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Council poised to go off the rail - Hawaii Editorials

There are 81 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Jun 9, 2009, titled Council poised to go off the rail - Hawaii Editorials. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

Honolulu's City Council, which represents almost 900,000 people on Oahu, is about to make a major fiscal and political error.

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Plymouth, MI

#1 Jun 9, 2009
Spot on Panos.

Where is the Sierra Club now, they killed the Superferry due to a lack of EIS perhaps they can do the same with the choo choo to nowhere.
puzzled in honolulu

Honolulu, HI

#2 Jun 9, 2009
This must be a political payback to the mayor and council "friends" because it makes absolutely no sense to start a rail from Kapolei to Waipahu.
If they were thinking logically the rail should start from ala moana to the airport leg first where there would be some hope of decent ridership numbers. Who in their right mind would park their car in kapolei and ride a train to waipahu then bus it into town?

If this is the great "PLAN" lets just save the citizens of this state a few billion we cannot afford and kill this turkey now.
Haleiwa Dad

Boerne, TX

#3 Jun 9, 2009
Our Council appears swept off its feet by a kind of con-man induced sense of urgency. Like my elderly father who gets phone calls pitching some scheme, then urgent appeals that he must "send the money right away so you won't lose out," the Council somehow feels it must throw prudence and planning to the winds and proceed with a useless leg that we don't have enough money to build, and won't look at any other alternatives. Shall we disregard hundreds of local architects? Shall we make the Superferry failure-to-file environmental reports mistake again?

I can understand their frustration, and the sense that we have to "do something," but that is not what they were elected to do. I say let's at least re-think the rail's form and plan the most effective sequence of construction and type of access and equipment, with due diligence to anticipate economic, Fed subsidy, and likely transportation needs, with environmental reports unassailable by our notorious NIMBY's, before we bite the bullet.

Councilmen, listen up!

Plymouth, MI

#4 Jun 9, 2009
After giving this a bit of thought my only conclusion is they want to let out bids to local companies only (who have never built an elevated or non elevated rail system) becase once they secure federal funds (if they actually do) then they would need to open the bids to ALL US companies. Nice try at an end around with money you don't even have.

EIS first. Don't build something you might have to tear down later.
Keith Haugen


#5 Jun 9, 2009

If you want to know why the C&C Council would even consider such a move, just follow the money.

Find out who is getting rich from the sale of land, construction of the railroad to nowhere, construction and operation of businesses at terminals and adjacent properties, and you'll find out why.

Who has been promised what? And what is expected in return?

With family, friends and business associates all lined up to get rich, some politicians find it very difficult to follow the law, or the will of the people.

Why else would elected officials even consider going ahead without an EIS?

They must have learned something from the Ferry EIS experience. Or weren't they paying attention?

If this recession is a good time to spend hundreds of millions or billions of dollars on a make-work project, I'm sure there are many more projects available, including some that would benefit the masses instead of the chosen few.

Me ka pono,

Keith Haugen
Cub Reporter

Hilo, HI

#7 Jun 9, 2009
More of the same. Haven't we learned about government and its inefficient ways. There must be a way to stop this foolishness.
What Now

Honolulu, HI

#8 Jun 9, 2009
Uh Oh city workers. Looks like it's your turn for 3-day a month furloughs. Aren't you glad you voted for mufi's rail?

Have as much fun as I am going to have eating saimin for dinner for the next two years.

Honolulu, HI

#9 Jun 9, 2009
Dumb and Dumber. Must be something in the water when lolos don't learn from past mistakes like lingle's Superferry debacle. One issue alone can derail the final EIS for the rail -- the federal court judges.

As innoucuous as it sounds, they have valid concerns and can weild considerable influence. After 9-11, it doesn't take much of an immagination to see what some lolo with a suitcase bomb can do to the federal court house.
Funny and Sher

Honolulu, HI

#10 Jun 9, 2009
And the beat goes on........
And the beat goes on........
Drums keep beating to the rhythm of the dumb......
Ladadada dee....ladadada dumb.....
What Now

Honolulu, HI

#11 Jun 9, 2009
If Lingle gets away with her forced 3-day a month furlough for state workers, what's to stop other government leaders to pay for their pet projects with furloughs for their workers.

Are you listening City Workers?

Together we stand, divided we fall. You might be next.
Wake up

Kalaheo, HI

#12 Jun 9, 2009
One side of the story always seems right - until you hear the other side. I don't know the other story, but isn't this the guy who lost the election for mayor?? I hope this isn't just another sour grapes point of view.

San Diego, CA

#13 Jun 9, 2009
What Now wrote:
If Lingle gets away with her forced 3-day a month furlough for state workers, what's to stop other government leaders to pay for their pet projects with furloughs for their workers.
Are you listening City Workers?
Together we stand, divided we fall. You might be next.
Stand Strong HGEA!!! shut down the rail
Yellow Dog

United States

#14 Jun 9, 2009
Panos, You lost. Your Stop Rail Now ballot measure lost. Your arguments have been heard and rejected. You and your anti-rail propaganda are now just pathetic. Rail transit will be built and the public will be grateful.

New York, NY

#15 Jun 9, 2009
To Mufi et al.: do your homework and don't get superferried by a lack of effort, ok?

Kailua, HI

#16 Jun 9, 2009
The reason for no EIS is due to the fact that the report is not good. The council is about to receive a negative report that would de-rail the whole project. The mayor and his council buddies (Apo, Ogino,Tam and Garcia) all knows this and are afraid their money train will come to a halt. Where are the freaks from Maui and the Sierra club that killed the superferry? Why are these groups so quiet now?

Kaunakakai, HI

#17 Jun 9, 2009
Thanks Dr. Prevedouros, poor decisions seem to be the norm in our government, from city council to mayor to legislators to governor. We tax payers and our children are the loosers.

Kahului, HI

#19 Jun 9, 2009
rail is a disaster for hONOLULU

Mililani, HI

#20 Jun 9, 2009
It's a good thing that this guy wasn't elected mayor because you can tell from this piece he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. The council in no way is about to give authority to build rail without environmental approvals. It can't. And the city already has federal money and will soon be in line to receive more, because the city is working WITH the FTA in a process that Prevedouros obviously doesn't understand. Anybody who falls for his fallacies is a fool. The city and the majority of the council who DO understand know that rail is on track because it's been a wide open process for those who aren't as close-minded as Panos and his little gang.

Kahului, HI

#21 Jun 9, 2009
another mufi fiasco
Rubba Slippa Man


#22 Jun 9, 2009
Stop Rail Now!!!!!!!!

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