think buys from these stores? It's the Mexican people. Take a drive by all the WalMarts (Mesa, Cielo Vista, etc.), you'll see that Mexicans are contributing heavily to the El Paso economy. Check out a lot of the restaurants on weekends. You got it. Mexicans spending money.
Point being that El Paso is very much dependent on Juarez.
W/r to vacancies, it starts off with vacant apartments, followed by vacant stores, followed by unemployment, followed by crime, etc. These types of things happen across the USA all the time. How much are you willing to allow?

They might spend $10 but you also have to notice the 5-10 kids each they bring along to attend schools in El Paso - each one costing the taxpayers here $10,000 or more a year, and you have to look at the side trip they made to Thomason or some free health clinic, costing a few hundred. And notice the long lines for the manisfestos so they pay zero sales tax on those few $1 items they purchases. And those millions of vehicles driving with no liability insurance and polluting the air are not benefitting El Paso in any way at all.

Many of them aren't coming to shop at all but to work here illegally and take millions of untaxed dollars out of El Paso. Or they'll work here legally for minimum wage which is considered a great wage if you live in Juarez with it's ultra cheap cost of living and no property taxes.

Just move these little dive shops over to Juarez. El Paso is one of the most impoverished cities in the USA, and that has a lot to do with the open border with Juarez.

[PinkyandNoBrain]

Maybe I should be called PinkyandNoJoe.

Dude, you obviously have issues with mexican people. What is your background? Are you anglo?

W/r to all the money that EP spends on these people. Your economy will suffer heavily without the mexicans.

I strongly encourage you to close the borders. Deport them all. I'm alright with that. Your little town will be reduced to nothing. A big portion of your stores rely on mexicans making purchases to survive.

Your town is basically a big warehouse. Everything comes in through EP. This creates a crapload of jobs for you all. Go ahead and close the border. Fort Bliss alone won't support EP.

Pull your head out of the ground, please.

You sure have issues with mexicans. Your wife left you for a Mexican? What's the real issue?