Ohio private clubs can't allow smoking

[Torque]

Curveball wrote:

I think outside camp fires should be banned. What if I am camping and the tent next to me starts a fire and that smoke blows over to my area? I don't want to smell that! I don't make fires and I don't think that I need to sit there and smell somebody else's fire!

It appears some agree with you, though I think you were being sarcastic, scary isn't it?: http://www.dnronline.com/news_details.php...

Some don't even want others to grill outdoors: http://www.rosenblog.com/2006/11/06/armenians...

I've got no sympathy for those who agree with bans on private property, because they are just setting things up for the next step.

[Torque]

Linda wrote:

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Should we care if Rite Aid has a marathon? Old porky can wobble, I mean run till its snout drops off and I will say so..........LOL

It appears someone's been running a marathon on rating posts they like/dislike, I'm not pointing fingers but I'm betting there's one porker typing away with Dorito residue flying off his fingers.

[Torque]

SmokerDude wrote:

<quoted text>lol. BIGMO ment to say, I missed the ice cream truck and had to run a long way to catch it. Saw the cigarette butt while bent over huffing and puffing after each block ran ?
If BIGMO is such a great citizen, wouldnt BIGMO picked up such unsightly cigarette butts and disposed of them properly ??? Since BIGMO was proably responsible for said butts being on the street/sidewalk in the first place.???

BIGMO should probably have some liposuction done.

[Sheri]

Torque wrote:

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Ibecause they are just setting things up for the next step.

like this one
ohn F. Banzhaf III is leading the charge to sue food companies for their customers’ choices. For Banzhaf and his trial-lawyer allies,“big food” is the next tobacco-style cash cow, ripe for the multi-billion-dollar picking.

Banzhaf has never met a lawsuit he didn’t like. A George Washington University law professor, Banzhaf brags that his signature class is nicknamed “Suing for Credit”(and, by some,“Sue the Bastards 101”). That’s clearly Banzhaf’s passion: his vanity license plate reads “SUE BAST.”

Banzhaf was one of the first trial lawyers to propose health-related litigation against tobacco companies. As executive director of Action on Smoking and Health (ASH), Banzhaf pays himself over $200,000 per year in salary and benefits. That’s in addition to his professor’s salary. While he claims he “won’t see a dime” from food lawsuits, he said the same about tobacco torts many years ago. ASH sells tobacco “lawsuit kits” for $25 each.

While he’s still collecting hefty checks from ASH, Banzhaf now receives more attention for his frivolous scheme to bleed restaurants dry. First attacking fast-food in July 2002, Banzhaf served as an adviser to a lawsuit filed by New York attorney Samuel Hirsch on behalf of Caesar Barber -- a morbidly obese man whose health suffered because of his poor diet and lack of exercise. Barber’s suit claimed McDonald’s was to blame because he ate too much.

After the Barber suit was laughed out of the court of public opinion, Hirsch and Banzhaf went back to the drawing board for their second multi-billion-dollar fishing expedition. This one used children as the bait. The trial judge dismissed the case, writing:“If a person knows or should know that eating copious orders of super-sized McDonald’s products is unhealthy and may result in weight gain, it is not the place of the law to protect them from their own excesses.”

Banzhaf has lost every obesity-related case he’s been involved in, but that hasn’t stopped him from falsely claiming “victory.” In order to mislead the public into thinking obesity lawsuits are sensible and mainstream, he’s bragged about several so-called “wins” in these cases. One of his self-proclaimed “victories”(over mislabeled ice cream containers in Florida) resulted in customers being offered two free desserts for every one they had purchased. In another case, brought against McDonald’s for not listing beef tallow as a French-fry ingredient, Banzhaf himself admitted that it wasn’t really an obesity suit:“Now, notice,” he told a 2003 food policy conference in Washington, DC,“This is not, first of all, an obesity case. I mean, this wasn't the problem. We couldn't prove that anybody got fat, or that anybody got sick.” His other obesity “victories” are just as flimsy.

