Schools must get grip on campus disci...

Schools must get grip on campus discipline

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Kailua, HI

#23 Mar 18, 2008
ESW wrote:
All schools should have in school suspension according to Chap. 19 law. But when it get repetitive, it turns to out of school suspension. It is not fair for the school staff and in the case of elememtary schools, having clerks (getting paid like 10-12 bucks an hour) the duty of watching the kids while they do their jobs. If the state was serious,they would give every school a place to for inschool suspension, not someone's workspace. We had classes under the tree and 7 offices in one cottage. We make kids clean the campus, pick up rubbish, rocks, do exercises but you got to think about the 90% of the kids and not subject them to the thugs, thus out of school suspension.
Don't know if it makes a difference ot y'all on this Board but..........

St Louis High School Assembly today. Give anything to be a fly on the wall. But I guess I will have to wait for the news.

St Louis High School. In front of the entire Student Body. Finally the school did something.

Now what are the parents going to do?

Go after Jervis for "ramming" them?

After they apologize to an entire school for their unbefitting of a St Louis Gentleman behavior?

FInally they are being held accountable for the VIOLENT acts on people, people's property and terrorizing a community. At least at the school.

They should all be brought up on charges for anyone of those. Attempted assault or Property damage or terrorism. At least one should stick.

The school stepped up. Now the Prosecutor's office should either stick it to them or let Jervis off. Can't have one without the other.
puhleeze

Aiea, HI

#24 Mar 18, 2008
The kids sat in the audience and were not named. The School's principal read their "apology". No accountability, no lesson.

Since: Mar 08

San Diego, CA

#25 Mar 18, 2008
Good parents generally have good kids who don't do this stuff. However, it only takes a couple bad kids to make others act like f***ing morons.
96795east

Hilo, HI

#26 Mar 18, 2008
The National Guard Youth Challenge Program should be a subsidized program of the DOE. In school suspension could be monitored by them. The Program however works through positive Mentoring, something missing in the Kids life. The program does a 24/7 deal to cover each second of the rehabilitation process. Schools can do a referral process and the kid would probably have to move into their facility. DOE/Youth Correctional Facility?
96795east

Hilo, HI

#27 Mar 18, 2008
Fighting Kids already imply that they will not become academic/college material. The National Guard Youth Challenge Program uses Military trained personnel with Correction Officer skill qualifications who train to develop focus and morals in their "recruits". Can this be incorporated into an ROTC type program? The hard core can be put into a 24/7 schedule while the rest can matriculate into an academic routine. The 24/7 group will be a welcome relief to parents who'll admit, not being able to control their kid. Academically this group will become the roadwork construction hoptow crew in their later years so can be assigned to "Shopskills" classes at all the schools having repair shop facilities.
No Shame Dem

Kailua, HI

#28 Mar 19, 2008
puhleeze wrote:
The kids sat in the audience and were not named. The School's principal read their "apology". No accountability, no lesson.
Is the principle going to read the apology to the Jervis family too?

A St Louis Man: Someone that has their principle shake their willy for them after they pee too.

EVERY St Louis Alumn should be insulted at the botched actions taken by their alma mater.

THE ONES WHO COMMITED THE DEED(S) SHOULD HAVE READ IT THEMSELVES.
bumbye

Kailua, HI

#29 Mar 19, 2008
puhleeze wrote:
The kids sat in the audience and were not named. The School's principal read their "apology". No accountability, no lesson.
I heard some of the apology letter on the news. It didn't even sound like it was written by the kids. The language was too perfect. Each kid should've written their own letter, stood up in front of their peers, and read it. Geez.
On Line

Hilo, HI

#30 Mar 19, 2008
The Kids are an extension of their parents. The kid did not just get that $30,000 SUV on his own. The mindset of the parents must be examined. Did the parents think that at 17 their kid is world wise? Are the parents supervising in abstentia? Did their parents just give them car keys, dozen eggs and let em go?
Battle Axe Betch

Honolulu, HI

#31 May 26, 2008
Kids that have brawls on campus need to have their asses kicked in public. Actually bamboo caning is not a bad idea - on a bare butte!

Joe Balls

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#32 Jun 16, 2011
Some schools on the mainland are going to stop giving homework, and it's about time. I've always felt if you can't do it during normal hours, it must not be important enough to do in the first place. Would you like it if your boss sent your work home with you? Of course not.
Opinion

Waianae, HI

#33 Jun 16, 2011
You plant papaya, you get papaya. When the papaya falls off the tree, more papaya grow. It was like that before the farmer got here, and it will be that way after the farmer is gone.

