Exactly! The APL would like to make it appear that they had all these horses to care for and need "Donations" and it worked for a while. NOT ALL OF US ARE IGNORANT IDIOTS. Guess Diane Silbaugh is still caring for those 20+ horses left on the Never Rest Ranch. Says alot doen't it. All Donations for the majority of these "Poor Staving Horses" should be mailed to Never Rest Ranch c/o Diane Silbaugh.I work for a VET that was at Diane's farm on sat. and was unaware that it was Diane's farm that was in question!! I sat in the truck while Diane was on the phone. I can assure you that there is much more to the story than any of the poster know. And NO the APL or HAPPY TRAILS have take any grain or hay to Diane's farm.
It is funny how when this story was first became public that there were "20" horses that were removed from the farm and now the total (and the truth)is that there were only four...
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#123 Jan 21, 2008
#124 Jan 21, 2008
So, what do you think happened? horses don't starve overnight and they don't partly bury them selves in shallow graves. Someone had to known what was going on. That person is quilty for not speaking up for help.
I used to board my horse and I know a boarding stable in winter is not exactly a high traffic area. But if horses were there in her or someone eleses care the owner of those horses would have been notified there was a problem. Not hide it.
#125 Jan 21, 2008
Clippity Clop - is your name Diane? It sure seems that you are the first one to shift the blame the APL for this. That sure sounds like a Diane thing to do. Hmmmm? If you know so much about the APL and all these rescue places then you would also know that records of Non-Profits are public. You can see what they take in and what they have spent it on. So what if they buy lunch for their employees/volunteers? They are allowed to use the money in ways they see fit for operating costs. Feeding employees that have been working hard on a case is an operating cost also it is a nice gesture. So what if they are asking for donations to take care of animals, no one is twisting your arm to give it to them. People who do give them donations give up the right to dictate what their gift is used for. It is the same as that ugly birthday sweater that you got and said thank you for but gave it away the very next day. The giver had no say in what you did with it after it left their hands.
Stop bashing the APL, it takes money to rehabilitate animals. Yes they are quarantined for 30 days sometimes more before they are adopted - so what? I know that I would not want to see a severly emaciated animal adopted into the care of someone who may not have the knowledge to rehab them. Is that not abuse?
It really sickens me that fellow horse owners are completly losing sight of the original problem: This Diane woman let 5 horses DIE on her watch. She was the first and foremost person responsible for their care. Why are we lynching everyone else and not the one who SO rightly deserves it?
#126 Jan 21, 2008
Who's to say what those horses died of? Partly buried horses were maybe buried at one time..maybe uncovered by other animals.. who's to say different? You weren't there, neither was I. Boarding Stables still have Farriers, Vets and feed deliveries in the winter months plus you didn't visit your horse as regularly in the winter months? Why not? Owners have the responsibility of checking on their horses, not leave it up to someone else. I don't board, I have my horses at home, feed & care for them daily, I know what's going on with them myself, I don't leave my responsibilities to anyone else. NO ONE CAN DO AS GOOD OF A JOB WITH SOMETHING YOU CARE ABOUT MORE THEN YOU CAN YOURSELF. I am a Full TIME horse lover, not one just when it is conveinent.
#127 Jan 21, 2008
APL can do what ever with the Donations after they are received, lunches and parties are ok, just another form of appreciation. WOW, I bet that will bring in more Donations for them! Wonder if they have a payroll too? IF so I bet they pay themselves well. LOL: WOW they do need their books checked! I bet if they buy themselves NEW vehicles it would just be a nice "gesture", a gift from all those Donations. The giver has no say, I bet that could change.. YES it takes money to rehabilitate animals BUT it also takes people that are knowledgable in the breed, not a puppy/kitty person that has a stuffed horsey at home. Diane let five horses in her care die - YES five horses died - What from? Do you know? NO, No one does for certain. No one know exactly when the five dies either, correct?
As for Bashing the APL, what are they the untouchables? Are we just suppose to accept their actions? Give Money, Keep your mouth shut, don't ask where the money goes, what it's being spent on, just accept what the APL puts on record, let them have their luches, parties and rewarding gifts... Sounds like I would be the idiot if I followed your advice.:)
#128 Jan 21, 2008
Where do I find the public records for the APL Donations? I would like to see how many lunches, parties, personal expenses were covered by the "Donations" for the animals? I bet it is something the Attorney Generals Office would be interested in reviewing. Hmmmm, that is an idea.
#129 Jan 21, 2008
Well they removed 4 plus the 5 that were dead at the farm. Does that mean she had 5 out of 25 dead or 5 of 20??
They have 6 dead at this point unless others have died.
I have had many horses. Over the years. and only 2 Die. Years apart. One from cancer. He was put down here.
And One mare had sever colic. A Large intestine torsion days After Foaling. SHE died at the hospital when we determined Most of her intestine would have to be removed. Even that was a Very Long shot that she would live.
SO to have 20 or 25% Dead in a short amount of time on a farm. Is HIGHLY unlikely.