Banzhaf threatens so many obesity-related lawsuits against food companies that it can be hard to keep track. In June 2003 he sent letters to six fast-food chains demanding that they display “warning” notices about the allegedly “addictive” nature of fatty foods. He even claimed that fast food “can act on the brain the same way as nicotine or heroin.” One month later, Banzhaf teamed up with the Center for Science in the Public Interest to warn six ice cream chains that lawsuits could result from their refusal to immediately “list the calorie (and, ideally, saturated fat) content of each item” on their menus and menu boards.

He even threatened to sue the Seattle School Board -- and individual school board members -- for making soft drinks available to teenagers in school. Banzhaf has also discussed going after milk producers because the famous “Got Milk?” ads don’t mention the benefits of skim milk. Just as cream rises to the top, John Banzhaf can always be counted on to sink as low as possible.
http://www.activistcash.com/biography.cfm...

[KAT]

Yup, a relatively few days of bad smog is the price I pay for having mountains about 30 miles to the east and the Pacific just a few miles west of me. Like I mentioned before, most of the smog is east of where I live because the ocean breeze blows it inland. I get to see dolphins swimming in the surf a few times a week on my way to work and I can get out of my driveway without ever having to worry about how the snow is going to affect my commute. Yup, I can tolerate the smog.

Torque wrote:

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Not to mention she lives in Los Angeles and I just bet the air is oh so clean there.

[KAT]

LOL! More like I was volunteering, studying, working, beach walking, out of town, reading (you should try it sometime), etc.

Linda wrote:

<quoted text> hmmm, I've heard of slow readers, typist, and learners. That might explain why it takes you some time to come back

[Cincy Steve]

KAT wrote:

Yup, a relatively few days of bad smog is the price I pay for having mountains about 30 miles to the east and the Pacific just a few miles west of me. Like I mentioned before, most of the smog is east of where I live because the ocean breeze blows it inland. I get to see dolphins swimming in the surf a few times a week on my way to work and I can get out of my driveway without ever having to worry about how the snow is going to affect my commute. Yup, I can tolerate the smog.
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Yep, sounds like paridise..
But you have to admit the San Andreas Fault is a negative..
When those plates move life is not so ideal..

[Cincy Steve]

Sorry 'paradise'.......

[Linda]

KAT wrote:

Yup, a relatively few days of bad smog is the price I pay for having mountains about 30 miles to the east and the Pacific just a few miles west of me. Like I mentioned before, most of the smog is east of where I live because the ocean breeze blows it inland. I get to see dolphins swimming in the surf a few times a week on my way to work and I can get out of my driveway without ever having to worry about how the snow is going to affect my commute. Yup, I can tolerate the smog.
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different strokes for different folks. I love the four seasons and adore snow, donuts are fun.

[Chomp]

Linda wrote:

<quoted text>different strokes for different folks. I love the four seasons and adore snow, donuts are fun.

We know (and can see) that you like the donuts and pop, and cheeseburgers, and french fries, and cigarettes.

[Linda]

Chomp wrote:

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We know (and can see) that you like the donuts and pop, and cheeseburgers, and french fries, and cigarettes.

now what does the four seasons and snow have to do with your nonsense...snow auto donuts. Thought I would spell it out for your weak mind

[Torque]

Chomp wrote:

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We know (and can see) that you like the donuts and pop, and cheeseburgers, and french fries, and cigarettes.

How many name changes you gonna do, you marathon eating lardass?

[Linda]

Chomp wrote:

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(and can see)

how silly goose

[BIGMO]

Sheri wrote:

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Just curious...did you actually run the marathon or did you run the 10K race? My husband has run in that event for 35 years and did so on Sunday. He ran the 26 mile event years ago, but most people run the short race. Which did you run in?

I ran the 26 mile marathon, not the half, but the whole...

[Linda]

Would an issue 5 lie make it null & void?
Carmona's provable lie that was used for issue 5
Is premature deaths the lie? What is premature deaths, how do they know and or prove a death was premature?Wouldn't each person who died have to had a known absolute death date know by Carmona and the state of Ohio and the person actually die before that Known date to be premature?