The End.
Carole ann

Kihei, HI

#34 Jun 16, 2011
Joe Balls wrote:
Some schools on the mainland are going to stop giving homework, and it's about time. I've always felt if you can't do it during normal hours, it must not be important enough to do in the first place. Would you like it if your boss sent your work home with you? Of course not.
You are a prime example of the ignorance a uneducated person becomes. The educating of a child starts at home and continues at school. This is a 24/7 process and parents are just as reponsible as the teacher at school. Homework teaches the child priorities and readies them for the next day at school stupid. It also teaches them rules and regulations and is suppose to teach them descipline. Reading your many rediculous comments it is evident that you are the results of being raised by morons that showed you no giudance during your learning years. The ending results is YOU a very stupid uneducated idiot of a man.

Joe Balls

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#35 Jun 16, 2011
So Carole, give us an exanple of how homework helped you. Homework specifically, not some liberal school-teacher bullshyt.
Vector

Mount Pleasant, TX

#36 Jul 8, 2011
Most of the "modern educator" anti-bullying programs are doomed to fail.

An effective program would stress

>> That a student exert self control and remain calm when a would be bully starts verbal taunting and name calling.

>> Attempt to walk away from the situation if possible and leave the bully to his bravado in front of a smaller audience

>> If that is not possible and the bully initiates physical contact however slight, children especially boys, should be taught to react with full violent and instantaneous force and endeavor to break the bully's nose and drive him into the dirt. In the ensuing fight, the object of the bullying may well expect to sustain some injury, but that is the price of convincing a bully to seek targets elsewhere.

Because of our apathy we have allowed the politically correct to take a dominant position in these matters and they insist on making sissies of boys, even going so far as to encourage them NOT to strike back when physical contact is inflicted upon them by a bully.

It is time for our boys to find champions in our communities who will teach and encourge them to fight back when a bully tries to intimidate them. In days long gone this would have been the father, but thanks to the politically correct, fathers have been deemed expendable and so a great number of children are growing up in single parent (mom headed) households without the benefit of a father to teach them right from wrong and provide an example of what it is to be a man.

Joe Balls

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#37 Jul 8, 2011
Bring back my Principal. She had zero discipline problems because she had a wooden pointer that she would wield like a sword in the hands of a knight of King Arthur's court. None of this new-age psycho crap in her school, we sat with our hands folded and our mouths shut.
fur 17

Mililani, HI

#38 Jul 8, 2011
Joe Balls wrote:
Bring back my Principal. She had zero discipline problems because she had a wooden pointer that she would wield like a sword in the hands of a knight of King Arthur's court. None of this new-age psycho crap in her school, we sat with our hands folded and our mouths shut.
Back in 1966 a student at Kailua High School and his parent filed a complaint against paddling. With the help of the ACLU, they won the case. Then, the DOE adopted a procedure that allowed paddling only if a Principal or Vice Principal was present. Two years later, our dumb legislature adopted a bill that made paddling illegal. This law in essence gave the student an advantage over the administration. The student now took the position that you cannot lay a hand on me because that is the law. Discipline started to erode. Today, lack of discipline in our schools have affected classroom work. Teachers complain about disruptive students but most of the administrators in our schools do nothing.

Joe Balls

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#39 Jul 8, 2011
fur 17 wrote:
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Back in 1966 a student at Kailua High School and his parent filed a complaint against paddling. With the help of the ACLU, they won the case. Then, the DOE adopted a procedure that allowed paddling only if a Principal or Vice Principal was present. Two years later, our dumb legislature adopted a bill that made paddling illegal. This law in essence gave the student an advantage over the administration. The student now took the position that you cannot lay a hand on me because that is the law. Discipline started to erode. Today, lack of discipline in our schools have affected classroom work. Teachers complain about disruptive students but most of the administrators in our schools do nothing.
When I was in high school most of the teachers had a "Board of Education right next to their desk, and we would enjoy seeing our friends get their whacks. By some miracle, I was never paddled, but I was made to climb the rope in the gym and stay there for the whole period. I also spent some periods holding the teacher's pointer between the wall and my forehead.
fur 17

Mililani, HI

#40 Jul 8, 2011
Seems like Joe went to school during the time when paddling was in effect. Our P.E. teacher had a rubber hose and all referrals were sent to him. I heard two whacks administered in the shower room and I was convinced like everybody else.

Joe Balls

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#41 Jul 8, 2011
fur 17 wrote:
Seems like Joe went to school during the time when paddling was in effect. Our P.E. teacher had a rubber hose and all referrals were sent to him. I heard two whacks administered in the shower room and I was convinced like everybody else.
The worst I ever got was in seventh grade. The asst. principal, Mr' Keith clobbered me with the Yellow Pages, almost knocking me out. When I told my mother that afternoon, her response was, "Well, you should have known better than to mess with a war hero." Imagine if that happened today, there would be an army of pussified lawyers all over it.

Joe Balls

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#42 Jul 8, 2011
One time someone put sawdust in our shop teacher's tuna sandwich. He chased us all over the shop, swinging an extension cord over his head like a bolo. I think he suspected me, but I don't have a clue as to who really did it. That's how I ended up spending art class hanging on to the rope at the top of the gym. Ahhh, memories.

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