If it was natural case. THat she could prove. Like swamp fever (rare)- west nile Strangles which is nasty but most dont die from it. etc.
I Doubt the courts would be prosecuting.
#130 Jan 21, 2008
Well it finally has come out. I have been watching your posts. You are either a Friend or a realative of Dianes. I figured as much.
#131 Jan 21, 2008
Apparently you won't get any truthful answers from the APL, they don't want to risk loosing their lunches, parties, gifts and possibly the payroll, not sure if the officers pay themselves yet but I BET THEY DO and WELL.
#132 Jan 21, 2008
I bet that $1000.00 Donation lined some pockets and didn't even make it to the horses.
#133 Jan 21, 2008
INSPECTOR GADGET...You better get a grip on reality or you are going to be "SICK" a lot!! Now that the slaughter houses have been closed you are going to see a lot of stories just like this one.
You want to hang Diane...What about the owners of those poor horses who dropped them off after the fair and never went back? I'm sorry but a periodic phone call doesn't feed the horses!!! The fair was over 5 months ago!! Since when is it okay for people to drop horses off, not pay their board for 5 months and expect others (Diane) to pay the bills for 9 or more horses that this owner left at the farm. THE OWNER OF THESE HORSES NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS!!
I was asked to donate blankets for these horses, which I don't have a problem with. The problem comes in when they asked me for 20 blankets!! They only have 4 horses that they are caring for...Why 20 blankets? If I am donating $$$ to the APL it better be used for the "starving" horses and not for lunch for the office!! Hay for the HORSES or lunch for the OFFICE? HMMMMM...I vote for lunch for the office...NOT!!!!
My guess with your post INSPECTOR GADGET that you have just cost the APL a lot of cash donations!!
#134 Jan 21, 2008
Listen! I never said I only visited on occasion in the winter. I know first hand that alot of other people don't visit in the winter. Whatch what your are writing! I am a dedicated horse person right beside you! I did selfcare boarding for four years and spent more time with my horse every day than anyone that boarded at the place I was. My horses (I have two now)are at home with me now and I am still just as dedicated to them and evenmore. There are people out there that own a horse just to say they own a horse. They also talk crap like they know everything about horses to hide the insecrity of talking to people who have more experience. Some of these people don't do a thing with them. I have seen many horses where the owner will only visit maybe once a month in the winter. They depend on the owner of the boarding stables to let them know if there is a problem. It is sad. The poor horse stays in a stall most of time and maybe gets out only when the stall is cleaned. No one to give the horse any attention until the weather breaks.
Someone was not doing there job. If there was a problem of these horses being sick then the vet surely would have come out alot sooner before they were skin and bones and dead. They don't get skinny overnight. Farriers well who knows? I know when the farrier came to where I boarded my horse he was there to do a job. Not walk through the joint and inspect all the horses. He has money to make. Same goes for the vet and and any feed delivery service. They are in to take of the horse they are there to see and out and off to the next stop. Until I hear perfectly good explaination of how this happend. There is no excuse! She is still guilty for her past years of neglect and fraud.
#135 Jan 21, 2008
I wonder if there was a "Release of Liability" done between this Diane and the owner(s) of the dead horses. From what I assume from TV some boarders took care of their own horses there, it wasn't left to the stable operator. Does not take away the fact that the horses died or what they died from but maybe it was the owner's responsibility to care for the horses with the understanding that the stable owner was not going to. Doesn't mean the stable owner has the excuse of turning her back. No one knows the real situation BUT I do feel that these horses were declining over months, which means they were neglected by their owners for months (think about that), IS Diane suppose to take the entire blame? Is she suppose to care and board their horses for nothing? Who pays in that case, she doesn't get Donations or Government funding. I am not going to condemn her unless the horse owners go down with her because in my opinion they all should stand on the same plate. PLUS the APL, Shame on you for milking this situation, really with the advertising that you are caring for more then 20+ horses, wouldn't the truth be the more Christian way? OR maybe the truth wouldn't get as many Donations..
#136 Jan 21, 2008
Is there an adoption fee once the APL adopts these horses out? What is the amount of the adoption fee? Are they actually "Horse Dealers"? If they adopt them for a adoption fee of 100's of dollars then I would venture to say the APL are nothing but scammers. This Diane should have called the authorities when the horses were abandoned by their owners, I would say if you don't visit your horse or pay your board for Months then the horse has been dumped. There should be jail time for that act as well. Why put another individual through what is actually your responsibility. I think boarders should be made to care daily for their own horses, purchase their own supplies, grain, hay and etc., if they were made to do that I bet not many would own the horse after one month of actually having the responsibility.
#137 Jan 21, 2008
I think Hay and Clipity Clop are the same people. Both trying to support their case against the apl. What did they do to you?. Come in and take one of your pets? Must be some reason you are so against them and for someone that starved 6 horses to death. I still Clipity clop is dianes sister or something.
There are different set ups to boarding horses. One is Full care. which means the person is Paid to care and provide for all of the horses needs. IN Ohio During the winter.
IF they donít have an indoor riding arena People can go a long time without visiting their horse. That IS what you Pay full care for.