When people are born, are they assigned a death date supplied to Carmona and Ohio so it can be declared Overwhelming evidence that their death was premature or on target?

Now, isn't that just the most absurd lying claim since death dates are unknown by all human beings and the doctors who treat them! Carmona and Ohio's issue 5 claims to know the biggest mystery of life which is the date that life will end.

Carmona said....

Smoking bans have often been bitterly resisted by business owners worried about losing customers and by groups skeptical about the dangers posed by secondhand smoke. But Dr. Carmona today said that "overwhelming" evidence showed that secondhand smoke is responsible for "tens of thousands" of premature deaths from heart disease and cancer among nonsmokers each year.
"I am here to say the debate is over: the science is clear," Dr. Carmona said at a televised news conference this morning, at which he released a report updating the original surgeon general's study of secondhand smoke in 1986.
In the years since then, hundreds of studies have indicated that the harm caused by secondhand smoke is far greater than earlier believed, he said. The report's findings include the following:
* There is no safe level of secondhand smoke, and even brief exposure can cause harm, especially for people already suffering from heart or respiratory diseases.
* For nonsmoking adults, exposure raises the risk of heart disease by 25 to 30 percent and of cancer by 20 to 30 percent, and accounted for an estimated 46,000 premature deaths from heart disease and 3,000 premature deaths from cancer last year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/27/health/27cn...

Issue 5 scare tactic (lie)

Arguments for passage:
1. The U.S. Surgeon General has determined that second-hand smoke causes premature death and serious diseases in smokers and non-smokers alike, including the patrons and workers in businesses that permit indoor smoking.
2. Because of the relationship between smoking and ill health, curtailment of indoor smoking and second-hand smoke helps control health care costs.
3. Economic impact studies have shown that clean indoor air laws do not hurt businesses.
http://www.smartvoter.org/2006/11/07/oh/state...

[Sheri]

BIGMO wrote:

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I ran the 26 mile marathon, not the half, but the whole...

It is a noble accomplishment. As I said, my husband did it many years ago, and he trained long and hard. Despite our disagreement about the smoking issue, I congratulate you.

[Alan]

To all the pro-smoking ban people, chill the F out. Don't you know how disturbed babies get when you take away their sucker?

It is pointless to attempt to reason with an addict, they can't help themselves.

[Linda]

Alan wrote:

To all the pro-smoking ban people, chill the F out. Don't you know how disturbed babies get when you take away their sucker?
It is pointless to attempt to reason with an addict, they can't help themselves.

so how do smokers help you raving lunatics?

[Alan]

Linda wrote:

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so how do smokers help you raving lunatics?

Obeying the law would be a start.

I smoke cigars and other things mother nature provides upon occasion. I do not let my use of these things infringe upon others. That makes me a raving lunatic?

I'd say "raving lunatic" fits you more appropriately based on your endless posts to this issue. Go and light one up, your lack of nicotine is showing old girl.

My dad smoked like people breath air, one after another. It was sad to watch him puff one, put it out and automatically reach for another without stopping. It IS an addiction and your ire should be placed on the people who got you addicted in the first place. And yes he did die of an illness attributable to smoking, according the the Doctors.

[Linda]

Alan wrote:

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Obeying the law would be a start.
I smoke cigars and other things mother nature provides upon occasion. I do not let my use of these things infringe upon others. That makes me a raving lunatic?
I'd say "raving lunatic" fits you more appropriately based on your endless posts to this issue. Go and light one up, your lack of nicotine is showing old girl.
My dad smoked like people breath air, one after another. It was sad to watch him puff one, put it out and automatically reach for another without stopping. It IS an addiction and your ire should be placed on the people who got you addicted in the first place. And yes he did die of an illness attributable to smoking, according the the Doctors.

Thats fine for you, do it your way as you wish but, what others decide for themselves is really none of your business.

Unfair laws that are nothing but lies deserve to be broken, especially if it is one as stupid as the smoking ban that the business owner did not choose for their own private property. Get a life man!!!