MOST And I repeat MOST Boarding facilities ONLY offer full care. Due to the repeated neglect given by their owners. Some owners want to do some of the work. For a reduced monthly fee. SOME owners donít care if their horses stand in stalls full of excrement.
Their idea of care is mucking the stalls out every couple weeks.
As for abandoning. I would bet she has them all sign a boarding agreement. ALL standard agreements clearly state. As per allowed by law.
IF you donít pay your board. You Forfeit the owner ship of the horse. So the facility can place a lien on the animal and sell it off to recoup loses of non paying boarders.
Which means if the Boarder cant prove payment.(WHICH is why I tell people to pay with a check or get a receipt EVERY month when you pay your board.)
Forfeits the horse. Then they can sell it or whatever. IF for some reason. She had. 6 out of 20 people NOT paying their board.
A ratio which I doubt. Unless it was someone that owned 6 and then dumped them. Something that is going to happen more and more. Since there isnít a cheap way to get rid of horses.
She could have Legally put the horses Down. Preferably quickly instead of A long drown out starvation.
If she could prove that they didnít pay back board.. Thus was the new owner of the animal.
She could have Killed a horse that she owned. Instead of spending the money feeding it.
Rules for farm animals are different than domestic dogs and cats.
If abandonment was the case. They would not have Had any grounds to arrest her or charged her with animal cruelty if she would have put them down quick. A bullet in the head would have been much more humane than what she did to them. Waiting for them to Die of Natural causes (starving).
Seeing as she has other charges of animal neglect in the past. This isnít a first offence.
If they happend to be owned by someone else.
I am not going to cast blame on the owners
too much for not coming out to see their horses. If they werenít all hers.
You would think if your were charged once for something you would go out of your way to do everything in your power to avoid the same situation.
So if someone else was making Her look bad she would have taken steps to legally rectify the situation. Instead of let innocent animals starve over unpaid board.
#138 Jan 21, 2008
Her then boyfriend, now hubby? was a contractor in Irag-not in the military. He and the other contractors get the FIRST $100, 000.00 tax free. Apparently he and Diane were planning to "buy the farm" they were using to board horses. The horses bought the farm instead.
#139 Jan 21, 2008
Wait - hold on..... INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.
Diane has NOTHING to prove. She IS, technically, and legally, innocent. The State must prove thier case. And they often times push cases becuase they have no one better to look at, or they are lazy. Although, even I must admit, they do a good job once in a while. But remember....
under our constitution, she has nothing to prove. The state must prove it ALL..
#140 Jan 21, 2008
Oh yeah, its harder to surrender a horse than you think. Someone said it earlier..... You should always Lien a Horse under Ohio Law to protect yourself.
And, of course, I would always argue and advise that you should have a lease put down in writing. But most good "horse people" I know are very prideful of thier honesty - and jibe me all the time for making that suggestion. "If you can't trust the man and a handshake, you can't trust a signature." A favorite quote from a client of mine.
(of course, that's why he is my client - he never writes agreements up, and I have to prove them later) LOL
#141 Jan 21, 2008
don't know the answer, but happytrailsfarm.org
has just posted 1/16 a plea for donations to help these horses. Also I just got a copy of the Happy Trails winter 2007 newsletter which states they are going to waive the adoption fee of the horses they have on site to enable them to take in more....
#142 Jan 21, 2008
It is something when on here if you aren't on the side of hanging the person "Diane" then you must be her or tied to her in some way. Get over it people not everyone shares your views. As for Hay, she is a friend of mine and yes we share mostly the same views, as others on here share some of my views also. It is something how many of you are out to hang a person PRIOR to hearing all sides of a story. Like I have said in my PRIOR post, this is still America and she is innocent until proven guilty. The fact that she had a PRIOR conviction would give me more concern that just maybe there is more to the story - why would a person take the chance of being convicted again for the same thing? Doesn't make since. I am not convinced that she has a PRIOR conviction because I have not been able to locate anything on the internet to validate that statement. The article referred to a prior conviction but I have seen retractions done weeks later for errors as well, if someone can find this link on the PRIOR conviction of Diane Silbaugh then please post the link on here.
I and my family have had horses for over 40 years, I know the boarding system, actually Hay has a boarding stable, I can tell you that full care doesn't mean sending a check, at least not to most horse people it isn't that. There are owners that don't visit as they should but rarely do they go 5 or more months without a visit!
Apparently the horses that died and were underweight had issues, whether they be health, virus or starvation it is only a speculation on our part. REMEMBER : One is innocent until proven guilty. I feel the owners are the MOST responsible for the well being of their horse, if they can't check on the horse for MONTHS then they shouldn't own one! FULL CARE or NOT, they are first and foremost the OWNER! That being said, I never excluded Diane Silbaugh from responsibility, I just feel there should be blame put where it belongs, on ALL parties involved in the situations of these horses.
Everyone takes a turn at these horse's shameless care, it doesn't even stop at the Never Rest Ranch or the Owners, it continues on to the APL.
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